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@stumpy01 - me too. I have been getting this for a week or so (not just this thread)


 
Posted : 05/02/2020 11:07 am
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I think it's something to do with deleted posts not being recognised somewhere...


 
Posted : 05/02/2020 11:11 am
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Is it coincidence that BJ decides to mention a Japan deal and highlight the UK's commitment to electric vehicles when Nissan, maker of one of the best selling electric vehicles, are making noises?

Much as I like the idea of the Nissan Leaf (or Micra) becoming "The People's Car" for new Free Democratic Republic of the Goodish Britain, I have my doubts.

Other non-FT coverage I read seemed a lot less optimistic and had a lot more caveats and guard terms in there.

Examples from The Gruaniad:

The contingency plan is said to be one of several drawn up in preparation for post-Brexit tariffs and was drafted before Makoto Uchida...
...Nissan denied having made such a plan, however, and said its Sunderland plant would be under threat along with its European operations if the UK fails to ensure tariff-free access to the EU market.
..A Nissan spokesman said on Monday: “We deny such a contingency plan exists. We’ve modelled every possible ramification of Brexit and the fact remains that our entire business both in the UK and in Europe is not sustainable in the event of WTO [World Trade Organization] tariffs."

..David Bailey, the professor of industrial strategy at Aston Business School, said ..
“It’s one possible response to the hard Brexit scenario but I don’t think it’s a feasible plan.

Bailey said it was unlikely Nissan could gain the 20% market share cited as a key requirement for the Japanese carmaker to gamble on focusing its efforts in the UK.


 
Posted : 05/02/2020 2:19 pm
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All I think I can take from the Nissan coverage is that lots of people seem to be playing games by briefing/leaking one way, then denying but still having seen what the reaction might be.

Ah, politics on the Trumpian model, it all about the deal.


 
Posted : 05/02/2020 2:35 pm
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Looks like the nasty EU is punishing us again.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/02/05/galileo_uk_clause

Wonder how many leavers would consider their satnav stopping working as a "price worth paying" to just leave?


 
Posted : 05/02/2020 3:37 pm
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Having to navigate with a tattered A-Z would seem suitably fitting.


 
Posted : 05/02/2020 3:43 pm
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It would also provide a boom to map makers and a return to the glory days of UK driving holidays where coaches used to stop at local pubs and coach houses for a leg stretch.


 
Posted : 05/02/2020 3:55 pm
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Wonder how many leavers would consider their satnav stopping working as a “price worth paying” to just leave?
have you even read the article you linked to? 😂 cos that is not wot it sez

It would also provide a boom to map makers and a return to the glory days of UK driving holidays where coaches used to stop at local pubs and coach houses for a leg stretch.
sadly the Roman Galley (near me) as made famous in OF&H day out to Margate is long gone 😭


 
Posted : 05/02/2020 4:00 pm
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Turns out my van insurers won't now let me drive to europe on work business. they've decided that they require green cards to take vehicles to the EU now (their decision, internet is ambiguous as to how this applies pre/post transition period, but they've put their mark in the sand on this issue), however, they don't insure vehicles using a green card for business use. therefore, i can't take my van to the EU on work trips.

Handily, on Saturday I was due to drive to Madrid. And now need to quickly find a work-around on how I'm going to get there with my colleagues and our equipment (as well as change ferry bookings etc).

**** Brexit.


 
Posted : 05/02/2020 7:22 pm
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New green card rules don’t kick in ‘till after the transition period. Have you got a link to your insurers’ statement on this issue? Worth having a few people read it to see if it really does stop you doing what you say this year.

Needing dedicated insurance to take your work vehicle to the EU (and take professional equipment and have liability cover and medical cover) next year will very likely be a thing. Anything that goes wrong will be vastly more expensive and difficult for your insurer then, so it’s different cover to what we’ve been used to. Think about taking your van to Africa to do work now…


 
Posted : 05/02/2020 8:48 pm
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@hungry monkey

May be worth contacting this lot and seeing if you can insure your van in Spain for a short period.

https://www.libertyexpatriates.es/freedom-service-UK

Effectively your insure the van in Spain.

Does look odd that your existing company won’t cover it.


 
Posted : 06/02/2020 8:00 am
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Even if there is a straightforward cock up or over zealous policy on the fly by hungry monkey's insurer the question is:

How many more examples of this totally unnecessary confusion are going on right now? How many missed deliveries? Lost contracts? Bad will created?

It doesn't really matter if the individual businesses are right or wrong, the confusion will lead to delays, lost business etc.

And for what?

Blue passports, ****ing brilliant.


