Saw an open door and ran like ****
Yeah, had to find an excuse to launch himself off the sinking ship.
Shame it wasn't a real submarine and he escaped through the torpedo tube
Starmer should be shouting from the rooftops about the disaster5 that brexit is
Totally disagree. Keeping his mouth shut on brexit, and in particular his own tragic role in it, is one of the few things Starmer has got right.
Either he is fed up of taking Johnsons flak or he is refusing to bash his head against the wall any more
Or another possibility.... he sees Johnson currently weak and a good time to pile pressure on him. According to the link :
"Frost's resignation had been prompted by the introduction of additional COVID-19 measures, including COVID passes, a broader discontent with tax rises and the cost of 'net zero' environmental policies."
I can't see a reason to doubt the accuracy of that claim.
Now is a good time for pandemic and climate change deniers who want low taxes to strike at Johnson.
That smacks to me of an excuse.
You don't think he really is bothered about additional covid restrictions, higher taxes, and net zero?
They are certainly issues which bother a lot of Tory MPs on the Thatcherite right of the party.
You don’t think he really is bothered about additional covid restrictions, higher taxes, and net zero?
His job is to deliver brexshit. Tax and climate change are not his brief. If he is so filled with tory zeal, why not release a statement?
Tax and climate change are not his brief.
Someone needs to tell him that. All the major news providers are reporting that he has resigned due to opposition to covid restrictions, tax and spending, and net zero.
And he has certainly been playing a long game in getting his excuses in - 6 months ago :
I'm agreeing with Ernie now - I'm thinking he's a disillusioned right wing nutter abandoing the ship so they can get on with the race to the bottom they really want.
Whether or not he is quitting primarily for the reported reasons, the timing is the only thing that matters. He feels that Johnson is a dead man walking, and needs to try to get as far away from the stink as possible in order to retain some influence.
Obviously he's not going to list Brexit as another of those reasons, why should he? But it should also be noted that the next tranche of unwelcome customs changes are incoming in a couple of weeks, unless there is another humiliating grovel to Brussels for a further grace period - by him.
According to the FT there is also this :
It is understood Johnson is no longer seeking the immediate axing of the European Court of Justice from its role in enforcing the so-called Northern Ireland protocol. Such a move would undermine the negotiating position of Frost, who has been a vocal critic of the ECJ.
Johnson is going a bit soft.
I’m agreeing with Ernie now – I’m thinking he’s a disillusioned right wing nutter abandoning the ship so they can get on with the race to the bottom they really want.
Maybe he'll pop up on GB News...
It does annoy me though when people can leave a job they've spent the last few years totally ****ing up and fall upwards to do the same elsewhere. Mind you, the EU thought he was a clueless pillock so maybe negotiations about some sort of "associate membership" of CU and SM might get somewhere now.
Johnson is going a bit soft.
It's the pragmatism that kills you in the end.
I thought Frost's entire 'negotiating position' was to claim a big boy signed the NI Protocol and then ran away?
Thats where I think the true position lies - Frost knows the belligerence on brexit will not work and reported that back and was told " no surrender" so quit
The ECJ has to remain the arbitrator - thats a legal necessity for the EU
Frost knows the belligerence on brexit will not work and reported that back and was told ” no surrender” so quit
So you disagree with the FT and think it's Frost that has gone soft on the ECJ?
The minute Johnson conceded on fishing rights & now the ECJ frosts leverage evaporated
Context - I was told by sources in recent weeks that Frost was told PM did’t want to trigger Article 16 or make ECJ jurisdiction on protocol a red line. So perhaps this parting of ways on more than tax rises and Plan B…
— Beth Rigby (@BethRigby) December 18, 2021
T.CO I wonder if he'll give his peerage back? He's abandoned his post at a time of crisis.
THEGUARDIAN.COM So you disagree with the FT and think it’s Frost that has gone soft on the ECJ?
I do wonder just how many people within the Tory Party know that it's a total utter disaster, it's far bigger than they ever imagined and they've not even begun to grasp the full implications of it but obviously can't admit that.
There's only so long the "it's the evil EU to blame" line will work and it also carries the minor downside that we still need to work with the evil EU to see it all through so there's a limit to how much you can tell that lie. Not that that's ever really stopped Johnson in the past...
Anyway, Frost doesn't have a lot to negotiate any more, the UK has taken back control by err... ceding most of its control.
So you disagree with the FT and think it’s Frost that has gone soft on the ECJ?
