[Closed] David Icke at Wembley last Saturday

Pff, as if I'd be involved in any kind of conspiracy, you people are so suspicious

If only somewhere was holding an inquiry into this sort of stuff somewhere in the world.
[url= http://royalcommission.com.au/?gclid=COrq-sjQ3sECFQcRjgod2jIAAA ]oh look they are[/url]
Of course the establishment probably only sanctioned it after getting all their people out and doing mind control on the rest. Really surprised this didn't make it onto jh's reading list.

Meanwhile, in the UK:

So far the home office has selected 2 chairs to head the inquiry who have had to step down, due to links to people involved in abuse/coverup...

Not to mention collusion with the home office to try and limit public exposure of said links.

This picture includes the latest Fiona Woolf, who stood down on Friday and was taken the morning of the day that she went before the Home Affairs Select Committee and said she wasn't part of the establishment:

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Nothing to hide there then.

Strange that the terms of reference avoided Kincora and Jersey amongst other things.

We'll see what happens in a little while once Theresa May has had another go at preventing complete implosion of the home office.

So you didn't bother to read any of the Australian stuff despite it being exactly what you seem interested in. Perhaps it doesn't agree with you.

[quote=jivehoneyjive ]Pff, as if I'd be involved in any kind of conspiracy, you people are so suspicious

Mandy Rice-Davies applies

Strewth mate, calm down ya flaming galah!!

I'm aware of several cases down in Australia, but there is so much to compile from all over the world that I haven't had time to do great deal of research down under yet.

Used to have a flat mate who was brought up in care near Melbourne and he'd tell me stories of horrific abuse, but at the time, I didn't really believe him.

After all, they are 'care' homes right, set up to look after the vulnerable, not abuse and traffic them.

So I do understand it's hard to conceive and I've been wrong about it in my time, but we can't keep pretending it doesn't occur.

Like I said, it's an international thing and it's far from pretty.

Thanks for the link.

I'm not really sure what that photo above proves?? 😕

But I completely agree that the selection process has been a farce.

Out of interest though, who (or how) would you select to chair that investigation?

Seems to me it is pretty difficult to find someone who would be qualified to chair a Royal Commission, but has no ties to "the establishment".

Especially as your MACPC diagram clearly rules out anyone from justice, child protection, family courts, police or politics.

Lottery/Tombola - we all get a number even loons and establishment types and trust it to chance 😉

One of those it is hard to get balance in that they need to be knowledgeable and informed and yet somehow be at a distance
Some "maverick" Human right lawyers have been suggested- Mike Mansfield for example- by victims groups.

I like the soothing musak of Tubular Bells as much as the next man, but I can't see how it would help here.

Im saving this thread to read before I go to bed tonight..will i be disappointed?

Only if you're a lizard.

It's really hard to get a non establishment type is they get their photo taken with some establishment types.

The reason for the link to the Australian royal commission is that despite every thing that has gone on which is hideous there seems to be the lack of an overarching control and coordination. Probably why it was so bad as when someone was discovered the network didn't reach back to the powers on high or widely across the community. It stayed within the organisation. As sinister as some of it was it didn't seem to go beyond their own perversions either.

Is it weird that he was a regular visitor and close enough to act as a counsellor at rough patches in the marriages of Charles and Di and Andrew and Fergie?

For all our squabbling, that is a very fair point (and it made me giggle)

Good work that man!!

To all the self-proclaimed guardians of the orthodoxy what motivates you ? What are you getting out of attempting to discredit the growing body of evidence that there is a correlation between institutional child abuse and elements of the hierarchical elite? - Considering the heartbreaking nature of the phenomenon proof would vindicate no one .. It's pitifully candid that too many people on here have no alternative but to turn the other cheek - I guess it's all your minerals can accommodate..

Oh God. Another one.

The people here are discrediting bad research is all.

whatcha got?

What motivates? common sense a respect for logic , an unwillingness to label or condemn without evidence.

