[Closed] David Icke at Wembley last Saturday

[i]I have to be honest neal, you come across as a nasty little powertripper; if you were genuinely interested, you'd take the time and see everything I've mentioned is correct.[/i]

hang on...a what now?

all he's doing is asking questions from some-one (you) who can presumably much faster than him, already provide the proof...because you know, you have all the google links already done..Throw 'em up, lets see what you've got?

Who knew the comprehensive school system of Cumbria was a part of the NWO.

Well, quite.

Still, let's keep on harping away at those nasty toffs in their boarding schools, as that's the only place where "it's widely known" that abuse occurs.

[b]I have to be honest [/b]*neal, you come across as a nasty little powertripper;

FFS you wont even really say what it is you have proof of or who it relates to.

Asking for clarity, in this scenario, is hardly nasty or powertripping.

* any chance you could about the questions/claims etc as you seem to only be able to be honest when you insult folk

I have to be honest neal, you come across as a nasty little powertripper;

Ok, In the spirit of honesty, you come a cross as a deluded, self important, fantasist.

For the record, I'm fully aware I have no power, and it doesn't really bother me. I'm perfectly happy without it.

who can presumably much faster than him

Thanks for the compliment, but I never said I was a google athlete... in the time it takes you to think up all these replies, you could easily have found all the requested information.

I've been shouldering quite a weighty burden so far... how about you try and prove me wrong; that does seem to be the prevailing trend across the 12 pages of the thread so far...

"Staff"* at one of my old schools were found to be inappropriately interested in their pupils. Who knew the comprehensive school system of Cumbria was a part of the NWO.

May be isolated, may be related, I don't know every specific case, but re boarding schools, please bear in mind:

being in a sufficient position of power to influence national and international politics is far more likely to occur when you do come from that background.

i.e. the type of people the party whips/intelligence services want to coerce.

May be isolated, may be related,

Sounds like there's googling to be done!

cougar, can we make this the conspiracy theory thread? I literally cannot wait to hear what JHJ thinks about 9/11 or JFK or the moon landings...Just give me 5 minutes to rustle up some popcorn though

😆

I'm going to take a break for a bit and go and ride my bike, because I've been sat here too long and may be getting a bit grouchy.

I don't mean to dish out insults, but bloomin eck, you lot can be demanding at times 😉

[i]I've been shouldering quite a weighty burden so far..[/i]

you're the one making the outlandish claims, suck it up.

Don't let the bastards get you down,this is just one battle the war isn't over yet. [img] [/img]

9/11 Bush did it with explosives

JFK- Miss Scarlett in the Billiard room with lead piping

Moon - - they landed there but only to put a secret listening post on there and to send a signal to the lizards to invade

It's OK, the Chinese will prove that moon landings didn't happen when they land there (but they may find Elvis).

Don't let the bastards get you down,this is just one battle the war isn't over yet.

Conspiracy theorists against the world. The self-proclaimed special ones. Just another way of making life more interesting.

It rather reminds me of the film Memento actually, come to think of it.

It rather reminds me of the film Memento actually, come to think of it.

Don't remember it.

Was it good.

got bored waiting so...

Nick Clegg: school Calidicott prep school. Dates of abuse: 1959 to 1970, headmaster Roland Peter Wright abused 8 boys stopped when got married, no evidence he abused Nick Clegg, arrested (presumably by a different police force as you know, he should have got away with it) and sentenced by a judge (a different set of judges...etc etc) for 8 years at the age of 82. Another member of staff threw himself under a train. 2 members of staff 35 years ago. No evidence of abuse occurring now.

Boris Johnson: School: Ashdown House Prep school Dates of Abuse.1975-2003. Clive Williams was arrested following allegations. bailed until trail in Nov (again presumably by a different set of cops as it should have been covered up) No evidence abuse is continuing, no evidence Boris Johnson was abused.

George Osbourne: school: St Paul's school London. Well known paedophile (part of PEI) abused boys from the '60's to the 80's along with 5 other teachers. Dominic Grieve also went to this school, there is no evidence that either man was abused. Doggest killed himself in 1978 when he was arrested, all the other abusers were also arrested and charged. (again presumably by a different set of cops not in on the "central control thingy")

Tony Blair: School: Durham Cathedral school: abuser Canon John Grove, allegedly abused boys from 1957 to 1978. No evidence that Tony Blair was abused Canon Grove died in 2001. Again investigated by the cops (blah blah blah) and reported by the press. Again lousy work by the covering up team of the central control thingmyajig.

