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The fishing thing is great, particularly as it employs fewer (predominantly EU migrants) than Arcadia and Debenhams. Oh the irony, risking economic ruin for the sake of keeping some migrants employed to catch and process a product we don’t want to eat.
It has also had the added bonus of Johnson being able to deploy some gunboats for a bit of macho military posturing. And its worked a treat. The gammons are literally delirious with joy. A no-deal Brexit and the Royal Navy patrolling the channel. It’s like they’ve died and gone to heaven
The Daily Express "quoted" some admiral or other (or possibly made up a quote) saying how the Navy didn't want to open fire on French fishermen but wouldn't hesitate to protect our fish.
I know this because a Leave-voting friend commented on the article on FB so it found its way into my feed. The comments on there were as you say ^^, fwapping themselves senseless over the thought of good old Blighty mounting a Dunkirk style operation.
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@kryton, @dazh.....
I wish I could be more like you, but right now I can't. I'm not accusing anyone of being better or elitist, just reflecting there are some very worried and indeed angry people right now, and telling us how we shouldn't be because we have no control is 100% correct, and 0% helpful right now. I need to burn some rage off, internalising it is not helpful.
https://www.sagu.edu/thoughthub/the-psychology-of-venting
Those people commenting on click bait articles/FB/YT really didn’t vote for this
They voted to stop EU freedom of movement to stop immigration, they've got that.
They voted to take back control and they are getting that, "no deal" is the inevitable consequence of refusing to be a law taker.
They voted to get back fishing rights, they are getting that.
38% of those polled in November still said Brexit was/is the right decision.
Those 50 odd STWers who said they'd vote out, only two have posted to say they've changed their minds. The rest just don't post and I have no reason to believe they've changed their minds.
I wish I could be more like you, but right now I can’t. I’m not accusing anyone of being better or elitist, just reflecting there are some very worried and indeed angry people right now, and telling us how we shouldn’t be because we have no control is 100% correct, and 0% helpful right now. I need to burn some rage off, internalising it is not helpful.
@theotherjonv - appreciated. We are all different, and as you know from my history I've raged at the tiniest things on here, I'm just lucky I'm in the headspace I am today. On any other day it could be different, just you and binners and others take care of yourselves and your family's.
@kryton, @dazh…..
I wish I could be more like you, but right now I can’t.
Same here. Since Covid hit in March, the service industry I (used to) work in has been in suspended animation. In reality, most of it probably doesn't exist anymore. I've only managed to survive because I've (luckily) changed the nature of my job completely. Do I think that it's sustainable? No. There are many, many industries in the same perilous state, teetering on the abyss.
What these industries need is some form of support. What they're going to get instead is the polar opposite. They're going to get a (completely self-inflicted) full-blown economic crisis which will have the effect of the final bullet administered to the back of the head.
I fully expect to see 5-6 million unemployed by next summer. It's going to be total chaos.
If you like Edukator.
But my point was that it's useless ascribing malevolent intent to Leave supporters four years in the past, they were generally spouting quite different rhetoric at the time, banging on about easy deals money for the NHS and "taking back control" as a sort of abstract concept rather than a practical reality. Most didn't really think they'd win. I just don't think the majority had processed the downsides into likely outcomes at all...
Four years on, they're well drilled by the DM and can paraphrase Gove like nobody's business and, yeah sure this was the plan all along and they're fine with it. But deep down we all know they didn't process the obvious consequences and narcissistic tendencies mean they can't admit that...
Just for balance, I'm hoping for an initial no deal tbh, it's the only option that allows everyone a bit of win.
Time for real change👍
Anyone see the story that the government might have underestimated the number of hk nationals that are likely to come here in the next few years.
the brexies are going to blow when they find out there might be 600k Chinese people turning up
I think it is awesome
Just for balance, I’m hoping for an initial no deal tbh, it’s the only option that allows everyone a bit of win.
Care to specify how anyone other than hedge fund managers and currency speculators 'win' from Brexit?
Cookeaa, surely the responsibility goes to the know-it-alls not the know-nothings?
I wonder if we can organise a reciprocal exchange and send the most right wing brexit supporters back over to HK.
surely the responsibility goes to the know-it-alls not the know-nothings
Only if the know it alls didn't inform the shit for brains....
The first "out" post on the original Brexit thread over four years ago:
just5minutes
Free MemberI’ll vote for “out”.
