However - the 39% do seem to be immune to facts and incapable of critical thinking..
Down to 33% in the latest polls 538 has 37% and still dropping
Pence is preparing himself for a promotion, as are the real powers behind the reps- the donors Koch brothers etc
I enjoyed the irony on the twitter replies where people complained about biased media but all their facts were from the trump website.
Is not MSM fake news with a libcuck/libtard agenda so is therefore 100% truth!trump website
The facts speak for themselves, who can argue with "Won four out of four special election wins"?
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Well it appears I'm here in utah with the 33%, ignoring the 70 odd percent that think he is dishonest and dont believe what is coming from the white house.
Then there were the attack adds on 2 gop guys going for Congress for not being conservative enough as they had voted for a tax rise and suggested being bipartisan would be a good thing.
That was after the line in a presentation today that people leaving an ED without being seen and going to another one was lost revenue.
Get the feeling things won't end well.
ED?
The whole point of democracy is that society has to work for a majority, otherwise people start voting for an alternative. That right-wing billionaires have to spend a fortune funding various lobby groups is a measure of just how divided and divisive our economic system has become.
That said, Trump is undeniably an idiot but a useful one. I'm equally bothered about Pence becoming president once the shitstorm has subsided.
'Strengthening relations with the UK'
But, err, won't come here because the natives might be mean to him...
A lot of bullshit in that list...
From list of 'achievements':
"Cut wasteful staffing requirements in government saving millions"
Is that what they call 'being unable to hold onto a communications secretary'? 😀
'Ending tax payer funding for abortion'
Yay... 🙄
ED?
"Emergency Department" I'm guessing.
is that what they call 'being unable to hold onto[s] a communications secretary'[/s] anyone?
Pretty much
How do you 'make' energy?
He appears to have confused 'planet' with 'job' on the 7th from the top
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Edit: double post
At the moment this is a worry...
Today: On Tuesday, media reports in the US claimed the North had achieved its goal of making a nuclear warhead small enough to fit inside its missiles.
31st July: Russian deputy foreign minister Sergey Ryabkov played down concerns about North Korea’s nuclear capability after the secret state launched an intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) on Friday.
Mr Ryabkov said: “I think we are years and years away from a moment they can weaponise.
Does anyone really have a finger on the pulse, not the button?
Been away for a while. Has Trump still not been Impeached then? I thought all you pundits reckoned he would be gone by now.
That's the measure of success these days: not impeached yet 😆
Has Trump still not been Impeached then?
He's trying his best but, amongst a great many other things, failing at that too.
its only been 8 months ninfan!
the earliest was probably a year
when does Muellers investigation report back?
Surely, if he has his finger over the big red button, someone has to step in an forcibly remove him. The generals cannot be so blindly loyal to a madman, even the most war hungry.
Realistically North Korea isn't a threat to the US in any way shape or form. Big deal, they could hit Guam. But the big orange buffoon clearly knows this is a diversionary tactic. Stir up enough anti-NK rhetoric and he looks like the hero and saviour.
But the generals etc around must realise it's madness. However if they were to remove him from power, the whole house of cards collapses in the US 😐
That's the measure of success these days: not impeached yet
Well, if you really wanted we could talk about how ISIS are getting along at the moment, but, you know 😉
With all this talk of impeachment, difficult to believe though it may be, what comes after could actually be worse 😯
[url= https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/07/trump-out-in-year-usa-problems-just-beginning-paul-mason ]Mike Pence[/url]
Stir up enough anti-NK rhetoric and he looks like the hero and saviour.
Trumps approval has sunk to new lows, hes now losing support in his base, he promised that NK would never reach get this tech.
now his paper thin orange skin has been prickled he knows is looking more foolish by the day.
russia (military supplies), singapore (where Kim gets his luxuries) the middle east (NK workers send 1/2bn a yr home from them) & especially china (laundered $2bn for NK & supplied his military) flouting the sanctions for years.
Assuming war is not the answer
Sanctions didnt work with Iran, it has to be dialogue?
Is Trump smart smart enough to see that?
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Is Trump smart smart enough to see that?
He's not smart enough to use scissors without adult supervision
They've given him the garage door opener so no chance of him pressing the red button.
Sanctions did work with Iran. That's why they eventually came back to the negotiating table and signed the nuclear deal. The sanctions against Iran were far tougher than the sanctions against North Korea.
