[Closed] Another mronic driver thread

Well it is a race.. Can't let people get the podium places

decided to accelerate with me to way over the speed limit

At that point I'd have rolled off and let them go I reckon. Little justification for drag racing "way over the speed limit" against a bellend who wants to drive at half the speed limit but is prepared to drive way over it to prove a point.

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jam bo - Member
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It's not going to make progress without him.

To be fair, we're probably talking 75 so not that ridiculous but still, once your committed its difficult to change plan - especially if you think they might suddenly drop anchor too.

In the end it was fine but I ended up using much more of the road then I expected simply because one idiot didn't like being overtaken.

I just don’t get the mentality. Fine, be a bit annoyed (though frankly that’s a bit daft too), but why pull such a dangerous stunt?

In hindsight, I should have waited my turn to post..

ITV 1 21.00 HRS,tonight drivers just like you

75 in a 60 ? That would be 6 points.... 😯

To be fair, we're probably talking 75 so not that ridiculous

Yes it ****ing is.

2 people at fault here you and the other driver.

It's not going to make progress without him.

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As you haven't mentioned it I suppose that there wasn't someone coming the other way who had to bury the brakes and then take to the grass to give you room to get through - I've had too.

I think you were the problem in this case OP. You launched into a high risk three-car overtake and didn't pull back in when you could have as Cougar said. When you overtake you need to consider what other drivers might do because they don't spend all their time checking their mirrors and may speed up or even pull out to overtake themselves.

Edit; at a guess you followed the three cars because there was a white line/bends/poor visibility then you pulled out when there was a straight - which the other driver accelerated along without even realising you were overtaking.

75 in a 60 ? That would be 6 points....

An indicated 75 would probably be a speed awareness course.

25% over the speed limit, is this a troll!

Obviously it's an STW driving thread so everything will be everyone's fault, but really, there's never any excuse or justification for speeding up while being passed in this way. Even if it was purely coincidental- and that's one long odds coincidence- you're still supposed to check your surrounds before changing speed, no road user should be so oblivious.

As for tucking in behind- it's the more conservative option but it's not automatically safer, that depends on circumstances. But it does leave you immediately behind a dangerous driver. All other things being equal, that's not the outcome I'd choose.

(for whatever reason, people love to try this with motorbikes... It's ridiculous, I only had a little bike but there's few cars that can make that work and most of those aren't driven by the sort of bellend that needs to try and outrun someone on a bike. But still it happens)

Yep. 75. Too fast but I was expecting to get to about 60 and be well clear.

This bit of road, after the junction. No cars coming the other way at any point in all this.

https://goo.gl/maps/NVgZVSDSRpB2

Point is, he was still going no more than 45 until he spied me overtaking.

And by the way, 75 is a guess, and likely too high. I wasn't paying much attention to the speedo given the circumstances.

So you had just gone through a bend with a dangerous poor-visibility crossroads immediately after that a sensible driver would slow for and then accelerate away from. And perhaps not check the mirrors as he'd just done that for the junction.

Nothing wrong in principle overtaking three at once, and that bit of road looks fine for it, but in the circumstances of this incident...

At that point I'd have rolled off and let them go I reckon.

...this.

Just a thought Educator but maybe the OP is in a better position to opine on whether the driver sped up deliberately or not.

Anyway yes it utter bellendery and a peculiar form of bellendery that seems to be confined to these isles. Never witnessed it while driving abroad

Edukator - Troll

So you had just gone through a bend with a dangerous poor-visibility crossroads immediately after that a sensible driver would slow for and then accelerate away from. And perhaps not check the mirrors as he'd just done that for the junction.

(edit to fix the quotes!)

Or perhaps, given the fact that he'd already covered a couple of miles at a painfully-slow-on-that-particular-road pace and none of the other cars had overtaken despite having had plenty of opportunity to do so, it was reasonable to assume a. they wouldn't now overtake and b. he wouldn't suddenly decide to do a Lewis Hamilton impression just as someone did overtake.

And by the way, 75 is a guess, and likely too high. I wasn't paying much attention to the speedo given the circumstances

I'd stop now if I were you.

I'd stop now if I were you.

Yes I thought that myself, looks like a 'I'm committed now and will pass whatever it takes' situation.

