[Closed] define being racsist or telling like it is

Homewheat? I'd love one, kettle's on......

Racist.

i would say it is telling it like it is.
some soft lefty will be along soon to tell you it is racist tho............. 😀

Ooh no too many sweet things today, I'll have an apple instead thanks iDave.

By and large, it is in fact the British workers who are crap, they just blame the immigrants for their own failings....

Think I might have a milky horlicks....

Carrot and hummus for me please. Maybe a stick of celery.

Bloody immigrants. Coming over here doing work they're not qualified for.

I find my industry has people pretending to have the relevant skills to do the job but ethnic origin has nothing to do with it

Racist.

You are generalising about an entire group of people based upon a limited sample size.

A few % of any race are lying s. That doesn't make them all lying s.

As a bloody foreigner I have to agree with something, that's for sure.

By and large, it is in fact the British workers who are crap, they just blame the immigrants for their own failings....

Trying to counteract one generalisation with another. How original.

By and large, it is in fact the British workers who are crap, they just blame the immigrants for their own failings.

Funny that so far I've seen so many Fxxk ups with migrant builders and constant hold ups
with there workmanship is behind belief
Dodgy electrics Dodgy Gas fitters, terrible carpenters constantly poncing for tools and
trying to steal tools when you go for lunch.

Ive even found them living in peoples houses while they tell the clients to move out
whilst work is carried out, more than 5 times

The first wave where good, what you have now is shit below shit
And the first wave hate whats here now too.

By and large, it is in fact the British workers who are crap, they just blame the immigrants for their own failings

This.

I work in a large multi-national IT company, and from my experiences the programmers that come over to my project from India are far more skilled than their EU equivalent.

By and large, it is in fact the British workers who are crap

Racist 😉

I like threads like this. Always weeds out the latents.

Racist IMO... There's good immigrant workers and bad immigrant workers. The problem is the recruitment practices that put inappropriate workers into jobs- and that's just as much a problem if they're british.

Friend of mine works in a factory with lots of immigrant employees. Largely hard workers but they've had major safety issues because a lot of them don't speak good english and so don't understand machine instructions etc. But do you blame the eastern europeans, or do you blame the british person that employed them?

If you think you're "just telling it like it is", or "just calling a spade a spade", then it's pretty likely that you're actually a racist.

More thick than racist. Which is where most racist attitudes come from.

I'm with miketually - both comments are disparaging generalisations based on race or ethnic and origin and are therefore technically racist.

Frankly, I couldn't give a monkeys either way.

Its right tho, I know a polish girl, works on reception at a health centre, and I [i]know[/i] thats not the job she's trained for- cos she's a doctor.

miketually.............i was thinking that too.

To OP

Not racist per se assuming that you only refer to specific examples in your experience.

Employers may be able to pay migrant workers less and may capitalise on that without worrying about the quality of their work. If you've seen that happen then it's a fair point to make.

Would become racist if you suggested it was the fault of the workers or that some general rule about poorly skilled migrants could be drawn from it.

Thats my 2 cents

Rash generalisations are bad, mmmkay?

Sad lol @ sleepy... Hope not true 🙁

The problem is everyone now has their own take or verdict on the word RACISM, its always been there, and always will be in certain sections of society.

Not everyone is going to like everyone else,but using a name to brand this dislike of another person, is so easy, and telling someone theyre a racist is also so easy, theres good workers in all grous and some bad workers in all groups, without going down to the level of where they originate from.

Funny that so far I've so many Fxxk ups with migrant builders and constant hold ups
with there workmanship is behind belief
Dodgy electrics Dodgy Gas fitters, terrible carpenters constantly poncing for tools and
trying to steal tools when you go for lunch.

Ive even found them living in peoples houses while they tell the clients to move out
whilst work is carried out, more than 5 times

The first wave where good what you have now is shit below shit

Why are they living in the properties? Cos rents are too high in London. If they're nicking tools, then get proof and have 'em nicked. Don't just moan about it.

Trying to counteract one generalisation with another. How original.

