[Closed] All the best for Christmas

All the best to you too BM.

Don't leave the forum. Just stick to the rules - like you do in everyday life - and you'll be fine.

It's a laugh on here and there's always help, tips, advice - even invites to xmas dinner!

Give it another chance.

No don't go Brother Barnsley!! 😥

I think the Powers That Be need to consider the importance of keeping the forum a happy, lively place, without sacrificing it's character. It's gone downhill a lot lately, and even I can't be bothered quite as much, as it's just got a bit sterile and staid.

Rules are important, yes,but a bit of common sense needs to enter the equation too. This is a population populated by (mostly) intelligent adults, and whilst kids might look at it, I don't really see the point in watering things down to such a degree that it's 'safe', as this then just leaves it too restrictive and controlled, which is counter-productive if you want a popular, lively place full of interesting characters.

As for the swearing; I've heard worse on Grand Designs at 5pm. Yes, I think we get the point that swearing is frowned upon.

Whilst it is the Mods' 'ball', if they're too controlling about it, no-one else will want to play. We'll go and play somewhere else.

I think the Mods need to listen to what more and more people are saying about this place, that it's losing it's appeal, it's not as much fun anymore.

The central core of 'regulars' is an eclectic bunch of characters who bring a wonderful diversity of opinion and though to this forum. It's people like TJ, Ernie Lynch, Hora, Captain Flashheart, Cinnamon Girl, Mamadirt, Peterpoddy, WCA, SimonFBarnes and many others, who have all helped make this forum what it is. I think the Mods need to respect this fact, and acknowledge that it's people like these, generating interest in this forum, that then helps generate advertising revenue. I'd imagine this revenue is pretty significant to the running of STW.

I've met loads of people off here, and I'm in touch by email with loads more. And recently, loads of them have said the forum is going downhill. There's a great 'community' feel on here, and loads of good things have happened because of it. This isn't just because a bunch of bods in an office in Calderdale have made an internet forum; this is because a load of people all over the place have contributed great input.

Respect works both ways. I think the mods need to have a think about this.

Wipe your dummy & put it back in your mouth, & put your toys back in the pram whilst you're at it too....

😉

It's people like TJ, Ernie Lynch, Hora, Captain Flashheart, Cinnamon Girl, Mamadirt, Peterpoddy, WCA, SimonFBarnes and many others, who have all helped make this forum what it is.

Those incomers? They might have helped make the forum what it is, but they didn't make it great. That was other people, who have all disappeared to the [i]other[/i] forum.

😯
😐
😥

but....

i genuinely dont know what to type. i'm going to email you pictures of sad looking cats now

This isn't going to be easy for me but i'll give it a try...
Here goes...

I agree with what Elfinsafety said

There, I did it. 🙂

I'm obviously missing something on this forum, heard about people being banned but never really know what the cause is. Don't really like seeing people go expecially those who have been extermely helpful to me in the past.

All the best to you.

This happens every year. Forum desperados who feel like rock stars because they are part of a self congratulatory daisy chain thinking that the forum is no good anymore.

It is what it is, the movement (and mellowing) of people is what keeps it alive.

Mitch - fair enough.

Funnily, I can cope with change to the operation and management of the rules (to a different degree), but often wonder about my own tenure for different reasons.

Somehow STW oftyen represents the best of tiems and worst of times for me. It's entertaining, often thought provoking and knowledge enhancing. It's an escape from the tedium of my desk, and a means of letting out some of the thoughts that whirl and fire around my head.

But, at the same time, my thinking comes to be dominated by what's going on here, what there is that's interesting to read or say, and it distracts me from more improtant matters. It lifts my depression, but also seems to contribute to it.

I'm hoping thie Christmas break gives some pause for a decision on which tack to take, but I don't blame you for calling it quits and heading off elsewhere.

what is the other forum?
Are we not all guilty of just taking this a bit too seriously
Who are the banned seven then? can we name them?
TSY
U31 must have got one for what they did I assume

BM sorry to hear you say that all the best

I agree with what Elfinsafety said

There, I did it.

