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trouble is you can’t tell whether this is real or a teaser to see if they can get away with it.
European human rights law is not a part of the EU. Its a completely separate entity although its a prerequisite for joining the EU. #We actually wrote most of the declaration of human rights post war. We would have to withdraw from it which would be problematic as its incorporated into the Scotland act which set up Holyrood and cannot be altered without the consent of Holyrood. England could withdraw but the only way Westminster could take Scotland out would be to abolish Holyrood and of course having Scotland in and England out ( dunno the welsh situation) would be utterly ridiculous and unworkable
customs jobs
My betting is that they will be all zero hour G4S contracts.
Not all of them. The customs jobs include such things as all the vets required to validate/sign off on such trivial items as a product containing ham.
Maybe all the retired vets can come and help...
My betting is that they will be all zero hour G4S contracts.
Cool, new Brexit opportunities in smuggling await, I wondered what the upside was going to be 🙂
Not all of them. The customs jobs include such things as all the vets required to validate/sign off on such trivial items as a product containing ham.
Maybe all the retired vets can come and help…
That was never a Customs role for vets when I worked for them. It’s up to the importer to make the correct declaration using a commodity code - (it’s all coming flooding back, I’ll probably end up in a freight channel at Dover now with this level of knowledge 🙁 ) if there’s a concern about mis-declaration a sample would be sent off, no vets involved. I imagine any increased customs role will be in entry processing and to a lesser degree frontier control. Fortunately there’s little infrastructure in place for all that - not sure there’s much full stop in the ports dealing with traffic from RoI, the benefits of being in a single market.
I fear the country will get really rinsed by organised crime moving into the export markets and claiming rebates of taxes and duties for exports. Outside the eu we will have no way of verifying exports and it will be like the early days of carousel fraud and excise fraud in the mid-90s again.
On the plus side - blue passports
The new euphemism is “non negotiated outcome” I understand.
I've got a new euphemism too.
"One who knows their own genitals very closely".
Mind you, 'Brexity' is also a handy euphemism for 'racist halfwit' so.....
Remember how once we were "shackled to the dying EU"? Well we are now almost certainly shackled to Brexit. A place where any rational decisions or even compassion are sacrificed in pursuit of ideology.
I don't care how you voted. Can anyone justify this?
https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1234242149530656768
That was never a Customs role for vets when I worked for them.
Fair enough. Just heard a vet who had that role talking about it on radio the other day.
We are going to need four times as many vets as regards exporting as currently… and at the moment a huge proportion of the current workforce are EU nationals. That increase isn’t part of the 50,000… that’s just customs officials, isn't it? One way around the vet shortage is not to have any additional sanitary and phytosanitary checks for EEA exports… by not exporting… and just retiring half our farmers, and nearly all of our seafood industry… which is starting to look like a possibility.
Anyway… the USA trade talks are being bigged up again, to try and, er, balance up the EU trade talks… except all they really do is make an EU deal harder for little gain…
https://twitter.com/davidheniguk/status/1234376061527429121?s=21
This is not chaos, this is not unplanned.
The people who paid to get this govt elected are making a mint every time the £ fluctuates, or share prices dive.
Couple of stories I've seen in the right wing press over the weekend make me wonder if the penny is finally dropping about what Brexit and the GE result are actually going to mean. Too late now, obviously
This should keep the Brexiteers happy...
^^^^
Ha ha ha.
They're going to need to really scrub the ceiling to get all the little bits of gammon off after the explosion.
European human rights law is not a part of the EU. Its a completely separate entity although its a prerequisite for joining the EU. #We actually wrote most of the declaration of human rights post war
One of the UK contributors to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights was Johnson's grandfather, who later became a member of the European Commission of Human Rights and then its president.
^^^
Yeah, but then the grandson spotted an opportunity for self advancement by hitching his wagon to the Brexity train and the rest, as they say, is history.
A ramshackle coalition of idiots and xenophobes led by an arch opportunist.
And everyone else is along for the ride.
Cosmic.
USA! USA! USA!
https://twitter.com/damocrat/status/1234424819824971778?s=21
https://twitter.com/adambienkov/status/1234417455960817664?s=21
Just seen this:
The US has also specified it wants to be able to veto the UK's ability to strike deals with "non-market economies" meaning the likes of China
Taking back control eh?
Apologies if this has been mentioned previously,
https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1233094625809838080
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1233094625809838080.html
Taking back control eh?