In my experience, it's overwhelmingly British workers who do the worst jobs. This is borne out through decades of observation, and is as objective as possible. Of all the people I've worked with, it's bin the foreigners who've bin the most conscientious. Praps this is cos they have a lot more riding on the need to work hard and get money. Here in the East End, whilst [b]some[/b] Whites moan about 'immigrants taking over', the truth is it's bin the immigrants which have shaped this area the most, in terms of culture and economy. From the Jewish immigrants from Eastern Yerp, the Chinese, West Indians, Africans, Indians and Bangladeshis, all have made their mark. In my experience, the laziest and most demanding of their 'entitlements' in this area have bin almost exclusively White British folk. Who blame the 'immigrants' for all the problems...

What really gets on my nerves is all these highly qualified foreigners who then come and steal our low paid jobs because we won't except their qualifications from the University of fuzzy wuzzy etc etc. I mean, a MD delivering your post and a University lecturer cleaning the office for minimum wage - all doing a really thorough and diligent job! Even being polite and turning up on time. Utterly disgraceful, how on earth are bone idle English lads ever going to compete with that!

My mate says if you want an IT / computing issue solved quickly, cheaply and well then you go to India. And he's very much in a position to know.

Just an observation.

we live in a multi cultural world these days, there's good people and bad people, that's it really.

Hahaha, we are most of us immigrants or decended from immigrants, if they work hard and have the right attitude and they are also trust worthy, they are more than welcome to share these lands as far as I'm concerned, regardless of colour creed or beliefs ❗

If it wasn't for the immigrants who have the right attitude towards working, how much less would get done these days ❓

Ive even found them living in peoples houses while they tell the clients to move out
whilst work is carried out, more than 5 times

The first wave where good what you have now is shit below shit

it's overwhelmingly British workers who do the worst jobs.

Racist.

the University of fuzzy wuzzy

😆

I shoon't laugh. I really shoodunt....

True though. I worked with a Polish guy; really intelligent, thoughtful and creative. A trained and qualified Biologist working as a bike shop mechanic (nothing wrong with that) because his qualifications aren't 'recognised' by snobby insular stuck up employers here. Getting stick from some ignorant, arrogant thick knobend from Surrey who thought himself superior cos daddy was mates with the shop owners and had got him a job there.

Fair play to anyone who comes to work here, I say. Send 'em over! 😀

I was a ****ing terrorist, IRA scum etc. Which of course must have been the truth, spoken by the educated working men of Stoke - despite my mate being blown up into an unrecognizable pile, and my dad's business being bombed 6 times, death threats etc. But those solid English chaps must have been right because I had a funny accent so I must be just like all of the PIRA and I was in [i]their[/i] city, shagging [i]their[/i] women, stealing [i]their[/i] work.....

They weren't racist*, they were thick as shit.

*they were really

Why are they living in the properties? Cos rents are too high in London. If they're nicking tools, then get proof and have 'em nicked. Don't just moan about it

Pretty simple the organiser puts them up in peoples home so they don't pay rent.
I have to pay a Mortgage like you have to pay rent, Cant afford it don't live there
didn't ask them to come here so why should i subsidise them !

Regarding tools can't say what I've done but on site there is a code of conduct
which i deal with my way.

we live in a multi cultural world these days, there's good people and bad people, that's it really.

In my experience, it's overwhelmingly British workers who do the worst jobs

How do you tell they are British? Colour of there skin? Passport? Accent? Not that simple is it? Perhaps your experience is related to the area you live in? Or maybe its because the sample size of natives is usually larger than that of immigrants? Even in the east-end, born and bred probably out number immigrants and I would not be surprised if whites (if your thinking white = British) where still the largest or second largest group over east London, and if you have a hint of prejudice you will always notice these things more. Or maybe its because of the people who did good work for you came from recommendation, and the recommendation came from say a Sikh friend (for example) who is far more likely to recommend someone from their own community. Even if your brain is not tricking your memory due to your own prejudiced, more exposure dose not necessarily mean there is a correlation.