See? It doesn't feel too bad after all, does it? 🙂

Those incomers? They might have helped make the forum what it is, but they didn't make it great. That was other people, who have all disappeared to the other forum.

Who are those other people, and why did they leave? I know that lots of Mlehers post regularly on here anyway. Those I've mentioned have certainly made this forum interesting all the time I've bin here (5 years or so).

Maybe the forum could do with a democratically elected body of users who could liaise with the mods about problems/issues and stuff. Bit like the IPCC or something.

yes cos what STW towers really want is even more input from us - dont you get it we are an inconveniance they just have to put up with. If they could live without the forum they would IMHO as the mag pays the bills not the forum.

Have fun BM. I'm sure even if you liked it on here Christmas will be better without it.

Elfin- the mlehers were most definitely not anything to do with this forum's feel, we have a very different sense of what's worth ranting about and what's important (here it's important to be right, on mleh it's important to have a laugh). I'm not quite sure what he's on about but at a guess it'd be theprawn/beer/dan etc and chocolate foot which appears to have died a death but there are other offshoots.

Who are those other people, and why did they leave?

Probably left for some peace and quiet.

7 people are on our banned list. We are gaining more forum users week by week. Something is attracting thousands of new visitors a month to this forum. The system is simple and the forum is lively and no matter what a tiny minority of users who have fallen foul of the rules think the facts are very clear. This forum is popular and is gaining in popularity and not the other way round. We've had many direct emails of support from users who find our moderation approach to be a good thing. It's what makes this forum unique and different from the rest. It won;t suit everyone and some will always find that because of the standards of behaviour we expect from users that they are not comfortable here and they will move on. But they will be replaced by others who choose to contribute in their absence because they feel that what the leavers called 'atmosphere', or 'character', the majority found to be abusive and sexist behaviour.

Some people need to realise that they are not celebrities and just like Vince Cable they will not bring the system down by leaving.

I've said it before, but the forum would function a lot better if only there was some way we could visit actual, real physical violence upon each other.

Imagine, as one forum member self-righteously pontificated from there ivory tower, a hand came out from the screen and gave them a hearty slap round the chops with a moist halibut.

Imagine giving Hora a wedgie mid-sentence as he woffles on about the failings of his third pair of forks this week

This is the future of the interweb my friends

Bye Barnsleymitch. Sorry to see you go, but I completely understand.

The importance of this forum on the Internet should not be underestimated - put in any google search about what <insert cycle related thing> and STW forum pages will be up there.

The forum generates the bulk of the clicks - millions of them a week. The clicks buy they adverts that pays for the site. The site promotes the mag which pays the bills.

What I'm saying is: the forum (us) are extremely valuable to the Singletrack brand.

I am curious about the [url= http://www.mlehworld.com/ ]alternative universe.[/url]

It's only a forum? Why get so upset about who is or isn't banned? It's not like they're being locked away to rot. Personally I'd like to be able to swear, but I can't, and I have no desire to start my own sweary forum or go to mumsnet. Yeah some people who have been banned are funny, but some are also complete arses. This place acts as my office banter, and it's fine for that, but it's hardly something to get all uppity about. If it disappeared tomorrow, guess what? Life would go on...

To be fair,

I think part of the problem is, the mods are too quick to hand out bans, it's judge jury and executioner with no provision for telling your side. People make mistakes and going "the rules are clear, have a ban" doesn't really promote good morale.

The swearing thing is a good example. I'm all for a non-sweary board, it makes for easier reading, but one man's definition of swearing is different to another. Obviously, dropping the F-bomb is out, but what about milder expletives (carp etc)?

Also I'm hazy on how much self-censorship is allowed; if you star out letters in words (like the tabloids do on a daily basis) is that acceptable or 'filter avoidance'? Father Ted managed prime-time viewing with judicious use of the word "****" - is that classed as swearing?