And the EU will want a veto on us giving any other country/block preferential access that we haven’t given them.
The big squeeze is coming.
The big squeeze is coming.
In the short term the hedge funds and currency traders clean up.
In the medium to long term the outsourcing zero hours contract offering spivs clean up.
Meanwhile Joe Public is shafted and ends up picking up the tab anyway when the under-tendered services fail and the bosses take a bonus anyway.
That's the market for you. I love it when people miss out a crucial thing about 'the market' being the ultimate arbiter. Namely if you already have a big wad of cash you can (and will) manipulate said 'market' to your own advantage, which is often not for the greater good.
The big squeeze is coming.
The problem is that Brexit has acquired a Get Out of Jail Free card called Coronavirus.
All economic downturn, recession etc is just going to be blamed on that. Reasons for not being able to negotiate a deal? Yeah, we couldn't travel to Brussels and have large meetings.
Nothing to do with lack of negotiation skills and power, oh no...
The Sardine Wars are coming…
https://twitter.com/peterjukes/status/1235267307712151552?s=21
(although, if your catch is molluscs or crustaceans, no Navy can save you from having no market)
At last have a use for an aircraft carrier with no aircraft.
They can mend nets on the deck.
A navy in name only thanks to successive govs failing to invest adequately in enhancing capability; we haven't even maintained capability; successive govs have wilfully and deliberately reduced capability.
More empty posturing by johnson and his acolytes.
Pathetic.
The UK currently has 4 fishery protection vessels to patrol 300,000 nautical square miles - assuming 2 are at sea at any one time, then that's 150,000 square miles each day, every day - assuming a speed of 20knots, a patrol 'reach' of 10km, it would take approximately 2,500 hours to patrol, or they'd do 3 passes in a year....
But remember, these are British fishery protection vessels so they will always be up to the task. It is naysayers like you who are ruining all of this.
Surely the nation can replicate the Spirit of Dunkirk and send a fleet of small boats into the channel to defend the nation?
I'm picturing Mark Francois at the bow of a cockling boat, wrapped in a union jack and singing Land of Hope and Glory as he impales a Spanish trawler captain on a rolled up Daily Mail
It is naysayers like you who are ruining all of this.
I find your lack of faith disturbing.
I’m picturing Mark Francois at the bow of a cockling boat, wrapped in a union jack and singing Land of Hope and Glory as he impales a Spanish trawler captain on a rolled up Daily Mail
I hope they've put something heavy at the back of the boat to counterbalance that useless fat knacker.
Plenty of planes available now.
New Passports aren't even Blue!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-51737116
The Met Office are considering locating their new super-duper-puter somewhere where they can take advantage of green energy and cooling "stuff".
Somewhere like Iceland. Linky.
Taking back control.
Fishing rights.
Iceland.
Cod wars.
Weather forecasts.
Taking back control.
Cod wars.
Iceland.
Weather forecasts.
Unicorns.
Etc.
Someone needs to do a Carry on Brexit film.....
Boris has got it pencilled in for when he's finished his Benny Hill reboot for ITV2
New Passports aren’t even Blue!
The Home Office has issued pictures of the post-Brexit passport, describing it as a return to the "iconic blue" used for UK passports before 1988.
"I'd say it's black," says Stephen Westland, professor of colour science and technology at the University of Leeds.
Pah! Experts.... Who needs experts? We've had enough of experts.
Etc.
I've just renewed my passport and smallest child's passport also, going to be posted in the next week... shall we run a book on what colour we get? I hope they are both burgundy...
Ed - Black!
I'm going to imagine for a moment how much £4bn could have bought in flood defenses, Northern rail links, nurses or school resources.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51762243
Opportunity cost? 🤦
Even more damming is the fact that there is very little detail on how that money was spent.
I hope they’ve put something heavy at the back of the boat to counterbalance that useless fat knacker
I don't.
Also I'm imagining the encounter with the trawler captain going mostly the other way.
Can but hope.
Interesting that the EU couldn't make up for that massive drop in international nurses.
It takes time. It was increasing year on year. And it would have by now if we hadn’t voted to make them feel unwelcome.
I fully expect that by 2030 non-EU incomers will make up for the lack of EU staff… but the next 5-10 years are going to be _______ squeaky bum time in nursing homes and hospitals up and down the UK as regards Nursing recruitment.
They could just pay nurses £50k a year starting salary, I'm sure we'd get a load of new people starting training asap. Surely that'd fit right in with Tory values on market economics?