OP - yeah, bloody annoying when people do this. Used to get it quite a lot driving home from a cycle round Thetford after work....catch an old fuddy duddy tottering along at 40, overtake and suddenly they are booting it to prevent you 'getting in front'. Once past you get the flashing headlights and tooting so they can vent their anger.

FWIW, I'll generally keep hoofing it if it's safe to do so until I've completed the overtake. Yes, I'm a bad man.

Get it on the commute to work all the time - 70mph with the cruise control on catching a car up....overtake and before you get past it, it's holding position alongside....gah!

The title of this thread is now really annying me.

It's fine to plan to pass three vehicles on that stretch after the crossroads but part of my planning would be the anticipation of one of the other cars wishing to overtake. Having planned the manoeuvre and whilst passing each vehicle I would assess the next as to wether there was any change in hazard etc etc...the arsehat who no doubt had planned his overtake later than the OP, obviously took umbridge and felt he would play the arse. At that point if you are committed to the overtake of said arse and you are in an appropriate vehicle and there are no other hazards approaching ie the farm on the near side and the bends ahead with limited view and you have no alternative to roll off the accelerator and pull into the gap behind the arsehat then so be it.
Maybe if the OP had taken it out of fifth gear and passed by all three faster the arsehat couldn't have matched his acceleration 😆

Gary_M - Member

I'd stop now if I were you.

Yes I thought that myself, looks like a 'I'm committed now and will pass whatever it takes' situation.

It was more of an 'heres a good place to overtake, whats this **** doing, oh for ****s sake' situation.

Never any danger just really ****ing stupid.

It was just about at the point of having to cut back in but not quite and that's what makes it worse, a perfectly safe manoeuvre made difficult by a pillock.

Predictable as it was, this thread wasn't meant to be a dissection of my driving today, which frankly none of you can really comment on, unless you happened to be in the vicinity of Cromford at about 1200 today. It was meant to see if you had experienced people trying to block you from overtaking, which to me, seems dangerous.

Get it on the commute to work all the time - 70mph with the cruise control on catching a car up....overtake and before you get past it, it's holding position alongside....gah!

I see a related version on motorways where I'm driving along, cruise control on at 70 and I pass the same car 8 times because it's gone from 50 to 80 to 55 to 70 to 60 to 90. Usually because the driver is trying to text at the same time.

Suggsey might have a point. I probably could have been a bit more aggressive in getting past but when there was so much space, it really didn't seem necessary.

CFH - I agree. Mronic thread title really.

Never admit to breaking the speed limit on STW.

Making progress is the term to use.

crzy-legs - yeah, probably not clear but my comment related to stretches of the A1 and A14 (2, 3 and 4 lane in parts) rather than doing 70 with he cruise control on single carriageway a-roads..... 😀

I think a lot of it is due to inattention.

Having "driven" the previous two miles on Google earth:

There is "SLOW" written on the road before a bend followed by a cross roads with poor visibility. 45mph through there seems very reasonable.

In the previous two miles there are no double white lines along straight stretches so unless there was a continuous stream of on-coming traffic there were lots of opportunities to overtake, maybe one car at a time before you got to the slow section.

Why overtake in a queue?

Get it all the time and knowing that had you braked he probably would have too there are only two things you could possibly have done. Which was the least unsafe option? If you had the room, definitely passing.

Edukator - you can only overtake one car at a time if there are gaps between them, which there weren't.

Given this remarkable revelation of yours, that overtaking was possible earlier on, you would assume that if one of the other cars was intent on overtaking, then it would have done so already, seeing as they could overtake only one (or two) cars as opposed to three.

Edukator - you can only overtake one car at a time if there are gaps between them, which there weren't.

Just how long is your car? 5m? Even tail-gaters leave more than that.

You've also stated that it was the lead car that accelerated hard so a gap would have opened up between the lead and second car giving you plenty of space to pull in.

(unless the three of them were working together all with the specific aim of putting you in difficulty - seems unlikely)

What car do you drive BTW? It's no doubt in here somewhere but it's easier to ask.

I may be stupid, incompetent and selfish but don't get in the way of my god given right to get the biggest car possible on finance and drive however I want.

All the rest is irrelavant detail so **** **F

UK 2016.

Edukator - Troll

Just how long is your car? 5m? Even tail-gaters leave more than that.