Europe is in the midst of the worst crisis for 70 years and its leaders have clearly still not recognised the need for change.
Having to rely on leaders of countries that are smaller than the population of London for permission to effectively manage migration to our own country is ridiculous, as is the failure of policy makers in Europe to deal decisively with the economic malaise that many countries still find themselves in.
Switzerland has more reciprocal free trade agreements than the EU, and a majority of Britain’s trade is outside the EU now. Europe must reform and reform quickly but sees no need to. It’s better to be on the outside and focus on maintain trading than inside a movement which is clearly focussed on increasing fiscal, monetary and political union as a goal in its own right.
Two issues are overhyped:
1. Britons still have to show passports when travelling to Europe – “free movement” is not there for us anyway.
2. The german and french economies will still need to sell cars etc. to us. It’s as much in their interests for trade to be maintained as it is for ours – and countries already outside the EU have little difficulty trading with it.
Posted 4 years ago
Paraphrosed: anti-immigration, take back control, we trade more with the rest of the world and other countries trade with Europe anyhow, we don't need freedom of movement because we don't have it now, they need to sell us cars.
I and others spent a few minutes a day on this forum demostrating the falsehoods posted by Jamba, Chewkw and co. but only two of the original leavers changed their minds. The rest are presumably still happy with their decision as are 38% of those polled in November.
Just for balance, I’m hoping for an initial no deal tbh, it’s the only option that allows everyone a bit of win.
Time for real change👍
I’m failing to see how anyone “wins” in a no deal scenario
Only if the know it alls didn’t inform the shit for brains….
You really haven't thought that through have you.
@exsee - the problem is that the "know it alls" (the current government) have been shown to be ignorant (possibly willfully) of the consequences - the usual response is "things will be better" but when pressed on this they are unable to provide any evidence or even basic analysis to back it up.
The people I know who voted leave, including family members, didn't vote for economic meltdown.
No problem with change and as the saying goes "you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs" unfortunately those tasked with making the omelette don't even know where the kitchen is and have never made an omelette before.
You really haven’t thought that through have you.
Likely, as I'm easily baffled. TBH I was struggling with some of the concepts in:
Just for balance, I’m hoping for an initial no deal tbh, it’s the only option that allows everyone a bit of win.
Time for real change👍
Just for balance, I’m hoping for an initial no deal tbh, it’s the only option that allows everyone a bit of win.
Just think of the sense of triumph and euphoria when after queuing for 4 hours in the rain on a frigid February morning you return home to your expectant family holding aloft a cabbage.
"self-induced anger"
Ah, get in the bin. Someone shits on your head, it's not self induced when you get angry about it.
What If you keep your head in the sand and someone shits on your head, I say self induced👍
Don't feed the troll, finding it hard to stick to this.
Once again the Bexiteers convince you with their well thought through and convincing reasoning
Isn't the standard answer "You lost! get over it!"
akira, treat it the same as chewkw.
Chances of a run on the pound on Monday if no deal? I suppose I better order a new cassette today before the pound collapses.
Oh christ! The sixth formers all here to derail another thread
Do you think we might possibly keep this one on topic instead of another spirit-crushingly tedious Jeremy Corbyn/socialist thwap-fest?
TBH I expected that response, colour me shocked.
I only brought him up to illustrate a point. You had a similar tantrum after the election, toys flying everywhere accusing everyone of all sorts. But you absolutely refused and still do to acknowledge your role in running down the opposition every single day and then having the cheek/stupidity to moan when the tories got back in. I get the feeling you just like to moan and have nothing intelligent to say on the matter. You're the guy at work that continually finds problems but can't possibly put the same energy into finding a solution or recognising there may be a pragmatic response that may not be exactly what you want but leaves you in a better position.
I couldn't care less which way you vote or where you lie politically but stop running the folk down that are trying to or can do something about it then making an arse of yourself when it all goes pear shaped.
Again... can we keep it on topic please?
I know there's nothing you love more than talking about me, but the rest of us are bored with it.
Keep it for the common room
Frankconway, I know, just hard not to bite in the face of such idiocy. Right, off to poop in a box and post it to number ten.
Chances of a run on the pound on Monday if no deal? I suppose I better order a new cassette today before the pound collapses.
New cassette and a couple of chains just ordered.
I don't need them right now, but it won't be long.
Just being prepared, innit?