Again, still a lag. Who fills the gaps this year and the next (and the next) (and the next) (and the next)? Lots of ways to sort staffing issues in the longer term, and as I said, filling the gaps by 2030 is entirely doable (and hopefully will be done) but that is of no use to those staffing nursing homes and hospitals in the years in front of us now. The worry is that current staffing issues are about to be made clear to a lot more people (crossing the streams with the other thread again).
Along with a massive drop in EU nurses there, there's a (much smaller) steady rise of non-EU staff.
I wonder which countries they might possibly be coming from and whether that's what our brexity friends voted for.
Along with a massive drop in EU nurses there, there’s a (much smaller) steady rise of non-EU staff.
I wonder which countries they might possibly be coming from and whether that’s what our brexity friends voted for.
Our Brexity friends were either voting for:
Less foreigners. Nope, just different foreigners.
Or
Less brown people. Extra fail, as it will probably mean more.
Or
Not a ****ing clue, but some sepia-tinted image of a golden age that never really existed (where, of course, 99% of the people in the photo just happened to be white).
Sometimes they say the third option to disguise the fact that it is really the second.
At least the North is getting all those billions of investment..... Or has just been postponed?
At least the North is getting all those billions of investment….. Or has just been postponed?
Easy Tiger, there's £350m a week for the NHS first.
Funny isn't it? The only people who have actually had a Brexit Dividend so far have been the DUP as they were the ones who had to be bribed at the time. And they have since been thrown under the bus.
It is a bit like a kleptocracy.
There's plenty of currency speculators and hedge fund managers who will have had one almighty Brexit Dividend already. But that will be a mere aperitif to the main course they'll be gorging on when we crash out with no deal at the end of the year
Sod your northern investment and £350m for the nhs, the tory ballsack alister jack has promised us a tunnel to ireland and he'd better not let us down, bridges are so last century.
I hope they are both burgundy…
You can buy covers for passports.
Mine is bright blue with European Citizen in yellow.
To allow for upsurge in steam engine production?
Free jet packs for everyone!
“One of the things we’ll want to do is be particularly forward-leaning in technology and automation
Yep the t word that they keep on coming up with.
It’s mind bending how many things ‘we’ will actually be leaving and I did have to laugh when when recently heard the clown prince saying they’d ‘got Brexit done’.
He does like to re-iterate that ‘done’.
Technology? The solution to everything.
Good job the track record of government IT projects is so impressive.
A mate was working as a consultant for one of the larger government departments. He noted that we’ll no longer be able to use the EU IT infrastructure we do at present once we’ve left, so all those systems will need to be replicated.
They haven’t even started.
I’m sure it’ll all be fine. It’s sure to all be in place by December and completed at a reasonable cost
So… does this mean we’ll some how out pace technological advancement in Germany, or Holland… by not sharing air safety standards with them? Anyone have any idea how that’ll work? Is this on behalf of UK or USA companies do we think…?
They could just pay nurses £50k a year starting salary, I’m sure we’d get a load of new people starting training asap. Surely that’d fit right in with Tory values on market economics?
Yes - they always talk about private companies needing to pay the best money to attract the best skills.
But market economics only apply one way to the state. And that's the bottom line.
One of the areas where nursing vacancies are most alarming is private nursing homes… it’s not just the public sector where this is an issue… deterring EEA nurses from working here before putting in plan a place to recruit/train alternatives is damaging care for people across the country… and not just in NHS hospitals.
My friend's wife is a director of one of the Government's favoured IT providers to HMRC - apart from the nation's shortage of software engineers and the bit of a mess that having to onshore dedicated data centres from the EU back to the UK, I'm sure that it will all go swimmingly.
On a more general note, the chronic technical skills deficit across all sectors will help immensely in terms of "new technology" and businesses looking to invest in the UK - unless of course they'll recruit and retrain all those let go by Nissan, Airbus and the like, but who the heck is going to pay for it when you've just walked away from your biggest accessible market.
^^ Yeah,I read the BBC report on this earlier.
It comes across as the government ignoring any organisation in the know on what is purely ideological grounds.
We really are heading for the hardest best possible aren't we? At any cost.
Everything must be sacrificed on the alter of Brexit.
The predictions of ‘Project Fear’ are presently looking like a best case scenario.