So that's 4 public schools over at least a 40 year time span involving 9 teachers some of whom are dead, one who's in gaol and one awaiting trail. It's not much of a conspiracy (did they even know each other?) and only reached the news because those schools were the alma mater of some politicians.

gosh well, I'm convinced

If as you say you have anecdotal evidence that a number of people were abused, all that you have proof of is that a number of people were abused (assuming for the sake of argument that they're being truthful).

Extrapolating this out to say that there's "well known prevalence of abuse in such institutions" is wooly thinking. You cannot judge every public school (or whatever institution) in the country on the back of a number of isolated cases. Maybe other institutions have similar problems, maybe they don't, you have no way of knowing.

If as you say you're dealing with abuse victims, don't forget that you're not dealing with the thousands - millions even - of people who aren't abused. Your sample set is not representative of the whole.

Oh, do you know, I don't know why I'm bothering.

To coin a phrase; this is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are at chess, the pigeon will knock over all the pieces, shit on the board, then strut around on top of it like it's just won anyway.

Cool, you know where google is

who can presumably much faster than him
Thanks for the compliment, but I never said I was a google athlete... in the time it takes you to think up all these replies, you could easily have found all the requested information.

I've been shouldering quite a weighty burden so far... how about you try and prove me wrong; that does seem to be the prevailing trend across the 12 pages of the thread so far...

She should have died hereafter;
There would have been a time for such a word.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day
To the last syllable of recorded time,
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

Sorry I'm late guys, what've I missed?

It's clearly bollix, however the smug ganging up and congratulating each other on unfunny 'zingers' makes me want to agree with him. Fella has lashed out a few times, but there's been a fair bit of provocation. He's actually been fairly good humoured about the argument.
Don't make me a conspiracy theorist by arguing like dicks.

Whilst I take your point, under every post is a handy "report post" button for your convenience. Anything you report which crosses the line will be dealt with.

Nothing has offended me personally, just keen to avoid being induced to wear oven proof headwear by some people arguing in a sneery fashion with a misguided fella.
I feel compelled to read the thread in case I miss a funny put down, you see.
On another point, I once met David Icke and he seemed very nice and normal. Didn't get into the Lizards thing with him though.

But you're the one who boasts he has all the answers!

I think this is where the problem lies, I never claimed to have all the answers, I merely mentioned that:

To be fair to David Icke, since the 90s he has been saying child abuse is central to the control structures of the political and religious elite.

That claim I've answered long ago, yet you want more information, which going by attitudes so far, you will disregard.

If you're truly curious, pursue research for yourself, as I've touched on, it is an international phenomenon; it's hard to know where to begin.

The majority of my work has been investigating the involvement of prominent UK figures, mostly political figures, but some religious.

There is no doubt that in many instances, abuse is linked to coercion, by among others party whips and the intelligence services.

Freemasons in powerful positions are a well known phenomenon and it is no coincidence.

Much like gang culture, they protect one another, taking one for the team, so even if one is caught abusing, they keep quiet to protect others in the ring.

Abuse within the Catholic Church is well documented and they are also linked to Freemasonry through orders such as the Knights of Malta.

I could go on, but for the sake of simplicity that is a sufficient framework on which you can do research.

I'm not going to keep chasing around trying to convince you.

If you're curious, do the research, if not, no problem, I'll try not to keep forcing it down your throat.

That said, above all else, what you should be aware of is the cover up of abuse on Jersey and Jimmy Savile's (who had both a Royal and Papal knighthood) involvement therein.

DirtyLyle - Member 
It's clearly bollix, [b]however the smug ganging up and congratulating each other on unfunny 'zingers' makes me want to agree with him[/b]. Fella has lashed out a few times, but there's been a fair bit of provocation. He's actually been fairly good humoured about the argument.
Don't make me a conspiracy theorist by arguing like dicks.

The best post so far and couldn't agree more! This happens a lot on this place I've noticed, kinda like bullying sort of. All [s]licking [/s]feeding off each other in a smug bullying way. This is how it's coming across anyhow.

what you should be aware of is the cover up of abuse on Jersey and Jimmy Savile's [b](who had both a Royal and Papal knighthood) [/b]involvement therein.

Once again... [b]That proves nothing.[/b]

Are the Royal Family complicit in all wrongdoing committed by everyone with knighthood ?

No.

So what exactly was your point when you mentioned it, as if it were evidence against them ?

nealglover - Member

Well, you don't have to wonder. I never have that's for sure.

