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Never realised how big a portion was
1 portion =
1 leek
8 spring onions
1 cereal bowl of lettuce
8 brussel sprouts
Most of the examples I can find seem to be about double what I would count as a portion.
[quote=Solo ]Its what he does on every vaguely diet related thread dont take it personally they cannot help themselves and is is not you but them. On the plus side I will get the flak for a bit now and not you
Yay, Junkster is back. And posting on my behalf. Pity you're wrong though. But when has that ever stopped you.
I expect that you'll be frothing up quite nicely, soon.
The prosecution cases rest M Lord
1 portion =
1 packet Mini Cheddars
1/2 bar Milk Chocolate
1 can Red Bull
8 Penny Chews
1 Portion Chips
30ml Ketchup
Change of plan for my tea: roasted squash and stir fry of red onion, red pepper, green beans and leeks. With roast potatoes and a steak.
I may have to cut down on fruit and veg to meet the new target 🙂
You are aware that having steak without chips and onion rings is actually illegal? And the absense of a creamy pepper or Roquefort sauce is only compounding the original crime
Best get that down your neck sharpish, before the knock at the door
perhaps he doesn't share your view that Wetherspoons is the epitome of fine dining! 😀You are aware that having steak without chips and onion rings is actually illegal?
Roast potatoes are [i]almost[/i] chips. And sauce on a steak is wrong; it's not the 70s.
Good to see Binners is all over this like chilli sauce on a kebab.
If you eat the salad with your kebab, that must be 3-a-day?
Its not that hard if you base your diet around veg. Meat isnt all that necassary for humans... biologically frugivores aren't we. The main problem is too much meat.
biologically frugivores aren't we.
Don't think so.
Just weighed my daily banana...146 grams..get in! Think I mostly do 5 to 7 portions a day but this is only in the last year since I started getting a veg box and so had to get creative with veg as I hate wasting food/money. I really enjoy eating veg now but it does take time and imagination to make it interesting. My fav way of getting a load of veg down is roasting up a big tray sprinkled with herbs, spices, balsamic vinegar, rape oil..just discovered cauliflower is gorgeous like this.
Roasted veg is a wonderful thing
I think the issue is that most of us are buying food from sandwich shops etc at lunchtime, and they have very little in the way of veg that's not salad.
If I am somewhere with a canteen I can get 5 a day fairly easily. If not, it's really hard.
We share the same/similar biological charateristics and genetic heritage as other apes. Frugivores; plant based plus very small amounts of animal protein (more or less animal protein depending on location and species). Acting omnivores but not biological omnivores.
The common mistake is to confuse to "be" with to "do" when thinking 'ivore etc.. If I start to eat only meat it doesnt suddenly make me a carnivore... We have cooked food for up to 2.5 million years so human digestive tract has evolved on its own, but we are closest anatomically to our frugivore relatives.
Another way to look at it is eat only meat and youll be very unhealthy and develope cronic illness. Eat only plants and the opposite occurs. Thats because plants are what we are primarily evolved to eat.... more recently cooked plants.
Depends really. Mostly not. But I go though phases. But other wise I eat terribly.
Acting omnivores but not biological omnivores.
You're going to have to do better than 'we're quite like apes'.
Another way to look at it is eat only meat and youll be very unhealthy and develope cronic illness. Eat only plants and the opposite occurs.
Ah.. wait.. you said FRUIT at first, now you are saying plants.
The evoution thing is a red herring in some ways. Humans (along with lots of other successful animals) have evolved to eat a huge variety of things. We can be very healthy on man different combinations of foods - meat or non-meat.
Another way to look at it is eat only meat and youll be very unhealthy and develope cronic illness.
Crap logic. Drink only water and you'll die - therefore water is bad for you!
Crap logic. Drink only water and you'll die - therefore water is bad for you!
S/he didn't say that meat was bad for you, s/he said only eating meat was bad.
As far as I understand, and I could be wrong, is that it isn't fructose in it's natural form that is bad; it's fructose in unnatural, highly concentrated forms, such as High Fructose Corn Syrup (HFCS), that is bad (m'kay?). High concentrations of sugar also include fruit juice.
Ergo, fresh fruit should be fine as our bodies are use to processing the levels of sugar within.
This could all be crap, though 
Ergo, fresh fruit should be fine as our bodies are
use to processing the levels of sugar within.
Not necessarily, they stopped feeding the monkeys at Paignton zoo bananas as modern varieties contain too much sugar.
Show me where i said "fruit"?
Isn't that what frugivore means?
S/he didn't say that meat was bad for you, s/he said only eating meat was bad.
If his/her point wasn't that meat is bad, I'm not sure what else it could be.
they stopped feeding the monkeys at Paignton zoo bananas as modern varieties contain too much sugar.
I thought all bananas were clones/genetically identical.....how can "modern varieties" have more sugar ?
There are loads of banana varieties. We only get one in this country generally.
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Yes I'm aware that there are many varieties of bananas but I assumed that Paignton zoo were feeding the ordinary easily available variety to their monkeys.
They should try the cloned variety which hasn't changed for hundreds of years if they are worried about the rare fancy varieties.
If his/her point wasn't that meat is bad, I'm not sure what else it could be.
Really ? You couldn't work out what allmountainventure's point was ? It was written in straightforward plain English.