You've also stated that it was the lead car that accelerated hard so a gap would have opened up between the lead and second car giving you plenty of space to pull in.

(unless the three of them were working together all with the specific aim of putting you in difficulty - seems unlikely)

What car do you drive BTW? It's no doubt in here somewhere but it's easier to ask.

I'm not sure I quite get what your point is.

You seem to be suggesting that it was reckless to overtake three cars at once, but have no problem with muscling into a tiny gap between cars when overtaking.

There were no gaps between the cars prior to the point where I overtook so no, it was not possible to overtake one at a time.

Once overtaking all three, I am already alongside car number three by the time I notice he's accelerating in an out of character and unexpected fashion, therefore no, I cant just cut in as he's there, right alongside.

Two options, jam on the brakes and hope I can squeeze in or two finish the overtake, noting that the road is still clear, just annoyed at the f***wittery.

My colleague always object to other people over taking him ... hmmm ... not sure why ... he gets very angry. He would get a heart attack if he was in the far east coz everyone overtakes ... 😆

Third option, brake with the intention of pulling into the now very large gap and if he brakes to try and stop you, brake very hard and drop behind all three - if you do the maths you'll find you have a better chance of survival by braking to a stop than persisting in an overtake with someone racing you. If something comes the other way the brake hard strategy has advantages:

A car has excellent deceleration and stopping distances are short.
If you persist every second is a lot of distance covered.
If you persist the final crash is going to be a big one resulting in serious injury or death for you and the victims coming the other way.
If you brake, even if something comes the other way the odds are that they will see you and brake too. If the unlikely event of a collision speeds will be low.

Trying to accelerate out of trouble is the suicidal option.

I just had some arse overtake me on a single lane motorway link road. It was a giant sized 4x4 Audi is that's relevant.

Actually Edukator, failing to plan/poor advanced observations and indecision is invariably what kills people along with panicking causing loss of control.

The option to brake was there but not quite neccesary as there was still plenty of clear road to go. The point (and yes, there was one) was that it really shouldn't have ever been part of the equation, but for one persons irrational reaction to being overtaken.

On a motorway its sort of amusing, if annoying, but its downright dangerous on a single carriageway.

I agree with those points Suggsey though I don't agree with "invariably" because in risky overtaking there's also:

Impatience
Arrogance
Aggression
Ignorance of stopping distances and distance covered per second
An appetite for risk
"It won't happen to me"
"I'm invulnerable" (I'm driving a two-tonne SUV with airbags)
"Other road users are worthless shit to be intimidated"
"This game is fun" (deadly fun)

Which road users cause overtaking head-ons? Google something for your part of the world.

Edit:

but for one persons irrational reaction to being overtaken.

You persisted in an overtake knowing the car being overtaken was accelerating without knowing why or a what speed the driver would back off. The safe, sensible, rational, logical action was to abort and pull in behind.

excellent work OP. 8/10

nearly time to tell us about the brake test

Edukator - Troll

You don't even know if they knew they were being overtaken

But if they didn't, then they're dangerously incompetent. Still, since the point is to make the OP wrong, that's probably not important.

So slam on the brakes is the best option? What if, quite reasonably, one of the back cars has just at that moment decided to overtake after all? Hmm...

Drivers REALLY hate cyclists here...

See link. Angry Land Rover driver, reverses his lanny back up a hill AT cyclists

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/30702768/angry-driver-reverses-into-pack-of-cyclists-in-western-australia/

It depends on the circumstances - I get flashed and honked at (oo-er) fairly routinely driving to work. I slow down for a village which has a 30 limit.

Then I speed up again to 60 for the A-road that follows, as one does. For some reason this is perceived as holding up dickhead in the BMW who drove an inch from my bumper as he attempts to overtake the second we pass the 30 sign, even if there are 4 fully laden trucks from the quarry heading towards us, as if I was planning on doing 30 all the way to work or something ? Duh.

Or maybe they are just saying hello - who knows...

top end of the via Gelia

Was going to ask what you expected from Italian drivers. Disappointingly unexotic location, TBH.

I expect the other driver had just finished his mobile phone call so was speeding up again.

OP are you new here?

The problem is you've got this place all wrong.