Mainly because I'm not stupid enough to buy one of his books

But seeing as you brought it up, why don't they sue him ?

Seeing as you've probably never read one of his books (tinternet or a library can allow you to read any for free btw), basically you literally don't know what you're talking about when it comes to what Icke has to say.
This might help you a bit, from 2012

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JImmy Savile died in 2011.

being in a sufficient position of power to influence national and international politics is far more likely to occur when you do come from that background.

Icke produces a systematic and relatively easy to understand explanation for all of this: it's lizards and masons, and child abuse is the glue that holds it all together. for Catholics and Muslims, the explanation is Satan. for hardcore Marxists, pretty much everything can be explained by the accumulation of capital.

all of these things are definitive answers to awful and difficult questions: that's why they're attractive and why people who are stuck within them face such cognitive dissonance when they're presented with something that shatters the shell. some people dig further in and some people lost faith...

Jimmy Savile died in 2011.

Yep

In 2008, Operation Rectangle investigating child abuse on Jersey was shut down.

The notorious 'Jersey House of Horrors' made the news for a while:

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/trenches-filled-with-lime-found-at-jersey-house-of-horrors-care-home-6693782.html

then everything went quiet.

Then in 2011, whilst Savile was still alive, this happened:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/leah-mcgrath-goodman/david-miranda-uk-detention_b_3844480.html

I've read a couple. One "robots rebellion" (and here I'm being generous) is pretty anti-Semitic. A claim that he naturally denies. it's largely about the Zion brotherhood and the discredited and hoaxed elders of Zion scrolls. I suspect that in order to make his "ruling elites" encompassing theories more palatable i.e. lack of anti-semitism, and perhaps trying to distance himself from far right groups who share almost entirely his views regarding ruling elites, that he stumbled across the reptile thing (which I still can't make up my mind whether it is or isn't allegoric)

His views bounce around anything he can find to support his theories that "everything is connected back to the ruling elites" idea. Which, of course, is just what you need, as we all understand the conspirators view is that the more society rejects an idea the greater validity that idea must have, but mostly it's just pretty standard end of days good vs evil stuff.

Oh, and of course, he has introduced the idea of levels of consciousness, identifying the sheeple and the small group that see through the illusion...no need to explain why he would feel the need to introduce an idea like that into his writing... 😉

I think that just about covers it, have I left anything out?

Seeing as you've probably never read one of his books (tinternet or a library can allow you to read any for free btw), basically you literally don't know what you're talking about when it comes to what Icke has to say.

I know plenty about it thanks.

Just not about to start buying into his bullshit by giving him any money.

He runs a business, gullible people are his bread and butter.

Have a look and see how much he is personally worth and tell me he isn't laughing all the way to the bank.

He's either an idiot or a genius, either way he's rolling in it and laughing his ass off.

In 2008, Operation Rectangle investigating child abuse on Jersey was shut down.
The notorious 'Jersey House of Horrors' made the news for a while:

discredited and hoaxed elders of Zion scrolls

I'm not saying they're not hoaxed, but there are interesting parallels between what's written and world events...

What is more interesting, is that Allen Dulles, who was a director of the CIA, is apparently pivotal in discrediting the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

The evils committed whilst he was director of the CIA are many; along with setting up [b]MK-ULTRA[/b], he was also responsible for Operation Ajax, where through close collaboration between the CIA and Mi6 the democratically elected Iranian Government was overthrown after they attempted to audit the books of the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company, (which later became BP).

Also Operation Mockingbird, where the CIA influenced the media; The organization recruited leading American journalists into a network to help present the CIA's views, and funded some student and cultural organizations, and magazines as fronts. As it developed, it also worked to influence foreign media and political campaigns, in addition to activities by other operating units of the CIA.

On top of all this, his brother John Foster Dulles was U.S. Secretary of state and his sister Eleanor Lansing Dulles a senior government employee.

Is this the one where it turns out none of the bones were children, officially people didn't go missing and no credible evidence was found?

It's the one where Jimmy Savile denied ever visiting, then a photo of him there turned up.

A number of victims have identified Savile as an abuser there.

Several victims described an underground chamber, with shackles and a bath and along with the bath, rusty remnants of the shackles were found, along with traces of blood.

Also found were a number of fragments of burnt bone and teeth, a piece of skull was found and examined by experts, who after initially stating it was bone, changed their story to say it was coconut.