It's pitifully candid that too many people on here have no alternative but to turn the other cheek - I guess it's all your minerals can accommodate..

no one is turning a blind eye they are saying your evidence for the overarching conspiracy is not compelling. The fact you cannot tell the difference tells us all we need to know about the way you lot handle and assimilate facts and data ...poorly, very poorly

Everyone agrees sex crimes are bad and offenders should be caught

I could give you a fairly long list of.people you've heard of who don't agree with that at all, JY

Considering the heartbreaking nature of the phenomenon proof would vindicate no one ..

Which is exactly why we should ensure we have proper evidence, rather than banding about speculation and bizarre theories that only serve to belittle and undermine the genuine cases.

Which is exactly why we should ensure we have proper evidence, rather than banding about speculation and bizarre theories that only serve to belittle and undermine the genuine cases.

I can totally understand where you're coming from with that, however 'proper' evidence is:

a) A lot more sensitive, with victims anonymity necessary for their dignity.

b) Far more intensive and time consuming to study in all its detail

c) Not suitable for sharing in the public domain whilst ongoing investigations are underway.

What I have tried to do is compile sufficient evidence of cases already completed and publicized so as to give you an insight into the bigger picture.

I appreciate the level of skepticism displayed, but stand by my claims.

JHJ: I undestand the need to be secretive regarding ongoing investigations.

But please understand that when you start posting things like that Illuminati/satanist pyramid diagram and linking your allegations to David Icke and his lizard people then the majority of people who perhaps don't share your particular world view will regard it as bizarre conspiracy fantasy - which in turn taints any real concrete allegations that you or others might make.

Fair point; perhaps not the best thread to expand on matters, but the opportunity arose, so I took it.

Not to worry, you can count on my slipping it into more credible threads every now and again to keep everyone on their toes.

Do you ever have a day off.

c) Not suitable for sharing in the public domain whilst ongoing investigations are underway.

What I have tried to do is compile sufficient evidence of cases already completed and publicized so as to give you an insight into the bigger picture.

You have previously linked prince Phillip to child abuse and cliff Richard. Are they cases already completed.
People do terrible things to other people sometimes children. There are proper authorities to deal such things and I am sure they don't go about it by spreading malicious rumours on the net. Although i would not put it past South Yorkshire police.

Do you really believe you are helping anyone with your posts.
You need to fix up. And leave this to the professionals.

jivehoneyjive - Member
Pff, as if I'd be involved in any kind of conspiracy, you people are so suspicious

Said this earlier today:

We'll see what happens in a little while once Theresa May has had another go at preventing complete implosion of the home office.

Lo and behold, breaking news:

Norman Baker, the Lib Dem MP acting as the minister with the cross-governmental lead on child sexual exploitation within the Home Office has resigned, apparently saying working with Home Secretary Theresa May like "walking through mud".

Or the other version, election coming time to distance from that lot and make it look like everything was their fault up we tried really hard.

Norman Baker, the Lib Dem MP acting as the minister with the cross-governmental lead on child sexual exploitation within the Home Office has resigned, apparently saying working with Home Secretary Theresa May like "walking through mud".

David Icke is hands down the greatest human being alive.
Watch how these presenters have to try and gang up. And note how they don't stop to ask him about ritual abuse.
You have to wonder why the people he names in his books don't try to sue him.

You have to wonder why the people he names in his books don't try to sue him.

Well, you don't have to wonder. I never have that's for sure.

Mainly because I'm not stupid enough to buy one of his books

But seeing as you brought it up, why don't they sue him ?

You have to wonder why the people he names in his books don't try to sue him.

that is to say - suing Icke would be an expensive, embarrassing and pointless exercise that would simply promote Icke. by the way, the answer would be the same regardless of whether the people Icke names were guilty or innocent of whatever it is he says they did.

You have to wonder why the people he names in his books don't try to sue him.

The because the courts and the whole legal process is stacked in David Icke's favour, it's all part of the great conspiracy.

Or have I got that wrong ?