Does someone else maybe need them more urgently right now? Maybe, but I got there first. If they really need them and I can last a bit longer, then I might part with them for a +100% mark up.
The market will decide. It's what the Brexies would want.
And an extra order of contact lenses. Again, do I need them right now? Not strictly, but I will need some soon and I don't want to chance it. No lenses = no riding and I don't want that.
Now scale this up to an entire country.
😁 Binners wants reasoned debate 😁 very good, very good indeed.
I always try not to feed him Akira but the mods allow him to trash threads with constant drivel for some reason.
I think an initial no deal will allow a reset for everyone. Then the rebuild can start.
An initial no deal will -
allow the Labour party out of their awkward position.
Reduce pollution
Improve diets
Simplify lives
Wake up the know-it-alls
Remove the bogeyman from under the bed
Reshape our economy
Reshape our politics
We need the no deal spark to set things in motion. Time for real change👍
Consensus on the pound is ‘wait and see’ at the moment while we have a Shroedingers brexit.
When the box gets cracked it’s going to get volatile over the next few weeks and could easily head 3-5% or more in a session if there is a definitive result one way or the other.
I stopped moving money out of the U.K. last week when the Johnson meeting with vdL was planned but before it happened. I’ll start again when the eventual deal gets agreed.
Next stop is either a deal and the pound will be up a decent amount or a definitive ‘No Deal’ and it’s ****ed. Next after that will be an actual deal to allow planes to fly and trucks to drive, Ireland border etc. (Because there is no such thing as a no deal)
I’m not against a short sharp shock of a no deal on Jan 1st. The spivs will make money from it of course but it’s probably the quickest way to an actual deal.
Britain still hasn’t worked out that Europeans will just be selling within Europe instead if U.K. cuts themselves off. ‘No deal’ means ration books but maybe they’ll be blue too to keep the swivel eyes happy.
Improve diets
Simplify lives
On behalf of everyone already balancing eating with heating costs this winter… screw you.
the quickest way to an actual deal.
Quickest being when exactly though? Boris keeps quoting "the Australian Deal" but thats actually still in negotiation 2.5 years after it started. That puts us in the "ration book" scenario until at least 2023 using your example.
Herein lies the issue, unemployment, chaos and being extorted by EU countries for supplies appears to be the only current future from Monday unless a rabbit is pulled from Macron's hat.
On behalf of everyone already balancing eating with heating costs this winter… screw you.
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There are some that won't survive a 'short sharp shock' and the fact it is still just about avoidable makes that unforgivable
There are many many more that will suffer from the long term oppression of the current system. More of the same isn't very appealing to us low wage types👍
That's a powerful vision you got there. I've take the liberty of fine tuning it a little (but still using all your ideas and words):
Reduce lives
Remove the Labour party know-it-alls from under the bogeyman
Simplify the diets
Wake up the awkward Reshape out of their economy position
allow our pollution
Improve our Reshape bed politics
Still struggling with your 'shit for brains' analogy I see baron😨 just think it through, you'll work it out👍
Still struggling with your ‘shit for brains’ analogy I see baron😨 just think it through, you’ll work it out👍
An analogy, you say...
Well there you go, I thought it was an "explanation".
Britons still have to show passports when travelling to Europe – “free movement” is not there for us anyway.
Umm, free movement doesn't mean passport free travel. It's free movement of labour which means you can move from one EU country to another and you have the right to work there. We no longer have that right - now, only the fortunate will be able to move to an EU country. And that permission will be tied to a job and goes away if youose your job, which makes it difficult to move your family because you might all have to move back after you've made your home.
Adding to the ‘ration book’ theory, someone just pointed out what would happen about 30 seconds after the Royal Navy’s first incident with a French trawler.
The entire French fishing fleet would immediately blockade Calais ensuring that absolutely nothing would leave the continent for Dover.
I’m sure Boris will have factored that in before he started lobbing ‘gunboat’ threats around
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More importantly, have you worked it out yet? (By the way there's a typo up there, tee hee. 1 point meeee)
The EU aren't going to allow members to be breaking the law.
Which is exactly what our government threatened to do.
The gunboat thing is weird on two fronts. The first is that we already have fisheries protection, it's one of the things the Navy just always does. (though, the tories cut the service by 25%).
