[Closed] BNP Leader gets pelted with eggs...

You see it's bollox like that, which reminds what a brainless bunch of complete ****wits racists really are.

Thank you for reminding me Lanesra. Now I'll go and do something more useful, like go and talk to my cat.

There is, sadly, an apparent difference though between national pride and overt racism.

In Scotland we can fly the saltire and wear scotland football tops and we'll be described as patriotic.

People in England flying the Union Jack/ St George's Cross and/ or wearing an england strip are classed as knuckle dragging racists

BigButSlimmerBloke - I attempted to ignore your childish drivel and have a serious conversation with you.
But I was clearly wasting my time.

Ahhh should I surprised?
- you disagree with democracy unless you get to decide
- you disagree with free speech unless you agree with what is being said
- you are prepared to campaign to raise the profile of the bnp

More to the point should I care? Like most fascists, you'll throw insults when debate is too much for you.

I'm not pro-BNP but scenes on the TV of one hate filled venemous mob attacking another hate filled venemous mob just smacks of hypocrisy.

The BNP want to remove minority groups from the UK

Anti-BNP protesters want to remove a minority group, the BNP, from the UK.

So the BNP hate foreign nationals and the anti-BNP mob hate the BNP.

Someone please explain how hating any section of society, regardless of creed, colour, race, political viewpoint etc, is acceptable?

Please explain that?

The BNP make it clear that they believe that people have less value because of their skin colour/race. These are beliefs that (presumably) they've thought about, rationalised and adopted - they've chosen those views. That's what I find indefensible. People are born with skin colour and race - it's not an informed choice, or an indication of character. By the "anti BNP mob", do you mean the egg-tossing minority, or those who can't tolerate bigotry? Don't dress it up as politics.

People in England flying the Union Jack/ St George's Cross and/ or wearing an england strip are classed as knuckly dragging racists

Bollocks. Maybe in the past - I've watched England games in pubs in Leeds with Asian lads in England shirts with St George's Crosses painted on their faces.

Stop trying to argue logic with RudeBoy, as he's violent 🙄 all 9 stone of him

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That's one angry young man...

The BNP make it clear that they believe that people have less value because of their skin colour/race.

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Anti-BNP protesters make it clear that they believe that people have less value because of their political viewpoint

You may not agree with someones political viewpoint, but we're lucky enough to live in a country that allows people freedom of speech.

Some time spent living in an opressive regime, Saudi perhaps, would clarify how lucky we are.

I do not agree with the BNP.

Attacking them in the street achieves nothing.

Actually the answer I was looking for was a 'yes' or 'no' answer.
I suspect that I won't be getting it.

Your answer is 'no'.

a good percentage of the people that I come into contact with daily actually believe that the BNP are the only option for them-
as traditional non voters/ labour if they do, they see "immigrants" as the reason for all of their woes, and who wants to kick them out?
if they did vote, they'd vote labour, its what we do round here( me included), but they see all these MPs fiddling (dont realise, its all parties), so whats the alternative....
Yes its a sad state of affairs, but a huge numbers of people blame everything on "foreigners" and "MPs", no matter what you may think of them, call them, pity them or question their intelegence the great unwashed still have the same power as you( and me) 1man, 1vote.
They wont change their oppinions any time soon, all we can do is offer a realistic, and better alternative that they trust and beleive in

deep down, there is a little fascist in all of us. There is a part of all of us which doesn't respect the freedom of others.

It is usually trivial: When we ban smoking in pubs because we feel people aren't capable of making their own choices, it's a tiny fascism. When anti-alcohol groups suggest we ban parents from introducing their children to wine in a controlled home environment, it's a tiny fascism. When we encourage ID cards, it's a tiny fascism.
When we call for immigrants to be forced - not encouraged - to speak English, it's a tiny fascism.

We allow the fascist in us to win anytime we force others to behave as we behave. There is only one scenario in which we are entitled to stop others from doing something - and that is when their action limits the freedom of other people. When someone drink-drives, for instance, we are entitled to stop them, because their driving can kill others.

