[Closed] BNP Leader gets pelted with eggs...

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Lets keep all our eggs in one basket please

sorry, 🙂

Waste of good hammers. Use broken bricks I say.

B*st*rd had the nerve to hold his press conference outside Parliament which he wouldn't get into if he was the last potential MP in the UK.

Waste of good bricks i say. Should have used old beer bottles.

Thats the kind of recycling i like.

Outrageous attack on his human rights. Part of the problem here is that he was fairly and reasoanbly elected. You absolutely cannot complain once he has been elected that he has been. Its called democracy.

Personally I'd throw egss, hammers and bricks at the ****wits who thought voting for the BNP was some sort of sensible thing to do for any reason whatsoever, and secondly at the other parties who have made such a complete lash up of our political system such as to produce an environment that such a thing could come about.

don't blame Nick Griffin, you can't stop him being a cretin any more than you can stop a dog licking its own arse

Personally I'd throw egss, hammers and bricks at the ****wits who thought voting for the BNP was some sort of sensible thing to do for any reason whatsoever, and secondly at the other parties who have made such a complete lash up of our political system such as to produce an environment that such a thing could come about.

quite

would be funny to a bag of soot thrown over him.

Outrageous attack on his human rights. Part of the problem here is that he was fairly and reasoanbly elected. You absolutely cannot complain once he has been elected that he has been. Its called democracy.

I'm sure the people of Germany and Europe who msuffered because of Hitler and his cronies will whole heartedly agree with your opinion G - NOT!

This is the second time today I've sided with G on a subject. Is that a good thing or a bad thing? 😉

"Anti-facists" preventing free speech? WTF

May I ask all these people who are criticising the people who voted for the BNP who they voted for, especialy those who may live in the areas the BNP got in.

And remember, the reason we can sit here and criticise them, is the same reason they got in, we live in a democracy, you could ban the BNP, but where do you stop, where do you draw the line, ban the communists? or anyone else we don't agree with.

Jova

Lets ban the Communists then, Stalin was just as bad, if not worse, than Hitler.

May I ask all these people who are criticising the people who voted for the BNP who they voted for

the people who didn't vote in those areas probably wouldn't, because their arguments then become irrelivant, if you didn't vote...don't complain

G - nothing to do with Human rights. Find the article of the HRA that covers this. He has no "human right" to make speeches outside parliament.

In a democracy protest is important. Its important people show their disgust. they should do this on the right side of the law however. Shouting him down and making his "press conference" untenable would have been right.

toomanybikes - Member
Jova

Lets ban the Communists then, Stalin was just as bad, if not worse, than Hitler.

Don't need to, they used to be called socialists and were supposed to be represented by the Labour Party, wherever that has disappeared to.

he has no human right, but he does have the right as an Englishman to stand outside parliament and make a speech, it's called freedom of speech,

[i]Outrageous attack on his human rights[/i]

A bit of shouting, and some food thrown at him, hardly constitutes an outrageous attack, he was free to carry on if he chose, TBH this sort of thing must be run-of-the-mill for him.

Too many bikes - and the protesters have the right to shout him down - if not the duty.

I found this interesting - from the Beeb
The number of people voting BNP across the UK as a whole went up slightly, from 808,201 to 943,598 in the European elections, but went down slightly in the two regions where it gained MEPs, with the party benefitting from a collapse in the Labour vote.

Jova - socialism and communism are rather different things - and the Labour party has always been a social democratic party

have they the duty to shout him down, some people may want to listen to what he has to say

TJ what the hell has happend to you? He has a human right not to be assaulted, and you know that.

Odd that no one arrested him, after all that progressive bunch in power at the moment have, as we know, totally restricted the right to protest anywhere near the House of Commons. Commons as in commoners, as in [i]of the people[/i]

Ho hum.

It's good that some people are prepared to protest against fascism, it's a shame that it has to take on a violent edge, I think with a bit of hindsight they should have stood behind Griffin with placards, kept silent and let him have his say, he's going to say it anyway at some point and the UAF wouldn't lose any credibility, in fact they would probably gain some.

Otherwise the only thing that can happen is for it to escalate, which could be nasty and would suit the BNP down to the ground.

He hasn't been assaulted.

It would only give him more amunition, as there is currently a mass demonstration by the Tamils on the square outside parliament, which if the Beeb are to be believed is illegal as there are too many people there, they were only given the right to have 40 people or so demonstrating, but there are many more there, so if they arrested one freely ellected member of the MEP, well, the BNP would have a field day with it.

