what, exactly?
perhaps they were considered using the trump play book and call fraud ? 😉
without reaching for the letter-writing pad.
Sir Graham Brady has said they can email in their letters 🙂
Sir Graham Brady has said they can email in their letters
Scenes from 'safe seat' constituency offices in middle England:
Speculating within the Tory party that there will be a leadership contest in the Summer months.
Could be a whole different world by then. Absolutely fascinating stuff but I still long for politics and politicians to be boring once more.
Anyone else feel that way?
Thats pretty much how I feel.
When you think about it, other than the odd illegal invasion, 13 years of Blairism was pretty refreshingly uneventful. And even with the Major government the lies were generally about who they were and weren't shagging, which all seems pretty innocent by todays standards
I’m glad Boris has said he accepts the vote in the by election, because presumably the alternative was……what, exactly?
Storm the capital building?
His talk to sky is rather good. Apparently its the medias fault for reporting politics and politicians rather than just the good things.
but I still long for politics and politicians to be boring once more.
Nope. Business as usual politics only benefits one group of people, and it's certainly not those of us who live ordinary lives and have to work for a living. We need politicians who are the opposite of boring, and who are willing to stick up for normal people and face down the rich elites who are leading us to environmental and economic collapse.
We need politicians who are the opposite of boring, and who are willing to stick up for normal people and face down the rich elites...
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!
Sorry, got a bit carried away there...
TWITTER.COM We need politicians who are the opposite of boring, and who are willing to stick up for normal people and face down the rich elites who are leading us to environmental and economic collapse.
Unfortunately, the Venn Diagram of "Rich Elites" and "politicians" is basically a circle.
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!
You disagree? Seems to me it's pretty obvious where boring establishment 'this is the way it's always been done' politics has got us. It resulted in Brexit and Boris, what more evidence do you need?
what, exactly?
perhaps they were considered using the trump play book and call fraud ? 😉
I did wonder!
Jeez, if its true about Simon Case, he's got to go, surely?
Was that the hold Boris had over him? Better revealed now and get out the firing line
Nope. Business as usual politics only benefits one group of people, and it’s certainly not those of us who live ordinary lives and have to work for a living. We need politicians who are the opposite of boring, and who are willing to stick up for normal people and face down the rich elites who are leading us to environmental and economic collapse.
I think you’re probably on your own with your ‘to the barricades’ stuff, to be honest mate.
Most of us would opt for vaguely competent enough to sort out the logistics in a non-shambolic fashion and keep the corruption to a reasonably acceptable level so as not to rub our noses in it
It’s the British way. How we do things in this country. Or it was until recently
I’d just like to get back to tutting and rolling my eyes at the activities of our political class rather than swearing violently at the telly every time one of the ****s appears on screen
Brexit and Boris were votes to “shake things up” which actually empowered rich elites. Of course we need change, but the hard work that needs doing to improve things for normal people may well be boring and complicated, rather than simple and populist.
You disagree? Seems to me it’s pretty obvious where boring establishment ‘this is the way it’s always been done’ politics has got us. It resulted in Brexit and Boris, what more evidence do you need?
Not with your sentiment, but you were pretty much quoting a Trump speech, and that didn't end well.
I think you’re probably on your own with your ‘to the barricades’ stuff, to be honest mate.
Who's talking about barricades? All I'm talking about is elected politicians acting in the interests of the people who vote them in rather than a tiny number of super rich people who think the world is their plaything. Is that really too much to ask? Or are you content with being thrown a few scraps to distract you from the catastrophe that's going to be inflicted on us and our kids? Honestly people whine about the boomers being selfish, but really our generation are no different, and we'll be despised by the younger generation more than the boomers are now.
Well, people were stating there were longing for the self serving politicians we have in charge to be replaced. That they are great at grabbing air time and attention (and votes) by "not being boring" has got very tired, and really isn't working in our interests, is it?
The Tories could do to try some attempt at cohesion. I look forward to the cabinet's version of "Boris,Boris uber alles" hitting the charts.
Johnson may go sooner than I thought tbh
Who’s talking about barricades? All I’m talking about is elected politicians acting in the interests of the people who vote them in rather than a tiny number of super rich people who think the world is their plaything
There’s not much point shouting at me.
I’m a broadly centre-left, pro-EU Guardian reading hand-wringer who voted for Magic Grandad twice
I’ve spent most of my 50 years on the planet living under a Tory government that I certainly never voted for but lots of others did, just like they voted for Brexit. The bell ends!
I’m pretty much resigned to the fact t that we have truly reached the point where we have the politician’s we deserve. Because a large percentage it the voting public are either total ****s, complete dimwits, or a combination of the two
That’s democracy for you
Surprised?
Not in the slightest. Who will they get to do the pretend investigation instead? Even if they choose the wrong person, and that person doesn't do the expected white washing job, and their report looks bad for the government... the PM will just bin it, and then that person will resign. Just like everyone else who has been tasked with investigating what this government does behind the scenes and made the mistake of actually performing the task honourably.