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Anti-BNP protesters make it clear that they believe that people have less value because of their political viewpoint

I don't see that discriminating against people because of their race or colour is politics in the 'British parliamentary democracy' sense of the word. We can discuss semantics, but racism is abhorrent and if Griffin has a heart, I reckon he knows it. Political, reasoned beliefs are different are a conscious choice and not something you are born with. Every man is (or should be) born equal - the BNP don't believe this to be true and that can never be dressed up to be acceptable to me.
You can turn this into any 'this could easily read' that you like - some principles transcend political debate. I'm happy to be egged for it.

People would be outraged if someone helped themselves to a bike out of the shed - replaceable property. The BNP aim to remove the rights and basic freedoms of British people. There's very little that's British about the BNP, except an unfortunate sheep-like ignorance which leads their supporters to follow the pack. I presume Griffin thinks we should pull our highly profitable industries out of all Commonwealth countries and hand back the property we 'British' stole as illegal immigrants.

I don't see that discriminating against people because of their race or colour is politics in the 'British parliamentary democracy' sense of the word. We can discuss semantics, but racism is abhorrent and if Griffin has a heart, I reckon he knows it. Political, reasoned beliefs are different are a conscious choice and not something you are born with. Every man is (or should be) born equal - the BNP don't believe this to be true and that can never be dressed up to be acceptable to me.
You can turn this into any 'this could easily read' that you like - some principles transcend political debate. I'm happy to be egged for it.

People would be outraged if someone helped themselves to a bike out of the shed - replaceable property. The BNP aim to remove the rights and basic freedoms of British people. There's very little that's British about the BNP, except an unfortunate sheep-like ignorance which leads their supporters to follow the pack. I presume Griffin thinks we should pull our highly profitable industries out of all Commonwealth countries and hand back the property we 'British' stole as illegal immigrants.

You're trying to outline why the BNP is in the wrong, and that's fine, but I'm not pro BNP so there's no need to highlight their bad points.

What I'm trying to understand, is why the anti BNP protesters think it's acceptable to attack a group of people in the street because of their beliefs.

They're trying to rationalise and justify their hatred because the BNP stand for something they're against.

Similarly the BNP justify their hatred because that's what they believe in.

Attacking people in the street, regardless of their colour, creed, race, sexual orientation, political viewpoint etc is wrong. End of story. You can't justify it by saying "oh the BNP hate foreign nationals, and that's far worse than our hatred for them".

Hatred is hatred.

Put it this way, if it was a black or muslim group that had been holding a conference outside parliament, would it have been acceptable for the BNP to turn up and attack them. Of course not, so why is it acceptable for the reverse to happen.

Fight the BNP, campaign against them, stand as a politician, form your own politcal party etc, but don't attack people in the street because you don't agree with them.

I didn't.

Fair points and I agree. When I saw it though I thought 'Yes, pelt the twonk'. It was wrong, I agree.

They started it though.
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Put it this way, if it was a black or muslim group that had been holding a conference outside parliament, would it have been acceptable for the BNP to turn up and attack them. Of course not, so why is it acceptable for the reverse to happen.
Fight the BNP, campaign against them, stand as a politician, form your own politcal party etc, but don't attack people in the street because you don't agree with them.

My God he speaketh total sense!!!!! Groups like UAF are no better in my opinion (dons flame suit) They seem to oppress anyone who doesnt agree with them.

Amen!

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Outrageous attack on his human rights. Part of the problem here is that he was fairly and reasoanbly elected. You absolutely cannot complain once he has been elected that he has been. Its called democracy.

Personally I'd throw egss, hammers and bricks at the ****wits who thought voting for the BNP was some sort of sensible thing to do for any reason whatsoever, and secondly at the other parties who have made such a complete lash up of our political system such as to produce an environment that such a thing could come about.

don't blame Nick Griffin, you can't stop him being a cretin any more than you can stop a dog licking its own arse

SO DO I GET AN APOLOGY FROM ANYONE THEN? 🙄