You come on here with a story about someones poor and potentially dangerous driving expecting a bit of sympathy and support, you really should have known that instead you would get several people, none of whom were there, having a go at you instead.

So just to buck the trend.

Yes the guy accelerating as you overtake is a dick, yes its happened to me.
Yes its annoying and yes I'd have done the same.

Now where did I put my woodburner?

I've had this, straight well sighted road, single car in front doing 40, I go to overtake and off they go, booting it.
Its so utterly pointless and bloody dangerous. You commit to making a manoeuvre based on the current situation and conditions and you go to overtake they put their foot down. Why why why would you do that in any circumstances, unless you're a total arse?
So you either press on and pass them or hit the brakes and drop back in behind. I've done both in the past and only the OP knows whether it was really safe or not for him to continue with his manoeuvre. Given he's here posting I'd say he got away with it.

I've had similar to the OP.

Old fella driving an oldish Jag pulls out in front of me on a roundabout causing me to brake.

As we exit the roundabout long straight road - clear. I try to overtake he accelerates big puff of smoke out of the exhaust (I was driving a 1.6 focus so no chance of out accelerating). We're up to 80 and I can see a car in the distance so brake and get behind Jag.

He slows down to 40 on a 60 limit. I try and overtake again and he's back to 80.

Twunt.

We're up to 80

A pattern seems to be forming here, those who ignore legal speed restrictions and make little attempt to adapt their speed to road conditions (which may mean a speed lower than the limit) find that other drivers are going slower than themselves and get angry about it.

there's another 6 points

Calm down dear!

ACPO guidelines for a court summons in a 60mph limit would be 86mph otherwise it would be dealt with by an FPN which is 3 points and £100 fine.

Third option, brake with the intention of pulling into the now very large gap and if he brakes to try and stop you, brake very hard and drop behind all three - if you do the maths you'll find you have a better chance of survival by braking to a stop than persisting in an overtake with someone racing you. If something comes the other way the brake hard strategy has advantages:

This is making an assumption that no one was following the OP before he started the overtaking manoeuvre as well as assuming neither of the 2 cars in front prior had also decided to use a long straight to get past a slower driver.

I would suggest braking to a stop in moving traffic is more likely to get you rear ended than using a little extra acceleration to circumnavigate the bellend in front.

oh well, 'only' 3 points 😯

it's just breaking the law a little bit then I guess 🙂

honestly, all this 'make progress' nonsense - folk should just chill out, take a break for a bit if needed to let the numpties move along the road. The journey time will hardly be affected, you won't get wound up and you'll hopefully arrive in one piece !

Edukator, making a point articulately and regularly does not make it right.

You say here...

risky overtaking there's also:

Assuming the OP has sworn an oath to STW, it wasn't risky at all until the front car decided to make it so with an aggressive action. Your subsequent lecture is, therefore, somewhat redundant following your small, but significant omission of that point.

I am not going to get into an argument about it, nor will I return to this thread. I just thought it only fair to point that out.

honestly, all this 'make progress' nonsense - folk should just chill out, take a break for a bit if needed to let the numpties move along the road. The journey time will hardly be affected, you won't get wound up and you'll hopefully arrive in one piece !

You are right. We should all just go at the speed of the slowest vehicle on the road and just accept that some people have different priorities. If we want to travel along it at something approaching the legal limit well then tough the designated Road Captain at the head of the queue has decided on the speed everyone is travelling that day and will diligently be blocking any attempts to overtake.

I mean jumping a queue! How uncouth! That's something only Johnny Foreigner and the bloody colonials would do. Its just not cricket!

😆

Cheers Pook. Its not easy this internet lark!

Edukator - Troll

A pattern seems to be forming here, those who ignore legal speed restrictions and make little attempt to adapt their speed to road conditions (which may mean a speed lower than the limit) find that other drivers are going slower than themselves and get angry about it.

Who's getting angry about people going slowly? I'm angry that someone suddenly and unpredictably decided to go fast!

FWIW

just get a faster car, they are safer, you'll have 'made progress' before the overtakee realises whats going on...

edit: 😉

Who's getting angry about people going slowly?

You, Dan, apparently it drives you "nuts" when other drivers brake to go round bends slower than you think they should. Yourself from the concurrently running thread:

except for far too many other drivers who absolutely must brake for every single corner regardless of their speed, the corners sharpness, the amount of gravel/ice/mud/water on the road or lack thereof etc etc.