Personally I've experienced chances whom are born and bred in the UK and those who are not, no strong correlation IME, but again that's just my opinion, made from living in several parts of London from east to west and several other parts of the south of the uk. Opinions on subject like this tend to be biased in way we don't like to admit, or don't even realise, and with so many factors forming a true judgement is tough.

Read the T-shirt.
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forigner or immergrant

Prejudiced, possibly xenophobic, but not racist. Definitely poor at spelling.

How do you tell they are British?

By their [i]nationality[/i]. Make of that what you chose.

if your thinking white = British

I diddunt say that anywhere.

say a Sikh friend (for example) who is far more likely to recommend someone from their own community

And you criticise [i]me[/i] for 'generalising'? 😕

Anyway's up. Bloody immigrants, eh? Tsk....

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And I bet these 'immigrants' can't even write the Queen's English and spell and use grammatically correct sentences right OP?

OP, don't let this colour your view of immigrant workers. I work with many people of all backgrounds who don't have the skill for the job they're in. In all honesty I've not seen any less skill or ability from foreign workers, and quite possibly the opposite.

Google 'Peter principle'. I know it's not quite relevant to what you describe but is along a similar theme.

The OP has jumped to a few conclusions based on his own experiences. He sounds misguided, rather than racist, although this lack of objectivity and failure to think critically is fertile ground for a bit of propaganda.

Fair play to the OP for actually having doubts about what he thinks and posting it on here IMO.
Personally I think both competence and incompetence are colourblind

In my experience, it's overwhelmingly British workers who do the worst jobs. This is borne out through decades of observation, and is as objective as possible. Of all the people I've worked with, it's bin the foreigners who've bin the most conscientious. Praps this is cos they have a lot more riding on the need to work hard and get money. Here in the East End, whilst some Whites moan about 'immigrants taking over', the truth is it's bin the immigrants which have shaped this area the most, in terms of culture and economy. From the Jewish immigrants from Eastern Yerp, the Chinese, West Indians, Africans, Indians and Bangladeshis, all have made their mark. In my experience, the laziest and most demanding of their 'entitlements' in this area have bin almost exclusively White British folk. Who blame the 'immigrants' for all the problems...

One observation you have perhaps missed is that some of these foreigners are better at spelling in English than yourself? 😉

Whaaat? 🙂

British, in't I? = Rubbish. 😀

Oh and I din't mean to imply that British workers are inherently crap, just that [i]in my experience[/i], the laziest, crappest skivingest most workshy shysters have bin overwhelmingly [i]British[/i].

I once worked for a Croatian who was forever correcting me on grammar and spelling. I wouldn't have minded but she was right 99% of the time.

They've got the best song though.

By their nationality. Make of that what you chose.

I diddunt say that anywhere.

And you criticise me for 'generalising'?

I think you may have misunderstood the point of the example. I'm not generalising, I'm using a possible example mechanism which, along with the other points I raised can give skew your results. I'm asking you to question your conclusion. There are so many ways in which your experiences can be biased that your conclusions are very hard to put any credence to. I then pointed out that I had different experiences to again prove the point. Things are not as simple as you paint.

I know, I do tend to gloss over things somewhat....

No problem with anyone coming to the UK to work.
But immigrants coming to the UK to exploit our relatively generous benefit system with little or no intention of working-that I take issue with.Our benefit and health care systems are under enough pressure supporting the large numbers who don't, wont or can't work already.
Is that racist?

No, just ignorant.

By and large, it is in fact the British workers who are crap, they just blame the immigrants for their own failings....

This certainly applies to certain British workers. I know of a tall pony tailed lad who is working in the Liverpool area. He is terrible at his job, but will they replace him with a more skilled foreign worker? It doesn't seem so.
Strangely, one of his colleagues has strong views on foreign workers and he's an immigrant himself (you couldn't make it up), but thankfully his guvnor has turned a blind eye to this as he's apparently pretty good at his job.

Elf-Ignorant in what way?
Of the overall positive economic and cultural impacts of migration in relation to the small number of "benefit migrants" I refer to?

Cummon elf, anser the kwestion ffs.

Elfinsafety - Member
No, just ignorant.
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Part of the reason people hold views in line with what nick1962 has just posted is that an answer of 'racist' or 'ignorant' or 'bigot' do nothing to answer their concerns.