TJ; It's probably a small point but Stalin was more of a socialist than a communist. Although the USSR was run on communist lines the oligarchy was socialist in nature and exploited its population like any good capitalist state.

In Scotland at least, that can be classed as assault.

So Stalin was a closet Fascist now.
Ok then, North Korea, surely they're not a socialist state

nickc - Member

He hasn't been assaulted.

Hasn't he? I thought objects were thrown at him. To me (and the law), that is assault. Whether it was right or not is another matter. Ultimately however, it's the people who voted for him who are to blame, not him

By definition don't facists prevent opposing opinions from being voiced?

I found this interesting - from the Beeb
The number of people voting BNP across the UK as a whole went up slightly, from 808,201 to 943,598 in the European elections, but went down slightly in the two regions where it gained MEPs, with the party benefitting from a collapse in the Labour vote.

So in what way does my original post digress from that very point??

I'm sure the people of Germany and Europe who msuffered because of Hitler and his cronies will whole heartedly agree with your opinion G - NOT!

What my opinion which runs along the lines of "for evil to succeed all that is required is for good men to do nothing"??

You consort to an egg layer!

I thought they were a Stalinist state... One of the last ones in the world if I recall.

Fine, then if he feels like he's been assaulted then he can contact the Police and make a complaint about the person that assualted him, just like any normal person can. Although if the likes of Griffin got into power than he'd like it organised so that certain types of folk couldn't get that sort of protection.

So, from where I'm sitting, he got off lightly.

Ok so when does this business of one law for one, and another for others start and finish?? Thats how the likes of the BNP and the Klu Klux clan operate FFS!!!!!

The only real defence is to be even handed and scrupulously so. Nick Griffin is no fool and he will have deleiberately put himself next to the Tamils to provoke an outcome which will show good honest white folk properly elected being shouted down and prevented from having free speech while brown people protesting illegally are allowed to carry on in the background.

I actually totally fail to understand how so many people on here can be such complete arses over these very obvious things.... see where reading the Daily Mail gets you, it eats your brain away from the inside out

[i]which will show good honest white folk properly elected being shouted down and prevented from having free speech [/i]

Being shouted down, and being prevented from having free speech are not the same thing. If Nick Griffin is going to make himself an easy target for protesters than he can't be that surprised when people protest against him.

**** me!

If those hippies are so upset with them getting a couple of seats, why don't they stop messing around with eggs up a party themselves?

Oh, and I'm no supporter of the BNP by a long shot!

WGAS

and the protesters have the right to shout him down - if not the duty.

Actually, the Labour government took away that right - SOCPA. Perhaps that's why he chose to hold the press conference outside Parliament?

You have to defend the right of free speech to those you oppose most like BNP and Griffin. The people have voted he has the right to represent his electors and speak on their behalf. It is what seperates our liberal traditon from the fascists.

Saying that we have a fine tradition of direct protest which I would also heartly support in this case did they hit him?
Were they hard boiled?
Is he hurt?

goog: TPOTTA.....

Were they hard boiled?
Is he hurt?

Were they from brown hens?

can we get a slow hand clap for the woman interviewed on R4 just now for 'unite against fascism'. by all means throw eggs but PLEASE be able to back up your actions by means other then stating over and over again that you are representing the majority against racism.

Understanding of democracy :FAIL:

mrmichaelwright, agreed. She was painful to listen to, wasn't she?

I find it hard to decide who I want to throw my eggs at most personally

indeed. much as I am sure that it is an extremely nerve racking prospect (mrsmw has turned down PM on the grounds of short notice before, you can't get into a barny with Eddy Muir unless you are prepared) she should at least have been able to explain exactly what it was they were trying to prove. spokespeople like that just reinforce the scabby student 'wish washy' hippy stereotype and play into the hands of the likes of Griffin

I woon't waste good eggs on Griffin. Would be disrespectful to the hens that laid them.

I'd say the same about dogshit, even.

I can understand the frustration and anger felt by many people over this, but it has at least got people discussing the issues, which can be turned into a positive thing. It is, as many people are saying, a 'wake-up call'.

Let's hope people don't doze off again...

Stalin was no socialist. He was a totalitarian dictator who used the language of socialism.