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Sanctions did work with Iran.
yes youre right, have to be enforced though
that means russia, china etc have to play nice
All this calling Trump stupid, remember he got in the Whitehouse and is Mr President. Do not underestimate him or those around him, just because it all looks dysfunctional (and it may be) plays into your own view of him and what those who surround him want you to think. Mean while there is lot going on While we are distracted by the headlines.
It all looks a bit George Bush Jr to me and he served two terms. Get a war started and you are in for the next term as the US never dumps the commander in chief while at war (mostly). I'm not supporter of Trump but what concerns me are those that are behind him and the Republican Party who can't wait to take over from him. Koch brothers anyone?
Most people are doubting trump's intelligence purely due to what he's said and what he's done. That seems like a fair way to judge someone.
Get a war started and you are in for the next term as the US never dumps the commander in chief while at war (mostly)
Only issue with trump starting a war, its most likely going to be nuclear and pretty certain that the POTUS let alone the US would be around in 4 years time if that happened. He's already said hes not scared of pressing that big red button. Is he maniacal enough to preemptively launch a nuclear attack on NK?
Being stupid - which he clearly is - is probably the least worrying of his character flaws.
Its a selection of his other ones that are going to lead us all down the road to nuclear Armageddon
Nah, if he did/does make a pre-emptive strike I think it would be with conventional weapons. Good ol' shock and awe.
Pubic hearings in September
also
Im willing to bet Trump is going to be playing on his 'supide' persona when he denies all knowledge of his campaign getting help from Putin
Most people are doubting trump's intelligence purely due to what he's said [u]and what he's done[/u].
Given that 'what he's done' includes getting elected to the presidency of the United States of USA, despite the entire system and being stacked against him (and being, like, [b]so[/b] unpopular with the electorate), then doesn't that mean that he's at least as intelligent as Obama?
doesn't that mean he's at least as intelligent as Obama?
1/10 for effort. The trolling round here is really poor these days.
Look at the test results of their KN-17 missile over the last year, 1 success out of 4 failures. Means that they're doing something right. I'm also guessing that the rate at which they improve their technology increases over time, so how long before the likes of the KN-08 become workable missiles?
Scary, theoretically India and Australie are already in range. Ok they may not be nuclear warheads, but who knows what else he may have at his disposal?
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Given that 'what he's done' includes getting elected to the presidency of the United States of USA, despite the entire system and being stacked against him (and being, like, so unpopular with the electorate), then doesn't that mean that he's at least as intelligent as Obama?
i think 2016 will be looked back on by historians as peak stupid.
Given that 'what he's done' includes getting elected to the presidency of the United States of USA,
with a little bit of help, da?
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with a little bit of help
So, even if it [u]was[/u] true, using 'help' in order to become POTUS (as opposed to, well, not being POTUS) is somehow 'stupid' is it?
What are your other definitions of stupid? If being a billionaire, owning a skyscraper, your own jet and marrying a sports illustrated model is 'stupid' then all I can say is bring it on!
You're trapped in a the cath 22 of your own argument - if he was 'stupid' then he wouldn't have had the desire or ability to manipulate the system and told (stupid?) people what they wanted to hear in order to get elected.
then doesn't that mean that he's at least as intelligent as Obama?
wow, you really are chekw, aren't you?
What are your other definitions of stupid? If being a billionaire, owning a skyscraper, your own jet and marrying a sports illustrated model is 'stupid' then all I can say is bring it on!
I don't think being born into money is a definition of intelligence though, is it?
EDIT - although thinking it is might be a definition of stupidity
Ninfan - you do remember that he was given a bucketful of money by his dad - and if he had left it in the bank he would have more money now than he does. His business has not returned as much as basic bank interest rates would do
How are you anyway old chap - refreshed?
I don't think being born into money is a definition of intelligence though, is it?
So either he's an (evil) genius who used his money to manipulate his way to being the most powerful man on the planet... which means he can't be stupid, or he's stupid, which means he wouldn't have been able to manipulate the system enough to win the presidency (given that Hillary failed to do so despite spending far more money)
You're stuck in the catch 22 of your own argument.
How are you anyway old chap - refreshed?
Thanks for asking, been mental few weeks to have a 'break' between daughter and the Welsh consultation (off topic there, but you will see the results soon, I'm sure)
Do you think he was the mastermind behind the manipulation?
Do you think he was the mastermind behind the manipulation?
Do you think it matters, if he successfully used it to his advantage in order to become POTUS then he can't be stupid (or crazy) can he?
You know who's great, Sooty, he's smart and he's on TV and he can do magic. All by himself....