We live in a society where not everyone understands the finer points of every scenario, and are left feeling confused when their beliefs or understanding are challenged as racist.

Not everyone is a racist, some just don't understand. There is a difference.

elf won't understand that there's a difference.

Elf thinks everyone who's ever had a prawn is middle class. does not in any way he?

Wow. The forum has magically altered my comedic elfin style duzz ent to something resembling real words!

Huzzah. Kwality.

nick1962 - Member

No problem with anyone coming to the UK to work.
But immigrants coming to the UK to exploit our relatively generous benefit system with little or no intention of working-that I take issue with.Our benefit and health care systems are under enough pressure supporting the large numbers who don't, wont or can't work already.
Is that racist?

It doesn't and cannot happen. Only entitled to benefits and free healthcare once working here for a year apart from "in work benefits such as housing benefit" for eu immigrants and healthcare for EU immigrants - same entitlement as we have in other coutries

Our benefit system is not "relatively generous" most other EU countries are far more generous.

Don't believe the myths in the papers

I like that someone's gone to all that trouble to create a special filter for my Elfinisms. It makes me feel all warm inside, to know just how much attention people pay to the nonsense I spout on here. 😀

And it is also quite amusing to ponder just how wound up some people get over certain things. I mean, come on! Chuckle To One's Self

I wonder how some folk cope in the Real World, I really do....

What do they do if they encounter any young whipper snappers who do not speak in a manner that their narrow minded Little England sensibilities approve of? Do they challenge said youth on their use of language, or, as is probably far more likely, do they just tut inwardly and do nothing?

The ironing is just stacking up but if they just ignored it and did not make a fuss over everything I would, in all probability, get bored and stop doing it.

X

Racism will shortly be one of the great redundant taboos.

Why?

Love.

And the reasonable price of air travel. And technology, which enables people of all races to fall in love with each other, despite the lies that politicians and religious zealots try to foist upon us.

Thanks for listening.

Of the overall positive economic and cultural impacts of migration in relation to the small number of "benefit migrants" I refer to?

Whilst this is probably true, do you really consider the [i]actual[/i] number of people doing this to be in any way significant? Have you any actual idea just how difficult it is for most immigrants to actually get any benefits unless they've bin here for quite a while?

Just that the amount of 'estimated' fraudulent benefit claims is a fraction of the amount of tax 'avoided' by massive corporations, not to mention the amount in unclaimed benefits...

IE, you're talking about something that's of practically no economic significance. A typical bit of Daily Fail hysterical sensationalism. Designed to detract form far more serious issues, like massive corporations using political influence to leverage enormous tax 'concessions' from their stooges in Parliament....

elf won't understand that there's a difference.

What nonsense are you on about now? 😕

Elf thinks everyone who's ever had a prawn is middle class. does not in any way he?

That must make me [i]positively aristocratic[/i], judging by the amount I eat. 😆

Mmm... prawns....

Racism will shortly be one of the great redundant taboos.

Why?

Love.

And the reasonable price of air travel. And technology, which enables people of all races to fall in love with each other, despite the lies that politicians and religious zealots try to foist upon us.

Thanks for listening.

(Sobs at the poetic beauty of it all)

😥

TJ

I can assure it does happen.It is a relatively small but growing number certainly in my local area.
Also our benefits system is far more generous than any of the accession countries and is relatively simple to exploit quite legitimately and also illegitimately.

What rusty spanner says is true, in 100yrs everyone will be a pale brown colour,.. 😀
And the heat generated by all the racists spinning in their graves will keep us all warm,..so we won't even need to wear clothes anymore
Heaven....... 8)

[i]It makes me feel all warm inside, to know just how much attention people pay to the nonsense I spout on here.[/i]

Nonsense being the operative word.

Ta for clearing that up. (like nobody knew)

I can assure it does happen.It is a relatively small but growing number certainly in my local area.

I'm not disputing that, but do you have any figures for this?

Also our benefits system is far more generous than any of the accession countries and is relatively simple to exploit quite legitimately and also illegitimately.