But the other, is that France alone has a navy pretty much exactly equal to ours. Just the French. So the sound of UK sabre rattling would be drowned out pretty quick. Just another humiliation for the UK
Though of course it's all just a sop to the little britain/english exceptionalism crew who like this sort of stupid headline bullshit, that doesn't make it any less feeble. Meanwhile, we are completely dependent on France for our energy future, because of bloody stupid Tory policies over the last several government.
So we end up with a large number of unused French fishing boats, increasingly desperate fishermen and a large number of immigrants after a one way trip to UK. I wonder what will happen next?
Britons still have to show passports when travelling to Europe – “free movement” is not there for us anyway.
However now:
- I can't just go and work in another country, as I could before.
- my kids now can't swap a year at uni or indeed study for free, anywhere in Europe at college or uni, as they could before.
- I can't go on my extended bike tour, as I'm only allowed 90 days in Europe, unless I exit Schengen for 90 days, whereas before I could go for as long as I wanted.
- when I do travel, I'm now in a bigger queue and subject to more intrusive initial screening, what's whereas before I didn't.
- I now need different driving cards/licence/insurance than before when I do travel, whereas before I didn't.
(and more)
Freedom of movement is not just about your holiday. The restrictions are about to really impact my company and our European projects improving education in the UK, my children one of whom had thought about studying abroad and my planned retirement cycling around Europe.
I'm happy to go some more facts to your sunlit uplands vision if you like.
This 'gunboat' red meat trigger word is beyond pathetic, just like when Fatboy dropped the 'blockade' word. I wonder how many express/mail writers and readers had a raging hard on when they wrote/read those headline
Edit: just read that 'creative economic destruction' Jesus christ
Aaron Banks will get his.
He will never be 100% happy even with his millions because he'll always be looking over his shoulder.
Baron, if the know-it-alls erm.. know it all, how did they get it sooooo wrong? I think they might have misjudged things a little, don't you?
They will never admit any responsibility as you will see on these threads, just blame the little people for their perceived lack of education, understanding and trust in the know-it-alls system
Northwind, that doesn't make any sense at all, it's not my gunboat verses yours in the unclaimed sea. Just think of it in terms of traffic cops patrolling the roads. The EU won't allow members to steal from UK just because we don't currently have a deal.
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Those 50 odd STWers who said they’d vote out, only two have posted to say they’ve changed their minds.
I hope you checked my reasoning amongst the 50.
There are many many more that will suffer from the long term oppression of the current system. More of the same isn’t very appealing to us low wage types👍
If you've read any of my posts about why many of the lower paid voted for brexit you'll know I have some empathy and understanding for that. But if you think the people who dreamt up brexit have any interest in helping you impove your income then you're deluded. All it will do is create more lower paid, and further protect the wealth and power of those at the top. The only possible way that brexit will have any benefit for those at the bottom is if things get so bad that the tories lose their support and labour win the next election, and that is extremely unlikely.
They will never admit any responsibility as you will see on these threads, just blame the little people for their perceived lack of education, understanding and trust in the know-it-alls system
When attempted interaction inevitably ends in thick as shit threats of violence what would you suggest?
Unleash energy? I don't think companies will have energy to spare after dealing with all the new red tape.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-55279468
anyone surprised about a substantial funding cut?
Unleash energy? I don’t think companies will have energy to spare after dealing with all the new red tape.
Proper companies that make stuff or sell stuff or do stuff? No chance.
Little groups of spivs making a killing from rigged trades and vulnerable parts of public services? Lovely jubbly, we're in the money etc. Then they'll offshore the lot and leave some other poor sod to pick up the pieces.
If one of them should meet a sticky end at the hands of a destitute former employed person, I think I'd be struggling to find much sympathy.
Nice to see the idea of disaster socialism is alive. Sadly it never works out very well, see North Korea, Cambodia, Russia, etc etc.
Those at the bottom will remain at the bottom, the elite might change but that's about it.
anyone surprised about a substantial funding cut?
Cornwall voted 56% for Leave, so they certainly shouldn't be surprised themselves. 🤷♂️
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Good point about the French fleet who have previous with blockades that I’d forgotten about.
That the leadership here is talking about the 200 mile zone around Britain that includes half of the coastlines of our European friends I’d think it almost an inevitability that it’s going to kick off right away.
Note, it’s only a siege if you’re inside the moat and “we’re not going to sell you our last rotten turnip” isn’t a threat.