Of course, mistakes do happen, in isolation, the coconut incident would be no major cause for suspicion, however, when there is evidently enough reason for the Home Office (who has limited jurisdiction over Jersey) to prevent further investigation:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/leah-mcgrath-goodman/david-miranda-uk-detention_b_3844480.html
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alarm bells start ringing.

Especially since Jimmy Savile was alive at the time of the investigation~ we all know of his several friends in high places.

Furthermore, a number of police officers involved in the investigation insist there was a cover up.

On top of all this, children from carehomes across the UK did go missing whilst on Jersey, [b]but much like MPs expenses records, the official records were 'destroyed'[/b]

[i]I'm not saying they're not hoaxed, but there are interesting parallels between what's written and world events...[/i]

If you are a far right activist or a ruling elites conspiracy theorist, then yes, I suspect the Scrolls are pretty "canonical reading"

All they suggest to me is that these ideas have been around for a while: good vs evil, end of days pronouncements, new world order cults and conspiracies and so forth. Just because David Icke is perhaps one of the more widely read millennial new age conspiracy theorists, his ideas and writing are far from original.

[i]Several victims described an underground chamber, with shackles and a bath and along with the bath, rusty remnants of the shackles were found, along with traces of blood.[/i]

no, some investigators found these things that were later identified as props from a Bergerac episode, or were misidentified.

[i]Also found were a number of fragments of burnt bone and teeth, a piece of skull was found and examined by experts, who after initially stating it was bone, changed their story to say it was coconut.[/i]

The forensic team already told the investigating team that the fragment may pre-date the inquiry and the fragment was identified as a coconut by experts at Kew Gardens (I think it's safe to assume Kew gardens aren't in on any sex crime cover ups) The rest of the bones were animal, deciduous teeth, or aged to perhaps as early as the 15th century..

JHJ if you swallow whole just one side of a story whilst rejecting out of hand other possible explanations, that's not research chap.

@nickc, you can't tell me Bergerac's not in on it.

6079smithw - Member

Seeing as you've probably never read one of his books (tinternet or a library can allow you to read any for free btw), basically you literally don't know what you're talking about when it comes to what Icke has to say.

I have a strict rule of not reading anything by someone who, in all seriousness, claims that are leaders are extraterrestrial reptiles, a claim which I am reasonably sure can be associated with David Icke.

It seems a perfectly sensible rule to me. Why do you appear to disagree, because David Icke has never made the claim or because you think it's quite feasible that prominent figures are extraterrestrial reptiles?

JHJ if you swallow whole just one side of a story whilst rejecting out of hand other possible explanations, that's not research chap.

Indeed, you make that point very well, in both words and actions

Strange you seem to completely reject any victim testimonies; the cellar, shackles and bath were mentioned by a number of victims.

Of course, Jimmy Savile being there could be a mere coincidence, as could:

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/trenches-filled-with-lime-found-at-jersey-house-of-horrors-care-home-6693782.html

But this is a bit odd, don't you think?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/leah-mcgrath-goodman/david-miranda-uk-detention_b_3844480.html
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Especially when a number of careworkers and journalists state that children from carehomes across the country (notably Islington and Birmingham among others) were being trafficked to Jersey.

Several of them went missing.

So, on the one hand, we have a government with a history of telling fibs and destroying records and on the other, we have a number of experts insisting there has been a cover up, which seems likely given the actions of said government.

Obviously, I'm biased, but use your noggin.

And remind me why it was that Savile was never arrested.

The victim testimonies (there were well over a hundred) seem mostly to suggest that the abuse was taking cold showers, a clip round the ear, being flicked with a wet towel. that sort of level. However in 2009 three people were charges with various assaults against young people, assault, and common assault.

That's not in any way a "control structure run by a ruling elite"

Your news paper link is a standard tabloid journalistic piece, there are hundreds of them about the "house of Horror" story all of them are pretty similar, most are wildey inaccurate, I'm not sure what you want me to take from that?

Let me ask you a question. Your "experts" are OK, right? but any other "experts" that have a different view from yours...they're in on it, right?

northwind, I always thought there was something not right about "Charlie" 😉 😆

The victim testimonies (there were well over a hundred) seem mostly to suggest that the abuse was taking cold showers, a clip round the ear, being flicked with a wet towel. that sort of level.

What about the ones who mentioned Jimmy Savile?

Strange that the Zandvoort stash has been linked to Jersey as well.

Let me ask you a question. Your "experts" are OK, right? but any other "experts" that have a different view from yours...they're in on it, right?

I'm not saying they're all in on it, many are likely not aware, or are too scared for their profession/otherwise occupied to engage in getting their views heard.