 
Posted : 06/02/2020 9:57 am
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We're going to have to get used to all sorts of nonsense like this that we've just taken for granted before. 'We' just voted for a shit-load more needless bureaucracy and form-filling

Just wait until the gammons start getting hit with the huge roaming charges that the EU did away with, when they get back from Benidorm

We'll never hear the end of it. None of it will be their own fault, obviously


 
Posted : 06/02/2020 10:04 am
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Remainers rules for dealing with someone complaining about the effects of Brexit.

First ask if they voted to Leave.

If they answer 'yes', shrug shoulders and walk away.

If they answer 'no' ask them if they know anyone who did. If they answer yes, tell them to go and berate them.

If they answer 'no' then say something sympathetic....then shrug shoulders and walk away.


 
Posted : 06/02/2020 11:52 am
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‘We’ just voted for a shit-load more needless bureaucracy and form-filling

I have mates who sincerely believed all the spin that "the EU is needless rules and bureaucracy" and are/were convinced that leaving will cut all this 'red-tape' away.

I'm pretty sure exactly the opposite thing will happen. And the more I hear about the UK not having to align with EU standards, the more I am convinced.


 
Posted : 06/02/2020 12:26 pm
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I have mates who sincerely believed all the spin that “the EU is needless rules and bureaucracy” and are/were convinced that leaving will cut all this ‘red-tape’ away.

I’m pretty sure exactly the opposite thing will happen. And the more I hear about the UK not having to align with EU standards, the more I am convinced.

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Of course in many instances the inconvenienced customer will say "Don't worry, this uncertainty will soon pass and we will work something out".

In many others, though, the customer will say "Never mind, we have made alternative arrangements and it turns out their service is almost as good as yours, so thanks for your cooperation over the last x years, but we are going to have to go our separate ways".

Bollocks to Brexit.


 
Posted : 06/02/2020 12:49 pm
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Just wait until the gammons start getting hit with the huge roaming charges that the EU did away with, when they get back from Benidorm

On this at least, the major providers have all said they have no plans to reintroduce roaming charges. For now, anyway.


 
Posted : 06/02/2020 1:08 pm
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Importantly… from next year your supplier can be charged much more by the network you use when roaming… as that is the key cap that matters… if for marketing reasons your supplier spreads that cost over all the services they provide, rather than pass it on transparently in a roaming charge… well that’s all very wise PR on their part… but bills will go up.


 
Posted : 06/02/2020 1:45 pm
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On this at least, the major providers have all said they have no plans to reintroduce roaming charges. For now, anyway.

Well we haven’t really left yet So they can’t 🙂 but after we’re really out they’ll sneak the costs up, was always a great money maker roaming 🙂


 
Posted : 06/02/2020 8:14 pm
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Let's be fair the european parliament isn't going to be helping with getting a deal through at the moment.
I hate it but I suspect we will have a minimal bare bones agreement on keeping planes flying etc and then maybe a Canada style agreement after that.
by insisting on dynamic alignment and signing up to the fisheries agreement it feels like the government will just take the excuse of blaming it on the foreigners and go full tilt for no deal whatever the cost.


 
Posted : 06/02/2020 8:50 pm
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There's got to be some upsides, even if it takes some time.

Trouble is I really can't see the current govt being competent enough to steer policy suitably because it doesn't look like they're listening to anyone, especially the Civil Service.


 
Posted : 06/02/2020 8:57 pm
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There’s got to be some upsides, even if it takes some time.

There are indeed massive upsides!

If you're a currency speculator, hedge fund manager, wanabee sweatshop owner or multinational tax dodger

For the rest of us.... not so much

it doesn’t look like they’re listening to anyone, especially the Civil Service.

Right from the off this hads been a far right neoliberal idealogical project, driven entirely by dogma. Trivial things like reality aren't allowed to make any unwelcome appearences


 
Posted : 06/02/2020 9:03 pm
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Is it only French media reporting that there was strop off Guernsey earlier in the week as Brexit briefly stopped French boats fishing around Guernsey. I reckon we should just demand Guernsey and Jersey be handed over in exchange for something in the trade negotiations.

https://www.20minutes.fr/societe/2710899-20200204-brexit-pecheurs-francais-autorises-revenir-guernesey


 
Posted : 06/02/2020 9:11 pm
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Ed - i pg11.
That & torygraph biz are only papers I've seen today.


 
Posted : 06/02/2020 9:21 pm
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Trouble is I really can’t see the current govt being competent enough to steer policy suitably

Well that's just it. We are experiencing a double whammy - we're having to negotiate the most incredibly difficult and tricky thing the country has done since the war, and we've got the least competent leadership in living memory to try and do it.