Oh Binners, how could you say that, true as it maybe.
Where is Teamhurtmore to defend Boris, when you need him.
I’m pretty much resigned to the fact t that we have truly reached the point where we have the politician’s we deserve.
Well I've often said that we get the politics we vote for, but really that's not true. We get the politics that the billionaires who own the media and industry manufacture. In what rational world is it anyone's interest for people like Geoff Bezos, Elon Musk and Rupert Murdoch to exist? We're at North Korean levels of personality cultism in worshipping these people and allowing them to operate as they do, and most of us don't even realise it. Much easier to blame the little guy though eh? Just like it's easy to scapegoat immigrants and benefits scroungers.
Much easier to blame the little guy though eh?
The little guy who keeps voting for the likes of Boris Johnson and thinks Brexit’s a good idea?
Dazh - I'm 100% opposite of your view. "Personality politics" has given us Farage, Trump and Johnson. "Men of the people......" Judged by what they did, instead of what they said.
I don't want my political leader cracking gags and "Being a good laugh".
I want them sorting societies problems.
I want competence.
I want someone who cares.
I want someone for the good of the country, not his old Etonian mates.
Boring? I really don't care, as long as they are competent and trustworthy.
That’s democracy for you
I said a similar thing to a Swiss friend of mine recently, and she said that in Switzerland they do democracy differently to the way the UK does. She explained it to me , and it did seem a more fair and representative way of ruling with democracy. I don’t profess to understand it, but I think it’s called direct democracy. I had no idea there were different types.
we tried the swiss method and ended up with Brexit.
Boring? I really don’t care, as long as they are competent and trustworthy.
This!
The little guy who keeps voting for the likes of Boris Johnson and thinks Brexit’s a good idea?
Yes, it is a good idea IMO in the long run.
She explained it to me , and it did seem a more fair and representative way of ruling with democracy
It works in Switzerland but it won’t work here. Look what happened in this country the last time the populace was trusted to cast its collective opinion on a fairly seismic decision…
From now on we need to keep the damage the moronic population of this septic isle does down to a bare minimum. They can’t even be trusted with general elections in our archaic not-fit-for-purpose electoral system
We live in a nation of masochistic, forelock-tugging muppets, unfortunately
Government should be all about the boring management of our day to day lives. At the moment its all headlines & new plans - keeping in the news cycle. Output and long term stability sacrificed on the altar of Focus Group Opinion and the next election cycle.
Yes, it is a good idea IMO in the long run.
The farmers who voted for in North Shropshire have just found out that its very bad for them, which is helped the lib Dems
People slowly realising that brexit was by the elites for the elites and will cost the little guy dearly
This was a 2/3rds leave voting seat that just saw a huge swing to the most openly Remain party! Paterson himself was a leading swivel eyed ERGer, Brexiteers gotta be worried about that
I’d do away with political parties altogether and just install some particularly dull accountants and logistics people then leave them to get on with it
I want them sorting societies problems.
I want competence.
I want someone who cares.
I want someone for the good of the country, not his old Etonian mates.
No idea why you think your opposite to my views because these are exactly the things I'm talking about. And to do all the above we need political leaders willing to stand up to the people who currently control our politics and economics. Funny though cos your bullet points above closely describe the one political leader* we've had in decades who you would no doubt dismiss. Maybe binners is right, we do get what we deserve.
*ok I'll admit the question on competence, but that's something that can be remedied with the right support. He fitted the other three perfectly though.
I wouldn’t trust him to run a bath, never mind the country.
A view shared widely
The fact that the choice at the last election was those pair of clearly utterly incompetent muppets shows how truly ****ed our political system really is
Can we not all agree to appoint someone like Chris Whitty to sort it all out and abolish all political parties?
A sort of benign dictatorship?
A sort of benign dictatorship?
Sounds brilliant in theory, but they never stay benign for long!
Boring? I really don’t care, as long as they are competent and trustworthy.
For those curious about the Swiss system, here are the referendum results:
They don't want make me want to live in Switzerland but if you're a lot further to the right than me you might approve.
Daz - it was responding on the "boring" subject only. The idea you need to be a gobby personality to stand up to people.
I assume you are referring to Corbyn? Im afraid he failed the competency test for me.
If we had more referendums you could absolutely guarantee that the first thing the population of this country would do is reinstate the death penalty and capital punishment
You could put your house on it!
The death penalty as well as capital punishment!
That seems a bit excessive!😜
Boring? I really don’t care, as long as they are competent and trustworthy.
dantsw for PM!
Are you calling me boring???😆
I’ve long argued that a normal party is needed, run by real people - teachers, nurses, office staff etc. Where the truth is told no matter what they think people want to hear.
The eternal paradox...
Those with the skills and capability to govern lack the skills and will to get elected.
Those with the skills and will to get elected lack the skills and capability to govern.
I'm afraid to say that the older I get the more I subscribe to the view that anyone who wants to be prime minister probably shouldn't be allowed to be.