Eating only meat and nothing else is very bad for you. But eating only produce derived from plants/trees and nothing else isn't so bad for you. HTH
eat only [s]meat[/s]bananas and youll be very unhealthy and develope cronic illness.
try your own food molly , it does not mean the food is bad only that eating ONLY that food is bad for you.
my diet on tuesday
breakfast.. coffee three weetabix.
lunch..coffee and a slice of home made almond slice
evening meal.. can of baked beans
supper.. warfarin pravastatin coffee slice of apple blueberry pie
did i get 7 in there..
801010 diet is pretty damn healthy. Look up 30 bananas a day on the web or fruitarian athlete.
http://www.nomeatathlete.com/fruitarian-experiment/
So rather than being ill you can be a top end endurance athlete. Try that with steak.
I'm not saying we should all become acting frugivores. I'm saying that's what we are biologically. the more we deviate from it the unhealthier we get. This is also why heating veg is good, our guts are best for digesting soft fruit, not hard veg. That why meat rots inside human guts and doesn't digest (even after cooking it). Plant based (PLANT) is the nearest we can get to our natural diet.
Fwiw frugivores observed in the wild can an do eat animal protien, sometimes frequently. Eggs would be plentiful and very easy to get, so are insects and so on. But it doesnt mean they aren't still frugivores, nature doesnt fit neatly into scientific boxes and most frugivores are acting omnivores/opportunistic feeders.
One thing you can say about human society that is based around animal protien. Short lifespans or longer lifespans but riddled with diseases and propped up by drugs.
Not that I'm a bit obsessive, but I happened to have the kitchen scales out this morning...
The banana and raisins that went into my porridge this morning were 80g altogether (30g + 50g IIRC).
The veg (some red onion, red pepper, mange tout, baby sweetcorn, and salad leaves) that went into my lunch box came to 230g. Normally there's be half a tin of chickpeas (120g) in there too, but we'd run out; there's two leftover sausages instead.
So, 310g of 'fruit&veg' from breakfast and lunch today, but it'd normally be 430g.
what a load of bollocks.I'm not saying we should all become acting frugivores. I'm saying that's what we are biologically. the more we deviate from it the unhealthier we get. This is also why heating veg is good, our guts are best for digesting soft fruit, not hard veg. That why meat rots inside human guts and doesn't digest (even after cooking it). Plant based (PLANT) is the nearest we can get to our natural diet.
nother way to look at it is eat only meat and youll be very unhealthy and develope cronic illness.
Just like the Inuit don't.
The problems with the 5-a-day message are two-fold. Firstly no-one knows what a portion is (okay, smart-arse STWers do, most people don't), and secondly that sounds like a huge amount of vegetables. I'm mostly vegetarian, and that sounds like a lot of fruit and veg to me.
The message should be simpler - "Eat a balanced diet, get some exercise"
Just like the Inuit don't.
You mean the inuit that have a life expectancy of 40 or 50 years? Bad control group because they don't live long.
http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.sg/2008/07/mortality-and-lifespan-of-inuit.html
Sick on 100% fruit? You judge.
B12 is actually a bacteria that, if not for modern chemicals and pesticides in the environment, we would probably synthesize naturally in our intestines. Gut flora basically.
I pity your pancreas.Why?
Seconded, just read through this, thought that food sounded ok, can you explain?
We share the same/similar biological charateristics and genetic heritage as other apes. Frugivores; plant based plus very small amounts of animal protein (more or less animal protein depending on location and species). Acting omnivores but not biological omnivores.
Ladies and Gentlemen, let me introduce to you....the Inuit Paradox.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11566644
Anyway, I seem to remember that one of the reasons why humans developed bigger brains is because we started eating more meat.
Plant based diet pyramid
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Eat like an inuit if you want to. Some of them even live to 60 years old.
allmountainventure
I'll give up expensive cheese and wine over my cold dead cancer ridden body.
allmountainventure
I'll give up expensive cheese and wine over my cold dead cancer ridden body.
Its a free country bro 😆
B12 is actually a bacteria that, if not for modern chemicals and pesticides in the environment, we would probably synthesize naturally in our intestines. Gut flora basically.
Link please to proof that 1) The Small Gut can produce enough B12 in healthy individuals and 2) That pesticides affect small gut B12 production.
A quick google reveals sites that are mostly owned by hippies.
Theres been a terrible mistake. There are no specific references to pasties, cheese strings or Monster Munch on that pyramid. You can't just lump them all in as 'processed food' for gods sake. Theres a world of difference between, say, a pot noodle, and a Rustlers Microwaved cheeseburger. And the Pepperami Hot is a very different animal altogether. And wot of the Cheesy Wotsit eh? Wot?
You have the bare faced effrontery to come on here expecting to be taken seriously? Then lump in the Mini Chedder with Branston, and the McDonalds Mozzeralla Dipper. Laughable!!! Now go away and do your research properly man!!!! 🙄
I thought it said 'beer' at the top of that pyramid.
[i]you can be a top end endurance athlete. Try that with steak.[/i]
I think Jacques Anquetil did ok, famous eater of steak tartare, as he was.
Look up 30 bananas a day on the web or fruitarian athlete.
That's a rather creative way to develop hyperkalemia.
Anyway, I seem to remember that one of the reasons why humans developed bigger brains is because we started eating more meat.
I think recent ideas have suggested it was because we started cooking veggies. (There was a documentary where (the lovely) Dr Alice Roberts at a lot of carrots.)
I discovered during the summer that Getmans feed their babies so much carrot during weaning that their little noses turned a bit orange.