I think Frost is intelligent enough to know the game is up and to understand that the EU cannot concede of the ECJ - it would mean rewriting basic EU law. frost was also originally a remainer and understands enough about the EU to know this demand cannot be met
My view is he is bailing because he knows its only going to end in further embarrassment and he has had enough of trying to do the impossible
I think Frost is intelligent enough to know the game is up and to understand that the EU cannot concede of the ECJ – it would mean rewriting basic EU law.
So why is the FT suggesting the opposite to their readers?
Johnson is a paternalistic Tory and he's being surrounded by the right wing libertarians who despise state intervention.
That's my 2p worth.
I have no idea Ernie - nor can I read that link!
I think Frost has been looking for an excuse to quit for a while.
I wonder what titan will now replace Frost That Lost?
Doesn't really matter to a large degree as since America made it clear that triggering article 16 would be a very naughty thing to do, they will have the negotiating power of a gnat.
nor can I read that link!
You need to figure out how, they do it so that if you are really crafty you can read without paying. There's more ways than one and if you persist you can read most articles.
Brexit minister Lord Frost quits UK government
— Financial Times (@FT) December 18, 2021
Readable link from Twitter
Brexit minister Lord David Frost has quit the UK government in the latest blow to Boris Johnson’s authority. The cabinet minister’s departure from government during such an intense period of negotiations with Brussels is likely to increase Eurosceptic fears that Johnson is capitulating on post-Brexit trade arrangements in Northern Ireland. It is understood Johnson is no longer seeking the immediate axing of the European Court of Justice from its role in enforcing the so-called Northern Ireland protocol. Such a move would undermine the negotiating position of Frost, who has been a vocal critic of the ECJ.
Bet Frosty won't be resigning from his seat in the House of Lords though will he?
Remainer becomes an arch-Brexiter in exchange for a seat in the Lords, repudiates the “amazing deal” he negotiated, then makes the ECJ a red line in NI only to abandon it…
And then claims that he's resigning on principles and because his negotiating position is compromised?! Funny cos I thought we held all the cards at the negotiating table...
Honestly, these people are so far beyond satire now.
I think Frost has been looking for an excuse to quit for a while.
Frost is a grade a brexit fruitcake.
He isnt some innocent civil servant trying to desperately improvise a parachute after being thrown out of the plane.
He is one of the idiots who set fire to the parachute and lobbed it out of the plane before jumping out headlong after it.
Frost was a committed remainer and pro european before he took this role on
Spent the day at my brexity parents, was shocked to see how much even my Boris idolising sister in law has turned against bozo, obviously now she's saying she'll ignore any lockdown rules he enforces
I wonder what titan will now replace Frost That Lost?
Give Liz Truss a go. That would be entertaining.
Liz would be like the sequel...
Hangover 2...
More tapes incoming…
Christ, can they get more dysfunctional?
It's ok, that a rhetorical question.
'Clean Global Brexit' - at least that confirms the suspicion that leaving the planet is the aim here.
I don't quite understand why david frost is a thing, he was just a sacrificial pawn at best.
Give Liz Truss a go. That would be entertaining.
if I was a disinterested bystander where it would have absolutely no impact on me hell yes.
Unfortunately not so much in this case.
I do like comedy when I can listen or even, in times long ago, attend a gig. I am not a great fan when I wake up and its still happening.
Lol they're imploding.
The Brexit brigade just want to watch the world burn for the reasons elaborated by Marcus Fysh on their private chat.
More tapes incoming…
Staffers taped taking the piss out of the PM's sexual history? Whatever next...?
Great quote from 'the EU' - when the temperature rises, frost melts.
This is what happens when you promise the earth to a bunch of delusional hardline fundamentalist nut-jobs, which you know is impossible to deliver, just to get yourself in power
Sooner or later you’re expected to deliver the moon on a stick that you promised them
Looking at that WhatsApp exchange, can you imagine the sheer critical mass of ignorance and stupidity involved in the ‘Clean Global Britain’ group?
You can absolutely guarantee that these are the same gaggle of shit-thick libertarian bell-ends who equated having to put a face mask on in Tesco to fascism last week
in the ‘Clean Global Britain’ group?
Its pretty much the same as the use of "democratic" in the title of a country. If you need to include it you are buggered.
That said I do have a certain level of agreement for any group which gives Dorries the boot. Its just I would keep going and possibly include nukes from orbit.
martinhutch
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‘Clean Global Brexit’ – at least that confirms the suspicion that leaving the planet is the aim here.
😂
How are these people MPs?
How on earth did they convince half the electorate that brexit was a good Idea?