He's either an idiot or a genius

A genius making money from idiots?

[i]What about the ones who mentioned Jimmy Savile?[/i]

one case investigated in 2008 mentioned Jimmy Saville there was insufficient evidence to proceed. Had they known in retrospect what we now know about him, perhaps things would have been different.

Do I find it odd that Saville first denied he's ever been there? No not really. Here's a scenario: In the Seventies at the height of his fame he goes to Jersey, as his front is "charitable works" it's then plausible and possible that he arranged to go to the home, great publicity, and the chance to get one of the kids alone...It's how these guys work. It doesn't need complicity or connivance or the assistance of shadowy secretive societies, it's just the sad, repulsive story of how one man worked out how to get to kids to do what he wanted with them whilst hiding in plain site. It's largely how all they all do it.

It's the one where Jimmy Savile denied ever visiting, then a photo of him there turned up.

Does that surprise you then ?

An (as yet undiscovered) predatory sex offender is asked if he ever visited a place that was, at the time, under investigation for child abuse, and he denied it.

I don't see why that would be a surprise to anyone really.

An (as yet undiscovered) predatory sex offender is asked if he ever visited a place that was, at the time, under investigation for child abuse, and he denied it.

There's another even more mundane explanation - 35 years after the visit he could genuinely have forgotten, he was after all nearly 80 at that point.

It's possible, but Savile was also a compulsive bullshitter, fantasist and liar, too.

I'm not saying they're not hoaxed, but there are interesting parallels between what's written and world events...

How does Savile never having been arrested intersect with the fact that practically none of the other legion of abusers that existed were arrested at the time, despite not having the fame or (in truth) fairly tangential relationships with royalty that Savile had? Is it a) because there was a global conspiracy to protect illuminati sex abusers or b) because the police and prosecutors were bleeding abysmal at investigating and prosecuting child abusers regardless of who they are? Is there actually a significant difference in the rate of nonprosecution for child sex offences between the powerful and the meek?

What about domestic abuse? Practically no one rich, famous or powerful was ever convicted of domestic abuse before the last decade, and even then those that have been are surely only the tip of the iceberg. Why not? Is that because there is a global illuminati conspiracy to protect domestic abusers* or because police, prosecutors and courts are only now getting half decent at prosecuting them?

And how, going back to the purple bellend triangle power structure diagram, can the UK monarchy and the pope be at the top? What happens in the parts of the world - Africa, the Middle East and the rest of Asia for example - where the Catholic Church and the Windsors don't actually play a significant role?

* there is a global conspiracy to do this - it's called patriarchy

It's possible, but Savile was also a compulsive bullshitter, fantasist and liar, too.

Definitely, and personally I think it's more likely he lied, but forgetfulness is also a possibility. And far more likely than a lizard-based cover-up.

The lizards MADE him forget, obviously.

Let me ask you a question. Your "experts" are OK, right? but any other "experts" that have a different view from yours...they're in on it, right?

Herein lies the major problem with many such conspiracyloonery. Anything that doesn't tally with the perceived truth is instantly a part of that which has led to the belief in that perceived truth, and so it goes round and round.....

What happens in the parts of the world - Africa, the Middle East and the rest of Asia for example - where the Catholic Church and the Windsors don't actually play a significant role

Though to some extent you have a point about the influence of the Catholic Church in some locations, (even though roughly 1 in 7 people in Africa come under the Catholic faith, a higher ratio than the UK) it does have many branches across the Middle East and Asia.

History shows Britain has been active across Africa, the Middle East and Asia since way back.

Slavery, the Crusades and the Opium wars are examples of this.

Of course, along with Operation Ajax in Iran in the 1950s, more recently, we have the invasions into Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention the covert drone activity in other countries which escapes media attention.

It's no coincidence it's known as HM Government, not 'The Peoples' Government.

Does anyone know how many countries still have the Queen on their banknotes?

(I don't know the answer myself, but it will doubtless show the power of the monarchy still spreads far beyond these shores)

not to mention the covert drone activity in other countries which escapes media attention.

Are they part of the peadophile cover up then ?

The one that's central to the power of the political and religious elite ?

Are you getting confused.

Might help if you could focus a bit.

Are you getting confused.

I'm not confused, are you?

[i]Does anyone know how many countries still have the Queen on their banknotes?[/i]

about 15-20? maybe...Including some horrifically powerful countries such as the Isle of Man, New Zealand, Canada, Austrailia Fiji? (I'm guessing)

....they have something in common....common, common.....wealth

I'm done, going to hoover my car, Henry doesn't give me this sort of grief.