God only knows what these Disaster Capitalists have got lined up for what’s looking like the inevitable meltdown we’ve got awaiting us at the end of the year. They certainly won’t be wasting a good crisis
It’s mind bending how many things ‘we’ will actually be leaving and I did have to laugh when when recently heard the clown prince saying they’d ‘got Brexit done’.
When and where will they draw the line on ‘us’ leaving things, and rejecting the idea of supranational rules and laws and being signatories to international agreements?
https://twitter.com/davidheniguk/status/1236369270965252098?s=21
I’d like to see these as just examples of how the logic used for withdrawing from shared bodies is flawed… but since 2016 I’ve learned to not rule out such nonsense actually happening for real, if there is political capital to be gained in doing so. For example, prominent Vote Leave campaigners claiming that we wouldn’t withdraw from Erasmus, that we wouldn’t leave the Single Market, that rEU citizens living here would automatically keep the same rights as they had while we were a member… etc… this project, that swept this Vote Leave team to power, appears to be an ever expanding and worsening rejection of all existing joint National schemes and arrangements… all.
The most worrying aspect is that once ‘we’ withdraw from everything, the people presently in government hand themselves a blank sheet of paper to write the new rules.
Do you want this lot writing all the rules?
The new UK constitution, brought to you by Dominic Cummings
The most worrying aspect is that once ‘we’ withdraw from everything, the people presently in government hand themselves a blank sheet of paper to write the new rules.
I don’t think they’ll actually be able to follow thru with it ,how many people is it going to require to set up and run the new stuff that we’re gonna need like yesterday.
I don’t think they’ll actually be able to follow thru with it ,how many people is it going to require to set up and run the new stuff that we’re gonna need like yesterday.
‘Technology’ (in reality = unicorns if you are capable of independent thought, but....well, you know).
Then when the unicorns don’t show up you blame unpatriotic civil servants.
The key thing to remember, a large enough proportion of their target audience are actual morons. Why change a winning formula?
dannyh
The key thing to remember, a large enough proportion of their target audience are actual morons. Why change a winning formula?
You can't really blame them. Recent tests on Leavers have shown that many were afflicted by a previously unknown illness originating in the north of England.
Novel Moronavirus-16 - longterm symptoms similar to Mad Cow disease and a propensity to swallow bullshit.
Plenty of middle England southern t**ts already had that virus....
The most worrying aspect is that once ‘we’ withdraw from everything, the people presently in government hand themselves a blank sheet of paper to write the new rules.
And when you combine that with aviation regulation things end up in burning piles of twisted metal and bodies.
oldmanmtb2
Member
Plenty of middle England southern t**ts already had that virus….
Correct. This is not a northern or southern issue.
I'm in Kent and as a Labour voter I've always felt like I'm in hostile territory.
It's just even more hostile these days.
We have burgundy for both !! small victories, small victories
Don't start me on Govt technology - main problem being that the govt doesn't know what it wants and doesn't understand technology in any meaningful way in order to get a product that might work.
The only logical solution is to wait for Boris to completely fold when it gets to crunch time (like he did in that meeting with Varadkar) and we end up in a CU but with a daft name to make out like we are getting what we wanted all along to sell it to the tabloids
the govt doesn’t know what it wants and doesn’t understand technology in any meaningful way in order to get a product that might work.
This is true. Because the civil service doesn't pay well, and only attracts people who want a safe easy job with a short commute. These people aren't always the best most clued up talent, and they can very easily get done over by predatory firms.
My friend’s wife is a director of one of the Government’s favoured IT providers to HMRC
I would be surprised it makes much difference for one of the big companies. They aint exactly a fan of onshore resources in the main.
This is true. Because the civil service doesn’t pay well, and only attracts people who want a safe easy job with a short commute
How do you account for GDS? Whilst I am not a particular fan of their approach it has been fairly aggressive and innovative in user facing government services.
The problem really comes down to any major IT project. Its very hard to define requirements in a useful way and then equally hard to build something.
The difference between government and private sector large IT projects is you hear a lot more about government failures whereas the private sector only tend to appear in the specialist press or in horror stories amongst friends.
The problem really comes down to any major IT project. Its very hard to define requirements in a useful way and then equally hard to build something.
That is why the working model is so shit, because it makes it hard. And the reason you hear so much about government stories is that a) it's our money and b) they are often for helping the vulnerable and needy e.g. NHS, DWP which means it's more than just a company's commercial reputation at stake.
I had not heard about GDS, but this looks like a really good idea, and something I'd been thinking about for ages. Glad to hear it seems to be having a positive effect.