You might think the rules are clear - I'm not convinced that's true. I'm more than happy to follow the rules, but if it's not clear then mistakes are going to happen and I'd rather someone said "look, that's not on" and gave me a chance to apologise, rather than slapping bans about the place. A ban should be a repeat-offence punishment.

IMHO, etc.

Yeah but that works both ways binners. I could be sat sat here typing away, only to find Hora's hand reaching out of the screen for a quick fumble. It's just not worth the risk.

Jesus!!! What a hideous thought. No-one female on here would be safe. In fact no-one would be safe. Full stop. He's an animal!

We are gaining more forum users week by week.

Most of whom, by your own admission, never post anything!

This forum is popular and is gaining in popularity and not the other way round.

Mainly because it's regulars make it an interesting forum.

I think the issue currently is that there has been a fair bit of confusion over the swearing thing, which has led to people feeling unsure of what is and what isn't acceptable. People have had bans for saying exactly the same things as moderators themselves! It's that kind of inconsistency that annoys.

I'm not trying to cause trouble here, just point out stuff that I know a lot of STWers are thinking. I'd like STW to be a positive happy place. The 'mood' has definitely dipped recently.

On the plus side; I've seen that certain offensive behaviour gets dealt with much more effectively these days, which is good. Freedom of expression is good, but people have to understand that others may think differently (even if they're wrong...), and that certain attitudes aren't acceptable.

As for 'celebrities'; Mark, what you perhaps don't always see, is that certain people help bring others together for rides and stuff, organise events, do generally positive things. STW is a conduit for that. So the input of certain people gets recognised by others. So what if there's a few big egos? Makes it more interesting!

I'd rather someone said "look, that's not on" and gave me a chance to apologise, rather than slapping bans about the place.

They do that...

Please - your last comment really wasn't necessary. It will be removed.
Thanks.

In relation to: http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/how-to-enjoy-xmas-shopping#post-2088594

If you really feel the need to contest this warning then please reply to moderator@singletrackworld.com.

Sent to Barry Bethel by the Singletrack moderators.

This happens every year. Forum desperados who feel like rock stars because they are part of a self congratulatory daisy chain thinking that the forum is no good anymore.

Nail.
On.
Head.

Cressers, Friday Kylie, all things that are gone - we should remember them at Christmas 🙂

I'm not trying to cause trouble here

S****. You forgot the 'Honest, guv' on the end there Fred 😀

On a lighter note, can somebody lend me a Mint Sauce keyring for a few days?

Well, got to watch what I say on here, in't I Binners? 😉

S'allright for you. You get to abuse Hora on a regular basis.

I think the issue currently is that there has been a fair bit of confusion over the swearing thing

I accept you can do what you like with your forum and I repsect the fact, despite doubtlessly rolling your eyes in the office at this, you reply again to threads like this. i think some users are being either childish or impetous depending on your view about the change and it is not that drastic and it is not that hard to adhere to the new rules even though bits are confusing. I just stoppped swearing though it semms sometimes it is ok and sometimes it is not - this is what makes poeple think you use this to teach folk a lesson sometimes - perhaps they do deserve it but that is another issue

Happy Christams STW

Perhaps you could let us with the P who pay for the mag have a quota of warnings for the year 😉

Get Mitch's point totally. Find myself being more annoyed by some of the twonks on here than entertained lately. Then the entertaining ones get banned for making a joke. Well I hope to see the poster who used "WTF" on the bike thread just now get the same treatment.
If I go from the forum I'll cancel my subscription to the mag too.

Some people need to realise that they are not celebrities and just like Vince Cable they will not bring the system down by leaving.

Liking it. 8)

It is fair to say that some posters seem to think of themselves as STW celebrities. Personally I'm still reeling from the discovery that TSY is a big fat sweaty bloke. Glad s/he's banned. Made me feel dirty.

"Friday Kylie"..... has that actually been written out of the rules? (it's been a while since I last looked). I just thought people had got bored.

Can we bring it back?

The Kylie Clause is still there. Again, another misconception that we have removed it and put a stop to the 'fun'. It's stopped appearing because I guess the forum chose not to do it.