Drives me nuts.

"Drives me nuts" doesn't mean angry. I find it mildly irritating.

Occasionally, i might mutter something about them being a pillock but I'm not about to smash their head in with a wrench for going a bit slow.

Though do feel free to carry on leaping to conclusions.

If the car at the front was able to accelerate rapidly enough to keep pace with a car that had a good run up (as our man seems to have had) then it must have been truly awesome, maybe an Allegro or similar?

dickhead in the BMW who drove an inch from my bumper

Very, very lonely Hels and needs a friend to get close to. Today was your day.

Brrrm brrrm! Weeeeeaaaaooooowwwwww!!!! Vroom vroom vroom!! Yeeeehaaaaaahhhh!!!!!!!! Woagh Dude, yeeeeeaaaaahhh.

Another mronic driver thread

Don't be so hard on yourself. 😆

You come on here with a story about someones poor and potentially dangerous driving expecting a bit of sympathy and support, you really should have known that instead you would get several people, none of whom were there, having a go at you instead

Op the road captains on here are the kind of people you overtook

what's a road captain ?

EDIT - found it, according to David Miller :

road captains in cycling are very different to captains in other sports where they’re figureheads who give inspirational speeches

sounds like being a road captain is something we should all aspire to then 🙂

I'd take it that a "road captain" is a self appointed upholder of the highway code and decider of the acceptable speed for a given section of road.

^^^ well we should all be captains of our own [s]ships[/s] cars so that sounds pretty reasonable that we decide how fast we want to drive, appropriate to the conditions, within the law.

A section of urban motorway that forms part of my drive home from work is a 50 limit, which would be easy to exceed, so I happily drive along it with the cruise set to 50 and smile at those wishing to 'make progress' , flashing their lights and fists, only to see them often be detained by blue flashing lights within 2 or 3 miles - almost a weekly occurrence 🙂

So the consensus is overtake if you want to and its safe then?

Phew, I'm glad that's been cleared up.

Pretty sure you can be done for dangerous driving if you speed up while being overtaken. Pretty sure people who say they never break the speed limit are liars.

cumberlanddan - Member

So the consensus is overtake if you want to and its safe then?

As long as..
1) You dont jump the imaginary queue
2) You dont exceed the speed limit
3) You are making progress
4) None of the above
5) All of the above
Otherwise pudding WILL be withdrawn.

Wouldn't have happened in a Golf R estate, could overtake 5 cars nee botha in one of them...

Only if the "road captains" give permission! I enjoy making progress within the road conditions and limits, anybody dawdling in my way will be safely overtaken.

I was behind a line of cars the other day doing 25mph on an A road, there was a tractor up front and nobody had the gumption to overtake even though there were numerous opportunities. Peoples inability to make a decision and take responsibility, so they just sit behind a tractor and follow the car in front like sheep! Baaaastards.

I used to enjoy driving but it's just a procession nowadays. People think by doing 40mph in a 60mph is a nice safe and sensible speed.. Which when conditions are bad it is. But when the road is clear and dry it just selfish and infuriating for other motorists.

No pudding for the lot of them!

cumberlanddan - Member

So the consensus is overtake if you want to and its safe then?

The concensus is that everyone slower than you is an incompetent and anyone faster than you is a psychopath.

But no, don't overtake when it's safe. Overtake when internet experts who weren't there and aren't interested in what the person who was there says except as something to have fun twisting, say it's safe.

I was behind a line of cars the other day doing 25mph on an A road, there was a tractor up front and nobody had the gumption to overtake even though there were numerous opportunities. Peoples inability to make a decision and take responsibility, so they just sit behind a tractor and follow the car in front like sheep! Baaaastards.

I think I would be hyper twitchy if the tractor was approaching any field gates though 🙂
Even turning left into a field they turn quite wide, and turning right - are you sure their indicators are 100% functional..? 🙂

Cumberlanddan is that the stretch before pikehall? Heading towards Newhaven? It wasn't a black soda was it?

Yeah that's a fair point, however there was a fair gap for a safe overtake and nobody made an effort to pass. Not the first time I have seen this either.

Going the other way wrightyson and it was some sort of beige skoda saloon I think.