 
Posted : 06/02/2020 10:34 pm
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He's not saying anything that isn't blindingly obvious in this article, nor anything that wasn't blindingly obvious in 2016, but still:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/feb/07/brexit-regulation-britain-eu-agencies-sajid-javid


 
Posted : 07/02/2020 3:22 pm
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I reckon we should just demand Guernsey and Jersey be handed over in exchange for something in the trade negotiations.

I see you have forgotten about Alderney (the only true Channel Island) and the other, smaller islands. Good, although I would take significant schadenfreude at the idea of Brecqhou being handed over to the French given the Barclay's pet paper's opposition to the EU.


 
Posted : 07/02/2020 3:28 pm
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Maybe he was being Sarkastic?


 
Posted : 07/02/2020 3:39 pm
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Maybe he was being Sarkastic?

It'll be a cold day in St Helier before we give the channel islands to France.


 
Posted : 07/02/2020 6:08 pm
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Sarkastic?

That deserves a round of applause.


 
Posted : 07/02/2020 6:11 pm
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Chatting to people living and working on the islands, about how little concern was shown for them during the EU debate, was embarrassing. We’re selfish arses in England, aren’t we.


 
Posted : 07/02/2020 6:14 pm
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The Channel Islands aren’t part of the UK tho.


 
Posted : 07/02/2020 6:30 pm
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I am being told again and again that with out our money the E.U. is finished and they need us way more than we need them. This is from a successful business man.

I don’t agree and got royally patronised.


 
Posted : 07/02/2020 6:40 pm
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The Channel Islands aren’t part of the UK tho.

Yes. But personally I thought my 'St Helier' pun deserved better.


 
Posted : 07/02/2020 6:56 pm
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The Channel Islands aren’t part of the UK tho.

Which is why they didn’t get a vote, despite their status being dependent on us being in the EU. It’s worse than Gibraltar in a way… they at least got a vote (not that they were listened to).

my ‘St Helier’ pun

I enjoyed it.


 
Posted : 07/02/2020 7:08 pm
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The Channel Islands were already part of the Duchy of Normandy when Willie One invaded in 1066, so technically we belong to them...


 
Posted : 07/02/2020 7:12 pm
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*tuts* Sarkasmus !

Crown dependancy tax havens:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-jersey-48354081

However Mr Christensen said that the EU system was "flawed from the start", and that they would not blacklist it's own members or their dependencies.

An EU Commission spokesperson said that, by international standards, no member state can be described as a tax haven and the criteria for non-EU countries is the same.

No financial passport until the lot are shut down if I were Barnier.


 
Posted : 07/02/2020 7:23 pm
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I am being told again and again that with out our money the E.U. is finished and they need us way more than we need them. This is from a successful business man.

The easiest way around this is to not equate "successful" with logic or intelligence.


 
Posted : 07/02/2020 7:46 pm
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Yep it's a cunning plan:

Phase 1: talk about Brexit until people are thoroughly sick of hearing about it.
Phase 2: get elected on the promise that you'll make it all go away.
Phase 3: stop talking about Brexit and cook up any deals you like while no one is looking.


 
Posted : 10/02/2020 11:41 am
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Ah, the job creating Freeports canard is back. See the other thread. We had them while in the EU… all the new trade deals the EU had arranged, and had in the pipeline, made them an anachronism… so they died off… the government let the legislation lapse that would enable more. There’s still lots of them in the EU, but they’re dropping out of use as well… due to all the new FTAs that the EU is signing around the world, which enable, er, free trade.

Welcoming back freeports is like welcoming the government giving out gas masks, having just deliberately used poisonous gas on its own population (in the hope that some of it’ll float over the channel and Irish Sea to show those foreigners who now has control).


 
Posted : 10/02/2020 11:52 am
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alcolepone, the thread will fire back into life when johnson announces the gov decision on HS2 which is likely to be this week.


 
Posted : 10/02/2020 12:17 pm
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Right from the off this hads been a far right neoliberal idealogical project, driven entirely by dogma. Trivial things like reality aren’t allowed to make any unwelcome appearences

I'm somewhat waiting for the Commonwealth option ... should be fun watching as the nation with the largest GDP explains why they should be in charge and why the want FOM.


 
Posted : 10/02/2020 12:43 pm
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I see Boris's "bird" and his main "bitch" (sorry I know a bit 70s) are having a do over what Bojos next cabinet should look like?

Dont get elected if you want control, just lead the PM round by his knob and squeeze his balls....

Sorry apologies


 
Posted : 10/02/2020 7:46 pm
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Oldman - never apologise for being honest and truthful.


 
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