The Kylie Clause is still there. Again, another misconception that we have removed it and put a stop to the 'fun'. It's stopped appearing because I guess the forum chose not to do it.

Because it's lame as is flouncing off the forum in a huff.

if you think the forum is shit, make it not shit, or depart. hardly a difficult thought process. some 'people' on here make me despair for the human race, but they're allowed to do that, keeps life less boring.

EDIT - Ohhh, I can say shit!

I fully support the enforcement of the forum rules and have said so many times. I thought this was improving the forum.
However, I have now learnt that there is now a more covert approach the mods are taking to remove posts which they just don't like rather than them breaking the rules.
So I for one will be here a lot less, if at all, in the future as I don't think I can say what I want to say, even if its within the rules. I don't want to get a ranting childish "telling off" every time I fail to wave the Singletrack flag hard enough. If they want to run a forum which only says what they want to hear then maybe they should restrict it to ST staff and their best buddies.
I fully expect to be banned now for daring to criticise. Oh well.
Have a nice Christmas y'all!!

i for one think B'mitch is a flouncy rockstar who plays with daisy chains.

😆

I think that's BM's point, iDave. He and others are happy to contribute in a positive manner, but then if people get banned for spurious reasons, it's just a bit crap, and brings the mood down.

I think this place is overall ok, and I'll continue to use it and gain positive things from it, regardless. There are people on here, on this thread even, who post nothing but negativity and attempts to look 'tough' or clever. Strikes me as an utter waste of time really, but hey ho.

Whilst we're all in contemplative mood, I do think it would be a good thing for the mods to consider what people have said here and on some other threads recently; let's see it more as 'our' forum rather than 'theirs'. Co-operation needs to work both ways.

FFS. Get a grip! Its an internet forum

There's so much navel gazing going on on here of late, its starting to resemble a sixth formers bedroom. It probably smells like one too

Shall I put the Smiths on? Cool. Skin up someone

Come on guys, this forum is marvellous

This happens on every forum i've ever used...people get fed up, announce they're leaving...and then come back a little while later!

FFS. Get a grip! Its an internet forum

It's not just that though is it, Binners? It's a whole load of things to loads of people. A chance to meet others, organise rides and that, drinks, find friendships, share problems, offer support, all sorts.

That's why it's important to lots of people. That's why people get upset about people getting banned and that.

this forum is marvellous

It is, mostly, yes.

Really though,

There's been a thread about cheating that went all over the houses and did threesomes and lesbian porn, there's been a thread about underwear that had links and pictures. You guys seem to be arguing amongst yourself just as much as you ever have. What exactly are we missing?

this'll cheer everyone up . . . . owned by bombers in comic sans!

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Fred. I met Hora through this forum. Need we say more

No good can ever come of it. Its evil I tell thee!! PURE EVIL!!!! 😉

Where is the retard anyway? He's been unusually quiet

You'll all be overjoyed to hear that I'm not going anywhere..

I'm staying put too. If only to annoy TJ 😀

I've nowhere else to go. I'm like an internet vagrant

if my youthful enthusiasm continues to annoy people, then i'm staying. plus i like some people on here 😀

Generally I'm with Binners on this. Chill dudes! 🙂

That said I think the swearing rules are too vague. I try and avoid even mild stuff, as I have the vocabulary to do so 😉 but there is a big grey area on here between The Queens English and Best Anglo-Saxon expletives that really does need clearing up.

Are we allowed to ****** words out ourselves? Yes or no? 🙂
What words are allowed? If theyre allowed, then it's OK to print a list! 🙂

I have had some clarification from Mark by email over one instance, which is great, but it would be a lot easier for him and everyone else if there was a short explanation of allowable contexts and a couple of examples 🙂

I'm assuming 'smeg' (see Red Dwarf) is allowable though.

If not, oh smeg.....! :(. 😉

mitch.................you big girls blouse. mtfu 8)

i'm wearing a knitted eating suit in his honour at christmas.