G - I understood your post to mean he had a "human right" to make his speech which I don't believe he has. I did say the protesters should have stayed within the law. Assaulting him was wrong. They should have just shouted him down

I actually don't even agree with even that TJ, its the protests that give him the oxygen of publicity and is exactly why he/they provoke them. Best to leave him to it. The press would soon stop reporting nothing happening.

as much as I would love to throw eggs at griffin and his thugs, the protesters shouldn't have resorted to it. It would have been much better of them to stand behind him with banners and watch him losing track of his hatred speech, and finally walking off in anger. That would have been a FAIL on behalf of griffin.

According to their spokeswoman (killing time before daddy gets her a nice job or internship by the sound of things) UAF don't believe in free speech if your views are contrary to theirs - not sure who's the fascist here...meanwhile lets talk about the thousand of workers at LDV and the C&G who lost their jobs this week - what are the UAF or any of the parties that fund it doing for them - nope I reckon the ruling class still hasn't got it.

Can I point out that Unite Against Facism, along with the Labour Party, the Anti Nazi League and others were actually involved in escorting people to the polls, in Millwall in 1994, to ensure that voters felt safe, and free from intimidation from the gangs of BNP thugs who were roaming around trying to scare people into staying in their homes and not voting? This resulted in the BNP being ousted from their seat on the local council. A victory for freedom and equality.

I've done a little bit of work for UAF, and other anti-racist organisations, and whilst there are a few militant individuals, the majority are simply people who care passionately that such abhorrent and divisive views as those held by the British Nazi Party are met with resistance at every opportunity, so that the voice of Fascism is drowned out.

UAF don't believe in free speech if your views are contrary to theirs

Really? Can you prove this?

So, they're worse than the BNP, in your onion, then? Or what? 🙄

Egg-throwing is childish and stupid. Stopping the BNP from speaking out is commendable.

Don't be fooled by the 'Democracy' argument; they're nasty vicious racist thugs. Nothing more, nothing less.

Don't be fooled by the 'Democracy' argument; they're nasty vicious racist thugs. Nothing more, nothing less.

And for this reason the rights and legal system of this country therefore don't apply to them?

So far I am mostly in agreement with G.

I have never held with the nonsense regarding the "oxygen of publicity" - the more people who are exposed to both sides of a debate the better informed they will be to make a decision - it may not be the one you want, but at least you then understand their position.

Eloquent, public destruction of wholly loathsome and misguided ideals will force them back into to holes from which they sprang. Making them appear martyrs will only increase their appeal.

And for this reason the rights and legal system of this country therefore don't apply to them?

Have you any idea what they're really about?

They don't believe in 'rights' for many British people, ffs.

You can get all prissy about Griffin's "rights" but the fact of the matter is that he'd very much like to take away those very same rights to great swathes of the population, and he relies largely on the likes of G to back him up, Now I'm certain G isn't a supporter of the BNP, but they will use the cover of "Democracy" and "freedom of speech" to further their fetid aims and views, and when you protect his rights, you unwittingly protect his viewpoint. What did that Frenchman Voltaire say "I disagree with you but I'm willing to die for your right to say it"? Fine words, but at what point to you draw a line, and say "Apart from that point of view"...

In this case, against these people, I am happy to be counted on the side of the egg throwers.

Only a fool would defend Nick Griffin's 'human rights'. The BNP was [u]specifically[/u] formed to deny people their human rights. In fact denying other people their human rights goes to the very core of the BNP's philosophy. Take that away, and their 'reason d'etre' has disappear - there is no longer any reason for them to exist.

At best, fascists [i]may[/i] be tolerated. But they should never be defended. They should always be opposed by whatever means any given situation requires. If necessary through the ballot box, if necessary with eggs, if necessary (God forbid) with guns. But they should [i]always[/i] be opposed. If they were ever to win a general election I would [u]never[/u] accept the result. I would do whatever was necessary legally [i]or/and[/i] illegally to oppose them. Have we learnt [i]nothing[/i] from history ffs ? Have we learnt nothing from the Nuremberg Trials?

My father volunteered to fight and die in two wars solely because fascists wanted to deny people their human rights. But unsurprisingly, he wasn't much bothered about the human rights of Franco's Fascists or Hitler's Nazis. 70 years on, I'm certainly not going to defend the leader of the BNP against "eggs". Although I would undoubtedly defend him if there were attempts to truss him up mussolini style.

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But only because it isn't yet necessary, when it is, I'll supply the rope.

BTW G, don't blame those who voted BNP, they are amongst the least guilty. Blame Griffin for being a Nazi. Blame New Labour for abandoning their own core voters and driving them into the arms of Fascists. And blame the Guardian for stabbing Labour in the back days before an election.

The only totally innocent party in this sorry state of affairs, are the Tories. For once.