Thinking back to the last person I argued about Brexit with in 2016 his argument was that because it was impossible to leave was the exact reason we should.
I still wonder why Britain didn’t enforce the freedom of movement laws to the letter rather than pretending our hands were tied. The UK had amongst the most lax settlement rules of any EU state (because we needed the help) but could easily and unilaterally tightened them to the letter of the law.
You're here to speak for yourself, Eddiebaby. You've already explained yourself and I've not cited you, but if you wish reiterate go ahead. I chose a contribution by someone whose stated reasons for wanting out have been matched by events, and it was the first on the thread.
I'm far from happy with Brexit, I've argued against for as long as it's been a subject. But I don't accept as someone claimed that no-one wanted the Brexit we are living through. Some people stated they wanted what is being delivered and 38% of people polled are still happy to have voted leave.
I've viewed the whole sorry affair through European eyes with European media sources and European friends to chat with. The only person I've had a real-life heated discussion with was a British woman on St James'Way in Spain, a Labour voting Brexit apologist must-respect-the-vote etc.. People here are lucid and well-informed, there's not much to argue about, we all know the score.
So I've seen the reactions to "have cake and eat it" and no the milk maid isn't about to bend over for Britain. There were some people here who were gleeful at the British departure from the outset, a minority, ironically with RN sympathies. Slowly the arrogance and provocation of British politicians has changed disappointment and a sense of loss into good riddance to bad rubbish - and the European heads of state have gone from trying to convince their populations a deal is in their interests to defending their populations from a deal that could endanger European interests and values.
Not surprised at all mrmo, I believe Cornwall (as a recon) was very pro Brexit?
Just another county sold a total crock of sh*t and unfortunately going to find out the lie the hard way.😟
Just another county sold a total crock of sh*t and unfortunately going to find out the lie the hard way.
There's not much else left to do than shrug your shoulders.
"We knew what we were voting for".
"No, you ****ing didn't".
I'd still like you to address my points over free travel.
I too don't disagree that many voted for this, and some still think that it's a Good Thing.
I'm intrigued and want to know why people think this - and how it might impact them (positive and negative).
I disagree, but I'm not dismissive or disparaging.
I do want to hear reasoned thoughts though, not name calling or unsubstantiated declarations.
Show me the one person out of the 17 million that voted for the country to be on its 4th prime minister by the time the ration books got issued in 2021. Anyone who claims this is what they voted for hasn’t done a lot of critical thinking about what they wanted or what is and will happen.
Some people are still convinced its worth it but that’s an entirely different thing - and that number reduces every day.
It’s not inevitable that we still **** everything up.
All the MPs keep voting for idiocy because the idiots keep shouting about how they’ll string them up if they don’t. It’s beyond time for them to be let known that the majority of people now expect them, and will reward them, for being sensible from now for a while.
They really are running rings around the UK Gov team – they can put in place small targeted measures to ease the impact of no trade deal arrangements on 1 January in their own territory. These are just two I have seen spoken about publically – I haven’t got around to reading the EU mitigation plan yet (nest week)
From Day One the EU has been on the front foot because WTO isn't that great a threat as they're mainly selling us goods whereas we're selling them services.
What a load of bollocks. We’ve never worked out anything to do with democracy. The only thing that has happened throughout history is that the rich and powerful have successfully held on to control of economy and the legislature to protect their interests. Every now and again they come under pressure and are forced to listen to the rabble, and brexit is one of those moments. The problem is not extremes of public opinion, it’s that the public aren’t listened to and don’t have any real power.
After WW1 they still kept control and the poor/ordinary still had a hard life. After WW2 they had to give us more. They're getting this back.
When Brexit is unfortunately done, life may not be as we want it for some time, but there are plenty of other independent countries in this world that manage perfectly well. We will too, eventually.
Scottish Independence!
“creative economic destruction”
It's just a process, and Brexit is happens to be the vehicle. They tried Thatcherism, but it didn't take enough from ordinary folk. Austerity worked 'better', but Brexit is working a treat.
Well I had the strangest Brexit conversation with a colleague today.
I am not sure where he was born but he moved to France when he was young and was schooled there and moved to Germany to go to college. He then came to England to study at university and has lived here ever since.
I was very surprised when he told me he voted for Brexit. The reason he gave me was because the HQ is in Belgium and Belgians are pedophiles. I absolutely kid you not. He then went on to say that if the HQ had been elsewhere he would have voted to remain.