Ninfan - you got a PM
So maybe you can explain how being born into money is a sign of intelligence?
Does ninfan get sent a folder too?
https://news.vice.com/story/trump-folder-positive-news-white-house?
His tactic of trying to end the world to avoid the results of the Russia investigation is genius.
Just been looking at his twitter feed again.
In the last day, 9 out of his 17 most recent tweets have been direct retweets of "Fox & Friends".
Does he actually watch anything else? At least he has plenty of time to watch TV on that 17 day vacation that he isn't taking. Between the rounds of golf that he isn't playing obviously.
And great to see him boasting about America's nuclear capability:
[i]"My first order as President was to renovate and modernize our nuclear arsenal. It is now far stronger and more powerful than ever before....
.......Hopefully we will never have to use this power, but there will never be a time that we are not the most powerful nation in the world!"[/i]
-- https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/895252459152711680
Seeing as he didn't even know he had to send people to the DOE after his win I'm not sure how he's managed to renovate anything.
So maybe you can explain how being born into money is a sign of intelligence?
Straw man
Using that money to buy a skyscraper, a plane, and marry a sports illustrated model, become a TV star and then propel yourself into the role of president of the USA despite everyone writing you off as a joke candidate and having, quite literally, less than 2% chance of winning clearly is though 😀
It's often not the having money that proves your intelligence, but what you go on to do with it - compare Bill Gates, Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak for example.
Makes perfect sense that some-one who worships Trump and welcomes him as his orangey overlord thinks he's smart.
Which one of the three of us woke up in bed next to a model this morning? most likely before having breakfast cooked by his personal chef, then being flown to the golf course in a helicopter.
According to you it [u]wasn't[/u] the smart one 😆
What are your other definitions of stupid? If being a billionaire, owning a skyscraper, your own jet and marrying a sports illustrated model is 'stupid' then all I can say is bring it on!
All you've listed is being rich.
He was born rich.
Any money he's made he has done so by being a ****.
You don't have to be clever to be a ****.
Any money he's made he has done so by being a *.
You don't have to be clever to be a *.
How many people have successfully become US president despite being all the below:
i) Stupid
ii) Unpopular
iii) Crazy
iv) Dishonest
V) Any colour other than white
Fake tan is not a new ethnicity.
I'm off to the pub.
Feel free to put whatever solvents you're inhaling down and join me. 🙂
Haha
Which one of the three of us woke up in bed next to a model this morning?
Ninfan is fixated on this
I woke up this morning next to a woman who actually loves me though, shes a hottie too, so I win !
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So maybe you can explain how being born into money is a sign of intelligence?Straw man
That'll be no then? Still, at least you're having fun listing the things Trumpy's been spending Daddy's money on. How about freshening it up a bit? You can always add Trump Shuttle, Trump University, Trump Taj Mahal to your list.
How many people have successfully become US president despite being all the below:i) Stupid
ii) Unpopular
iii) Crazy
iv) Dishonest
V) Any colour other than white
Some might say a significant number, after all, Obama became president despite being a colour other than white, not very popular among a significant proportion of the population, Tricky Dicky became president while being pretty much all of the above, except the last...
How many people have successfully become US president despite being all the below:i) Stupid
ii) Unpopular
iii) Crazy
iv) Dishonest
V) Any colour other than white
You could justifiably argue Trump is every one of those things.
you sure she is not with you JUST for your money 😉I woke up this morning next to a woman who actually loves me though, shes a hottie too, so I win !
There is no way she is with Trump if he is poor. IMHO. Personally I would not want to wake up next to someone like that however appealing to the eye they may or may not be
YMMV
You could justifiably argue Trump is every one of those things.
I think that was ninfan's point: Trump can't be stupid and crazy because he managed to become president despite being stupid and crazy.
What was that catch again Yossarian?
Have I missed something? Has someone found the key to the Troll Box,and let them out again? Ah,bless,it's all they know.
To be honest Closing Time seems a more appropriate book title to sum up Trump.
Trump is just another pawn. Some very clever people got a stupid rich man elected by manipulating stupid poor people to think he was somehow on their side.
Trump is just another pawn. Some very clever people got a stupid rich man elected by manipulating stupid poor people to think he was somehow on their side.
Which would have been so very different from another Clinton winning, of course...
Of course, on the subject of truth, lying and misleading the American public, what do we have as an example!
Carl Sagan, 1996:
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Which would have been so very different from another Clinton winning, of course...
In some respects I agree, trump won because Clinton was such a poor opposition.