Explain please.

 

What rusty spanner says is true, in 100yrs everyone will be a pale brown colour

Khani; me and you, right; we're [i]genetically advanced[/i]. Evolution personified.

Nonsense being the operative word.

Ta for clearing that up. (like nobody knew)

What makes me feel even warmer, is knowing that folk like yourself pay so much attention to it. 😀

Thanks for reading. Without you all this would not have bin possible.

Elf-Not a Daily Fail reader myself more Class War-just like you innit.Though didn't the Daily Mail accuse the Stephen Lawrence killers on it's front page once ,so not always bad?

True though Elf.
Prejudice is ignorance in it's purest form.

Innit!... 8)

You know dat, Khani... 8)

True though Elf.
Prejudice is ignorance in it's purest form.

I'm loving your work, Rusty. 🙂

I struggle with long sentences, but:

a) I really love that woman's tshirt
b) British people also lie about their skills

The irony from some on this thread is hilarious. Keep it up, chaps - always makes for a good chuckle.

As you were...

[i]What makes me feel even warmer, is knowing that folk like yourself pay so much attention to it.

Thanks for reading. Without you all this would not have bin possible.[/i]

Sorry elf, not that much attention. You'll be forgotten after about 5 seconds from logging off. Insignificant as you are.

Might remember you tomorrow night, as the Mrs will be at work & there'll be nowt on telly.

You'll be forgotten after about 5 seconds from logging off

I won't be though. And you know it. 😉

I have no idea who or what you are though.

(Flicks cigarette ash contemptuously in grutfuttock's direction)

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I am not getting trying to make any racial issue with this and my comments are aimed at (some) of the EU migrants.And the ones I meet round here ain't too keen on you "brayn" folk and would overwhelm social services if reported judging by some of the child rearing I have witnessed
I have no figures to hand so spare me please TJ but even the UK government struggles to get a proper handle on the econmics of the recent migration from the(not so) newly EU countries.It is v.complicated.
Take TJ's point about having to work here for a year,though even this has lapsed now for some I reckon.But even if it still does you can come to the UK for a year work a minimum wage job topped up with some in work benefits-job ends then you can claim more or less for ever including your family ,as appears to be by my unscientifc anecdotal evidence.Is that sustainable?
I take your point Elf about us all getting f88ked over by the rich getting away without paying their fair share and Triden,Iraq Afghanistan etc t etc etc but it's still us PAYE folk who are footing an ever increasing benefits bill.

I glaze over Elf's posts for the most part simply because they're far too lengthy* for me to be bothered reading in their entirety. I noticed the usual arrogant twaddle in a quote and not from the original which says a lot about what he believes and what happens in reality.

*I learnt early that this is a trait - to bombard with so many words so as to 'win' through the inevitable boredom of the 'opponent'. Laughable immaturity from someone that claims to be so smart.

Cor Elf, is that you in that pic? You is seriously FIT! With that contemptuous gaze and old school look going on, lurvley! 😉

my comments are aimed at (some) of the EU migrants.And the ones I meet round here ain't too keen on you "brayn" folk and would swamp social services if reported judging by some of the child rearing I have witnessed

Yeah, there are a very small minority who are a bit nazi, but the vast majority of East Yerpeans I've met have bin sound. Like the crowd on a Number Twenty Five bus one night, coming home from a night out in Forest Gate, and they're all on there bottles of vodka, plastic cups. Giving out drinks to everyone on the bus. Time I got to Stepney I was mullered. And they were just getting warmed up! 😯

As for the child-rearing, I jolly well have not seen any significantly bad examples, nowhere near on a par with some of the 'non-immigrant' population, I must say.

You is seriously FIT!

Don' even fink abaht it yeah, cos you is well butters like Ize even gonna look at you. Cha.

Laughable immaturity from someone that claims to be so smart.

I have never, ever, claimed to be 'smart'.

I have admitted my own idiocy on several occasions on here though. 😀

And I'm proper immature. My mum gave me a clip round the earhole when we were out the other day. 😆

Tbh I did deserve it though.