PP +1

(although it is amusing the reaction when someone says byebye... reaction seems bigger than the "flouncing off")

We aren't going to publish a list of permitted words because as soon as we do someone will find a word that is not on the list that should be on the list and it will all end in silly 'But that's not on the list and he said it last week....' type arguments. I've explained the words that can't be used under any circumstances and they are the same ones that can't be used by any publishing organisation. You don't find a list of the acceptable words on the BBC websites or any other such organisation.

The golden rule is if you abuse another person with whatever language then you will be in trouble with the mods. But again, I'm repeating myself yet again now. Consider that what you say is being broadcast to everyone, even if you address it to someone in particular. If you'd think twice about standing up in a pub and shouting it out for everyone to hear for fear of being asked to leave then it's not ok to say it on here.

That's as clear as it's going to get. If that's not clear enough then consider that it seems clear enough to the vast majority of users and ask yourself why you don't get it.

The importance of this forum on the Internet should not be [s]under[/s] overestimated

If you'd think twice about standing up in a pub and shouting it out for everyone to hear for fear of being asked to leave then it's not ok to say it on here.

That's fair enough. Depends on the pub though, don't it? Personally I prefer nice chilled out friendly pubs, rather than the ones where you'll get glassed for looking at someone's pint. conversely, I'll avoid those ones where it's all families with kids, who tut and moan because you're having a ciggie OUTSIDE within a mile of their precious little darlings.

I know it's a difficult balance to strike, but there are times when STW seems a bit like that, I have to say.

It's better than that place down the road though; you know, the one what sells crap beer and is full of scummy drunks...

Mark. Does that mean I can definitely not accuse Hora of being an utter and complete *!

Or accuse him of *ing a * on a regular basis?

or make reference to his predilection for *ing, particularly when it concerns ****s?

those people may need to get out a bit more and stop thinking that this is real life.

Well actually, many of us do get out a bit and meet up in 'real life'. Which is kind of one of the purposes of this forum, isn't it?

There's a 'REAL' life? I'm scared now

Don't be frightened Binners. Just hide your wallet from Hora, and you'll be ok.

consider that it seems clear enough to the vast majority of users and ask yourself why you don't get it.

See now, that's something I wouldn't have said. Sounds like an insult directed at me does that. Sounds like you're calling me fick or summfink. I'll have you know I've got GCSEs and stuff!

😉

EDIT
I was asking on behalf of others to be fair, like I said I've got enough vicab.....vocurb....vlocurb..... BLAST IT! WORDS to not need a list....

😀

Fred - I've started locking my bike to his outside the pub and making him buy me a pint before I'll unlock it.

Such a simple plan, but then he's not difficult to outwit 😉

Well, you've only got half the wits to outwit, I spose. Makes it a bit easier.

Whoa there!

Like it or not, there are rules in this world and I do think we also need rules on here. I really don't want to see a free-for-all where anything goes, resulting in girlies running away screaming. 🙄

People are over-reacting and need to put this in perspective. We all have our good days and bad days. Sometimes we share, sometimes we don't.

There are some terrific people on here and long may it continue.

Peace. 8)

Sorry to see you go BM, a lot of morons and brain farters on this website. Not really good to loose any of the likeable characters 😀

That said there are an awful lot of nasty pieces of work lurking on this site and that means a lot of people simply will not post because they will come under fire from the half wits.

I think some moderation is a good thing, we'll just have to see how it goes.

You know what actually, Merry Xmas and a Happy Newyear to everyone!

Hear hear Binners - couldn't have put it better myself.

This forum is great, apart from when an over-enthusiastic few start making it all self-referential and masturbatory (that's not swear filter avoidance is it? I would have used the W word in "real life").

Shame if you do leave Mitch, I've enjoyed reading some of your posts - which are usually funny or clever rather than flouncy.

Anyway, it's not the few attention seekers that make this forum so good, it's the collective humour, knowledge and not-very-seriousness.

🙂

Just been to have a look at the 'alternative universe' and the language is disgusting. Seriously wouldn't want this forum to be like that.