Pedophiles in Power - Geneva Business Insider:

You're not familiar with the well established principle, first put forward, IIRC, in Sherlock Holmes stories, called 'hiding in plain sight' then?

Think it was Father Brown, [url= http://books.eserver.org/fiction/innocence/brokensword.html ]The Sign of the Broken Sword[/url].

you can count on my slipping it into more credible threads every now and again to keep everyone on their toes.

I refer you to your recent warning.

We've no issues with threads like this one discussing your hoary ideas, but derailing other threads and disrupting ongoing conversations isn't on.

In all fairness cougar, I don't recall a recent warning:

would you care to clarify?

EDIT: It seems pretty clear
Discus your conspiracy theories on conspiracy threads and leave them out of other thread as you de rail them

I could give you a fairly long list of.people you've heard of who don't agree with that at all, JY

I suspect you mean out there rather than on STW
No one would disagree numerous organisations , the church for example, have tried to cover up allegations and historical allegations. However the claim we [ STW]are denying the claims on here for the reasons stated remains false.

It's pitifully candid that too many people on here have no alternative but to turn the other cheek - I guess it's all your minerals can accommodate..

PS wow well done Jive you predicted that May would have issues after the second person had to stand dawn- such foresighthampered only by your failure to predict that the coalition member would leave and that the stated reason unrelated to the abuse.

Still you claim that AMMMMMMMAAAAZZZZIIIIINNNNNGGGGG insight as success.
If it helps I am going ot sya a politiican will be involved ina scandal and need to resign....shh you hear dit here first

as for suing Icke - why bother only loons believe or read his guff and by suing you would just let the claim be read by a wider audience. the fact he lost would just bee seen as the "system" closing down his truth etc
Its pointless

stated reason

Are you familiar with the PR game Junky?

Apparently Max Clifford was quite big in the field:

Norman Baker, the Lib Dem MP acting as the minister with the cross-governmental lead on child sexual exploitation within the Home Office

If you're having a romantic meal in a restaurant and need a poo, do you say you need a poo?

Of course now I see the proof is that he did not mention it and mentioned other things...it makes so much sense when you explain it like that ..FACEPALM
Really can you you not see what you are doing here

He mentions it you are correct
He does not mention - you are correct

This is how you treat facts and evidence - they go through your "reality filter" and exit proving your pre held views irrespective of what they actually mean

I find conspiracy theorists quite intriguing.

http://conspiracypsychology.com/

Conspiracy theories allow people to address feelings of powerlessness and lack of control, avoid feelings of uncertainty and allow people to make sense of events.

Basically they like to feel that they have a grasp of the unknowns and also that they are a step above the rest of the population - it's an odd sort superiority complex (born of actually feeling powerless) where their concerns 'for the children' (in this instance) just hide a desire to seem better than others and more in control. Actually the fate of the children or whoever is of little interest (or let's say secondary to be charitable).

It's essentially slacktivism taken a step further.

you are correct

Thanks

Actually the fate of the children or whoever is of little interest

Aye, it's all me, me, me.

Check out my Ferrari, swimming pool and jewelry, I'm well self centred.

Haterz gonna hate

You don't have to lust after material objects to be self-centred.

So, prove me wrong. What have you actually done to help the children? Claiming to spread the information doesn't count - that's just doing what I stated in my post above.

Oh really, do tell me more, I'm really looking forward to your opinion 😆

What have you actually done to help the children? Claiming to spread the information doesn't count

Well, aside from months of unpaid research and correspondence with victims, careworkers, journalists and MPs, along with campaigning and regular donations to charity, I can't think of a whole lot right now... you?

Well in that case, I'll give you kudos for actually doing something which certainly isn't the usual situation for conspiracists but if I was uncharitable I could ask what you've actually achieved to help the children - spending time on conspiracy theories isn't helping per se and it could be argued is just persuing your own interest in this like a hobby.

Also, given all the time and effort you seem to be putting in, I'd have expected you to be able to provide much more credible evidence to back up what you're claiming which you clearly haven't.