That’s still top 3 of the most lucid arguments for Brexit.
Matt, you weren't replying to me as far as I'm aware?
Danny, the know-it-alls need to take a step back and take some responsibility for the system, education takes decades, you can't just point out the facts and expect people to accept and trust with no foundations, the know-it-alls have become well behaved Thatcher children,climbing the ladder as fast as they can while watching others suffer, crying crocodile tears for a fairer society, they know we need real change but they are too busy and too comfortable to really give a shit.. until it looks like they might lose something themselves obvs.
An initial no deal will wake a few up, we need the know-it-alls engaging in society again, fighting for fairness with their big brains👍
I haven’t had a straight answer what 1 and 2 are yet but there must be something
He then went on to say that if the HQ had been elsewhere he would have voted to remain.
Imagine if the HQ had been in the UK… this wouldn’t be happening, would it. It is the mis-“reporting” by a one A Johnson, under his “Boris” pen name, of “us” being “told what to do by Brussels” that got us to where we are now, and him to where he is now.
I haven’t had a straight answer what 1 and 2 are yet but there must be something
Iirc from the other thread, someone's gran was in hospital and a Nigerian nusre was rude to them. Was that one of them?
Exsee says know it alls, by which I thought he meant remainers who've warned of this happening all the way through, but then he seems to have them mixed up with the disaster capitalists who are going to rinse the country for millions then vanish.
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After WW1 they still kept control and the poor/ordinary still had a hard life. After WW2 they had to give us more. They’re getting this back.
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Danny, the know-it-alls need to take a step back and take some responsibility
So do the idiots. Don't know what you're voting for? Easy. Stay at home, don't vote.
This country is full of imbeciles who think that just being born entitles them to their fifteen minutes of fame and no criticism whatsoever. Well, wake up snowflakes. You are going to have the consequences of this stupidity thrown in your faces every single day until someone with a grown up perspective saves you from yourselves and goes back to Brussels on bended knee to beg to be readmitted to the EU as a junior member. You won, get over it.
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Full MemberNot surprised at all mrmo, I believe Cornwall (as a recon) was very pro Brexit?
Nah, 56%. But if 52% is enough to screw a whole country then I suppose 56% is enough to turn an entire county into a smoking crater.
The really ridiculous thing is, people seemed to believe it when the government announced the fund to replace EU money, and cheerfully made their applications thinking they'd get what they were promised. But while EU funding is usually claimed to have been about 2 billion euros, that's from the last budget setting in 2014. Funding was anticipated to reach 4bn euros this year, partly because some left-behind areas were getting poorer and therefore qualifying for more funds, while Rishi Sunak has declared the Shared Prosperity Fund will be £1.5bn, which by any definition is less than the 2 billion euros (and at today's exchange rates, is about 1/6th less)
But not next year, next year there's literally only £220m for the entire country, to "help prepare". And councils and regions are to use that £220m to do pilot schemes and plan for the delivery of the, er, possibly £1.5bn, maybe, we don't actually know how much it will be or how much each region will get but they're to prepare for it. And it looks like it might arrive in 2022 but we don't really know that either but they're to prepare for that too. And of course it won't be backdated for the lost 2 years. And while some funding continues for a fairly long time, there are services, charities, etc that will run out of money in January. Not sure how the £220m helps them prepare for that.
So yeah, you're getting less than the EU gave you. The closest thing to any pretence about that inevitable fact, is just that they've put off announcing anything of substance til it really ought to have already been complete and fully funded and handing out cash, so that you know perfectly well that everyone's going to get the shaft but you can still hope you might not be the worst.
That the leadership here is talking about the 200 mile zone around Britain that includes half of the coastlines of our European friends I’d think it almost an inevitability that it’s going to kick off right away.
It’s only 200 miles where there’s 400 miles or more between two countries, and the navy will know that even if the Dickhead-in-Chief doesn’t.
So it looks like the strategy is No Deal, then try to play the 'we got you the vaccine first card'.
But here's the rub. After securing the vaccine in principle, they're going to **** up the distribution and delivery because they are inept and they're going to tender out a lot of the logistics to their corner-cutting, bullshitting mates.
I'll wager that the vaccine will not have been given to >50% of the population in the UK earlier than the European average.
This lot are so useless they are bound to **** up their golden ticket.