Not joking or trying to butter up the mods.

It's a forum, not a lifestyle. Get a grip and stop being such a prima donna.

[i]It's a forum, not a lifestyle. Get a grip and stop being such a prima donna.[/i]

+1.

I watched another forum fall to bits when a number of posters decided that they were bigger than the place they posted in, and set up a 'mod trap' which resulted in the forum being closed forever.

I've been banned for swearing at someone, and although it annoyed me at the time, it was perfectly justified and I have moderated my behaviour as a result.

If you don't like it, you don't have to come.

I promise to hang around long enough to rub binners nose in it when we win the league again!

May be some time though 😥

See ya Mitch. Can you take Effinchafing with you on your way out. He needs a ciggie.

chill out Mitchell my man..

imagine the yetis unbridled grief when he gets back and finds you gone..

People are over-reacting and need to put this in perspective. We all have our good days and bad days. Sometimes we share, sometimes we don't.

Sage words CG

People come and people go, it's the nature of the beast. Sometimes it is funny and brilliant and then it's dull and predictable, just like the posters, some of whom dominate the site by sheer volume of postings - bad in my view.

To BM - cheer up m8, I know that things don't appear great work wise but it's only a website and it's nearly Christmas.

To everyone else, including those [s]damned[/s] banned, have a good and merry one and remember the nights get lighter from now on. 😉

I think binners needs to remember the weeks when all he has to occupy himself is the forum and his genitalia.

Yesterday it seemed we'd never get over yeti's disappearance. Today, it seems that little bit easier. Time, my friends, is a great healer.

Can you take Effinchafing with you on your way out. He needs a ciggie.

I don't 'need' ciggies; I just like one now and then, or if I'm having a pint or something.

TSY is amusing himself on Mleh atm. 😀

I genuinely feel that people are overreacting - all it takes is one person to rubbish then others follow suit.

Have had a look at that other place and I know where I would rather be - it's cosy here, accepting of people, folk reach out when someone is struggling, much humour, much kindness.

Certainly don't want to have expletives hurled willy nilly, playground behaviour, bullying. No thanks.

Come back barnsleymitch - you make us laugh!

binners - Member

FFS. Get a grip! Its an internet forum

There's so much navel gazing going on on here of late, its starting to resemble a sixth formers bedroom. It probably smells like one too

Fundamentally true.

However I do believe that the clampdown has had undesirable effects. To me the casual homophobia and misogyny needed to be clamped down on. However the swearing ban and banning of regulars for minor offences goes way too far for me. I am very surprised I have not had one quite honestly. I really have no idea what is acceptable and that pisses me off. Language I would use infront of my 75 yr old mother gets [u]some[/u] folk a ban. Some consistency in the bannings would be nice as well. Some of the most offensive posters do not get banned, others get banned for minor infractions. If elf had said some of the things I have said he would be banned for sure.

A forum is only as good / useful / interesting as the posts that are made and while this is a big forum with a lot of posters its not a huge number that give it its flavour and spice. Lose too many and the character will change.

The preponderance of navel gazing threads show the disquiet and while I don't think anyone can hold a gun to the heads at STW towers they would be stupid not to heed this. This forum is a powerful and important part of their setup even if it does not create a great deal of money directly. It could go ratshit easily There is a pretty negative vibe about the place at the moment.

Mitch - I have been guilty in the past of giving the forum too much importance. Its not worth the dramaqueen act - I know I have been there. You need to put it in perspective. So have a break, regain some perspective and return when ready.

Is now the time to ask what happened to BigDummy? I miss him.

ok, bye then.

B'mitch who?

Is now the time to ask what happened to BigDummy? I miss him.

I heard he was frightened by a goose,and is now having to undergo intensive therapy. 🙁

If elf had said some of the things I have said he would be banned for sure.

I'm glad someone else has said this...

ok, bye then.

B'mitch who?

And you are...?

TJ+1
I think BG has been forced to work now, which is a real shame 🙁