But are you genuinely suggesting that trump is demonstrating himself to be rational, balanced and competent?
Or just trolling.
Donald Trump’s flagship hotel in the nation’s capital has received more than $270,000 in payments from a lobbying firm tried to Saudi Arabia, as the country seeks to overturn a US anti-terrorism law.
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Seeing as he didn't even know he had to send people to the DOE after his win I'm not sure how he's managed to renovate anything.
Not to mention that "renovating" a nuclear program isn't entirely a 6 month job, no matter how much resource you throw at it. Most large scale defense programs take 3, 5, 10 or even 20 years to complete, especially ones involving nuclear weapons......
always this though if we were all right wing he would be a lefty he does not care he just wants a reaction and he does not believe much of what he posts and he is not that dumb either.Or just trolling
Shame really as he does, unlike chewkw, actually bring something to the table when he, increasingly rarely, tries to debate like a grown up
Nah, if he did/does make a pre-emptive strike I think it would be with conventional weapons. Good ol' shock and awe.
Get with it - 'Shock and awe' is now "fire and fury". Very definitely unconventional weapons, more the realm of wizardry and pyromancy. He's going to conjurer up Napalm Honey Badgers.
Come on then junky - let's debate then. There's no debate here, it's just people calling Trump stupid because they don't like him, and it makes them feel better
"Trump is stupid"
Ok, how exactly?
"Well, because he says stupid things"
But didn't saying stupid things get him elected president?
"Well yeah, but he manipulated millions of stupid people to vote for him"
Ok, so how exactly is it stupid to manipulate millions of people to vote for you by saying stupid things? Surely doing that is the opposite of stupid, in fact it's really quite clever.
"Yeah, but he's really unpopular, because he's stupid"
Right, so is successfully getting elected *despite* being really unpopular, something that a stupid person could achieve, or something that is so ridiculously impossible that only a genius could pull it off?
"Yeah, but, he inherited his money"
But there's plenty of other rich people who are really smart and didn't become president, plus he still got elected, despite being really unpopular, and spending less than his opponent, how is that something a stupid person could achieve, and if it was, how come a clever person didn't figure out a way to do it?
"Yeah, well, Trump is stupid"
How exactly?
Who got him elected ?
Trump's not the smart one
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So, ninfan. How would you describe trump.
not added to this thread, and wont be reading it. so i hope nobody as said what i am thinking now.
JFK was a good man, a fair man or so we are told. he was murdered.
i think Trump could end up going the same way, killed by the same organisation.
Come on then junky - let's debate then. There's no debate here, it's just people calling Trump stupid because they don't like him, and it makes them feel better"Trump is stupid"
Ok, how exactly?
"Well, because he says stupid things"
But didn't saying stupid things get him elected president?
"Well yeah, but he manipulated millions of stupid people to vote for him"
Ok, so how exactly is it stupid to manipulate millions of people to vote for you by saying stupid things? Surely doing that is the opposite of stupid, in fact it's really quite clever.
"Yeah, but he's really unpopular, because he's stupid"
Right, so is successfully getting elected *despite* being really unpopular, something that a stupid person could achieve, or something that is so ridiculously impossible that only a genius could pull it off?
"Yeah, but, he inherited his money"
But there's plenty of other rich people who are really smart and didn't become president, plus he still got elected, despite being really unpopular, and spending less than his opponent, how is that something a stupid person could achieve, and if it was, how come a clever person didn't figure out a way to do it?
"Yeah, well, Trump is stupid"
How exactly?
Trump lacks vision, the only way to secure the future of humanity is to forge alliances, so we all work together and not burn bridges. History teaches this, the EU has taught us this.
How many threats of war have been sabre rattled since WWII within Europe?
How can I go over to Germany and drink beer without getting killed after World War 2? Because we've all realised and leaned from past mistakes, and we don't hold an entire nation accountable forever more because of one rogue government.
The Boris Johnson defence ninfan?
It is [i]possible[/i] that Trump is a genius manipulator that is incredibly articulate, but he fakes having the vocabulary limit of an eight year old to make him seem more relatable to the electorate.
It is [i]possible[/i] that his every move is carefully considered like a chess grand master and that appearing to be knee-jerk responses to whatever Fox & Friends report is all part of the plan.
It is [i]possible[/i] that he is a master orchestrator and appearing to have an administration in a shambles is a cunning ruse.
It is [i]possible[/i] that he is incredibly mature and sober and just fakes the vain thin skinned manbaby Twitter rants and playground insults to win over voters.
But I don't think so.