I'm not confused, are you?

Well yes actually, I'm confused what these covert drones have got to do with your pet theory about global peadophile cover up being central the power of the religious and political elite.

Can you explain please.

Does anyone know how many countries still have the Queen on their banknotes?

(I don't know the answer myself, but it will doubtless show the power of the monarchy still spreads far beyond these shores)

So, are you saying that Jane Austen is also in on it? Dickens, perhaps?

Or, what about Nellie Melba, eh?
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More twaddle, I'm afraid.

Dickens, perhaps?

Dickens almost certainly visited the victorian equivalent of care homes while researching Oliver Twist, so there's definitely a link there.

.....the power of the monarchy still spreads far beyond these shores

That really did make me laugh out loud ! 😆

Keep them coming honeyjive ! 🙂

'm confused what these covert drones have got to do with your pet theory about global peadophile cover up being central the power of the religious and political elite.

Well look at this, what does it remind you of?

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That's right, it's based on JHJs schematic:
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This drone is powered by a solid core of pure pederasty.

Edit, maybe that's what they did with Jimmy Saville's body!

Well yes actually, I'm confused what these covert drones have got to do with your pet theory about global peadophile cover up being central the power of the religious and political elite.

Can you explain please.

Gladly, easy peasy

Coercion and blackmail by the intelligence services and party whips steers policy to authorize these actions.

Religion helps create an us and them mindset to help justify such actions

The media avoids drawing attention to these matters due to dubious moral grounds.

So, are you saying that Jane Austen is also in on it? Dickens, perhaps?

Or, what about Nellie Melba, eh?

More twaddle, I'm afraid.

Nice to know you're self regulating, saves me calling you out on your twaddle 😉

Funny how many Tax havens are under the jurisdiction of the Crown...

2 that spring to mind are:

Cayman Islands

and

Jersey

(the wealthiest, which has many links with the worlds no.1 financial centre, the City of London)

I wonder how many others are under the crowns jurisdiction?

Funny how many Tax havens are under the jurisdiction of the Crown...

Is it? I don't think it is, really. I think it's just a fact. Which, coming from you, might be a first.

But, what about Nevada, Wyoming, Delaware? Or Switzerland, perhaps?

I'm sure they're all nonces as well, aren't they?

I'm a bit confused by the masons happily taking orders from the Vatican. I don't know about other parts of the world, but in Scotland masonic lodges are generally regarded as protestant affairs and Catholics are not welcome.

(This bigotry has calmed down over recent years, but you still don't see many Celtic shirts!)

Also are you really suggesting that Iraq and Afghanistan were invaded so people could abuse children??

I'm a bit confused by the masons happily taking orders from the Vatican. I don't know about other parts of the world, but in Scotland masonic lodges are generally regarded as protestant affairs and Catholics are not welcome.

They're a sneaky bunch and no mistake!!

Also are you really suggesting that Iraq and Afghanistan were invaded so people could abuse children??

Not at all, I'm saying that the profitable actions of instigating and committing to war in those Nations were set in motion with the help of coercion on abusers.

Coercion and blackmail by the intelligence services and party whips steers policy to authorize these actions.

You will have evidence of that I presume ?

That child abuse related blackmail was used to steer the decision to authorise the use of covert drones.

You must have surely, otherwise you wouldn't state it as a fact.

They're a sneaky bunch and no mistake!!

And the Pope probably isn't even a Catholic.

The Orange order Masonic lodges are really paedo networks for the Pope - Like graham I remain a wee bit cynical on that one- comedy gold mind.

And the Pope probably isn't even a Catholic.

His wife is, though.

Wow there Flashy, a heterosexual catholic priest, is a step too far, even for Jive

Well, I say "wife", but his name is Bernard.

Nice reference to Nursie - keep it character eh

I'm saying that the profitable actions...

All about the detail, Junky. 😀

And the Pope probably isn't even a Catholic.

No, but he does shit in the woods.

No, but he does shit in the woods.

some alter boys

Pre or post op?

bit of both really, I heard he like to mix it up a bit though don't tell anyone I told you.

bit of both really, I heard he like to mix it up a bit though don't tell anyone I told you.

I thought it was well known that there were well known rumours that it was well known that someone once heard that it was well known.

no the well known ones were about the other fellow, you know the one. In those photos with other people and the like

Interesting reference to Masons in [url=

5Live interview[/url]
Skip to 6:15 if you just want to hear the Masons reference.