No they're not! It's the Tories who've instilled selfish, greedy right-wing views in people in this country in the first place, EL!

Well, of course it's her fault. Who else's would it be? 🙄

EDIT: I'd better not say that. Might upset someone, who'll grass me up to t'mods, and I'll get banned.

Again...

So they got a couple of seats. How can anybody say that because they're evil or biggotted they have no human rights. Even the vilest criminal has human rights unfortunately. By everyone standing on their own little soap box and spouting their two penth worth into the the interweb. It just keeps them at the fore front. If you dont like them, dont vote for them, dont advertise them. If they are not news worthy, the media wont report them!

Even the vilest criminal has human rights unfortunately.

Well that's news to me. How come we have prisons then ?

Sounds to me like we take away the rights of people who don't behave in a civilised manner.
Perhaps we shouldn't do it any more ?

Well that's news to me. How come we have prisons then ?

Prisoners still have human rights.

BTW G, don't blame those who voted BNP, they are amongst the least guilty

You're going to have to explain that one to me ❓

Read what comes after that - that's the explanation. Or do you me to expand ?

Prisoners still have human rights.

Their human rights are somewhat restricted I believe. Unless of course you don't think 'freedom' is a human right.

[i]Well, of course it's her fault. Who else's would it be?[/i]

surely not MHT ❗

What is everyone scared of? Griffin turns up anywhere he is pelted with eggs, students bar his speeches etc etc What is really the issue? Are we truly scared of such a-holes? The pathetic attempts by some have only managed to provide Griffin with much needed publicity.

The simple truth is let him speak - to deny him and others is simply undemocratic.

Let him speak and his arguments and his party will vanish like autumn mist - keep pelting him with eggs and you create a media feeding frenzy.

You've got one egg left..........

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Sorry EL, can't have that. Feeling disenfranchised is no excuse to vote BNP.

You've got one egg left..........

No-brainer.

Keep egg, for eating later, and throw brick at Maggie.

Human rights as defined in the human rights act:
Some are absolute and some are qualified. for example the right to freedom is qualified by the need to obey the law. Break the law and you can have your freedom restricted. Religous worship is absolute IIRC

However as far as I know nothing in the human rights act would give him the right to make speeches outside the houses of parliament without running the risk of counter demos

Feeling disenfranchised is no excuse to vote BNP.

Who said it was an excuse ? I said : "they are amongst the least guilty".

G said : "Personally I'd throw egss, hammers and bricks at the ****wits who thought voting for the BNP was some sort of sensible thing to do.......don't blame Nick Griffin"

Nick Griffin has no accuse at all for being a Nazi and a liar.

The Labour Party has no excuse at all for abandoning their core voters.

The Guardian has no excuse at all for stabbing Labour in the back a couple of days before an election.

You can't blame BNP voters for the behaviour of those above. And perhaps if those above had behaved differently, the election result would have been different.

So, in summary, freedom of speech is ok as long as you agree with what is being said, and democracy is sound as long as you agree with the result.
A democratically elected member of a parliament can be assaulted by having eggs thrown at him because other people find what he has to say offensive.
Well, if that's ok, if you disagree with the roads around where you stay being closed for a few hours, even though this was sanctioned by the democratically elected representatives for the area, it'll be ok to scatter some carpet tacks around then?

BigBut

I think that's the vien of my post! Well said - let the little pratt have his say. Why lower yourselfs to BNP levels? Nobody should be scared of them - pushing such an organisation underground is extremely dangerous - bring him out in the open and lets have a full discussion - he'd be made a laughing stock

I think Jake and Elwood had the right idea: [url=

hate ****in Nazis[/url]

tankslap - yup, the only way to beat them is in a fair fight - and that's through the ballot box. today's little farce will be used by the toad faced little freak to show how the big boys in the playground are ganging up on him. had the anti-free speech fascists, or whatever they're calling themselves not decided to kick off, the speech would have been a non-event no story, no chubby little freak on tele tonight.

You Brits got this ****head leader of BNP loads of publicity. If nobody turned up, including media, he would present his opinion to ever-shitting pigeons. By pelting him with eggs you gave him media time. [b][u]You bloody should've used bricks, hammers and condons full of oil-based paint[/b][/u]. That've learned him 😉

That's the very reason I couldnt understand those muppets in Oxford when Gripshit turned up to talk - wtf were they thinking about. If he had been allowed to speak he would have been laughed out of town. Instead, what? A massive on goal by the intelligensia - you would have almost thought they were in support of him!