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Well former NUFC season ticket holder here - when i heard it at 8 this morning in the car I said do it. 35m rising to £40m we have to take it.
Ashley is trying to get the club in profit and with money in the bank. If he succeeds then I think that we will be one of the only EPL teams in that position. I hate the guy but he knows how to make £.
Hopefully get Crouch in tonight for a loan and sort a few signings in the summer - Tiote, ben arfa etc ready to come back so all not too bad and we have been finding a few good signings recently.
I wish the lad all the best to be honest. He did a cracking job in the last 12 months and the lad is a Geordie through and through. They say he has gone from 25kpw to 90kpw overnight - who can blame the lad.
Of course he isnt worth it but if you want something that someone else has then you need to pay a premium for it.
One thing is certain and that is the bubble is growing and sooner or later it will pop with these mad fees.
Breaking news - the Torres deal is off!!!!!!
Apparently John Terry couldn't agree personal terms with the Spaniards wife!
Here I am! 🙂
Ooh, where to start...
Selling Torres for [i]fifty million English pounds[/i] is a fantastic bit of business, if you ask me. He hasn't played anywhere near his best for nearly two years now. And as Glupton points out, he's injury prone. His heart hasn't been in it for ages. There's no point in keeping a player who isn't motivated, no matter how good he's meant to be. If he had half the spirit and commitment shown by Dirk Kuyt, he'd be incredible. On current form, there are a lot of better strikers around right now.
Could be a massive gamble for both Liverpool and Chelsea. Torres could make a sudden return to his best, bang in 2 goals a game and help Chelsea win the league. Or, he could languish on the bench, suffer a string of niggling injuries, win nowt with Chelsea and trudge off back to Spain.
What's more likely?
£50m is an insane amount of money, and I'd imagine a newly debt-free Liverpool could be significantly boosted by having such funds to spend right now.
Andy Carrol.
£35m+, if it's true, is an insane amount of money for a player who is unproven at top level in Europe and International footie. He is a bit of a liability with his temperament.
BUT: Carrol is the kind of powerful aggressive striker Liverpool havn't had since ooh I don't know when; they've traditionally gone for nippy poachers, although Heskey enjoyed his best spell at Liverpool. I've thought for ages that Liverpool need a Drogba type player; one who can terrorise defences, and batter their way through to score goals. Carrol is undoubtedly talented, but time will tell if he really is the mega-player such a price tag suggests. I'm alarmed Liverpool are apparently going to spend so much on him tbh, but then I don't work at Anfield.
See, the thing is, Torres isn't currently worth anywhere near £50m. He perhaps isn't even worth the £20m or so Benitez payed for him.
So, Liverpool may be getting £30 million more for Torres than he's 'worth', and paying £20 or so perhaps more than Carrol is 'worth'. But football is insane anyway. Apparently, Spuds are lining up Giuseppe Rossi from Villareal. A player not deemed good enough to play for Man U. Chelsea are lining up David Luiz for £20m+.
Charlie Adam.
Liverpool need a player like this, who can deliver balls into the box. They also need that [very nasty swear word] Fergie to keep his big bulbous veiny schnozz out of it; he's only trying to derail that transfer because he knows Debt United won't be spending any big money for a good while.
So, if Torres goes for £50m, then Carrol and Suarez come in for a combined £60m or so, and Adams for what, £6-7m? Factor in the sale of Babel and Liverpool might only be actually 'spending' £10m or so. Which could be some of the most amazing wheeling and dealing ever. What if Suarez and Carrol produce the most devastating partnership in the Premier league?
Of course, with our luck, they'll both break legs or something and be out for a year. 😐
One good bit of news is, Donkchesky has gone on loan to Forest. 😀
what fred said ^^^^^^^^^^^^
Chuff me. Is there a shorter version of the above post?
Bloody read it and learn something you lazy git! Was Rome built in a day??
Simple fact is, that the only way to succeed in football these days is by spending huge amounts of money. Barcelona, Real Madrid, Man Utd, Inter and AC Milan, Chelsea. Arsenal have done amazingly well on relatively very little, but haven't won owt in the recent mental spending era. Can't really see them winning owt more than the Carling Cup, unless Wenger does a 'Benitez' and wins the CL...
Man City and to a lesser degree, Spuds, have become stronger simply because of the money they've spent. Chelsea only did well because they spent insane amounts, let's be honest.
Liverpool have to spend to get the best players possible. It's the way the game is these days. There is no other way.
Hadge - that's a cracker 😆
Aldo on 5live now.
Breaking transfer news - Alex Ferguson says Howard Webb is not available for any amount of money! 
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Torres deal for 175K / week 😯
Should be able to hit eBay when he's sat at home resting his hamstrings...
Chuff me. Is there a shorter version of the above post?
Yeah here :
Nonsense.
How's it nonsense, TM? Care to explain? Or do you simply prefer slagging people off without good reason?
So rude...
Rumour has it Shearer's coming back... to get Newcastle relegated. Again.
Bring back Michael Owen, he was dead good. For Liverpool at least.
Nonsense.
Someone was here talking nonsense earlier...something about it being the worst deal ever. Wasn't you though tm was it?
yup, no one proved me wrong.
The only people who seem to think it's anything but a complete disaster for Liverpool are Liverpool fans. Funny that.
Hasn't been a single Chelsea fan on here crying about wasting £50m on Torres or Toon fans saying that £35m isn't enough for Carroll.
Go figure.
Talking about football seems to bring out the inner nobber in some people. Funny that.
yup, no one proved me wrong.
You seem confused. I think plenty of people showed you were erroneous, you just chose to ignore them. I hear a few neutral people on the radio (who have probably forgotten more about football than you or I know) saying that's it not a bad deal. Not that I'm convinced myself of course.
Are you still saying it was "the worst Prem deal ever"? Or is it that thing you have about Liverpool surfacing again?
EDIT: grumm, it seems that it brings out the nobber wanting to tell people having a good old argument about football what nobbers they are. Doesn't it?
yup, no one proved me wrong.
Erm, you haven't proven yourself right, either. 🙄
Why are you so rude? Have you had a bad day? Do you want a hug?
You seem confused. I think plenty of people showed you were erroneous, you just chose to ignore them
No confusion. Some people posted deals that were bad but no one came up with something on a par with £35m for 11 prem goals. Still waiting.
Or is it that thing you have about Liverpool surfacing again?
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mmmmkay.
Talking about football seems to bring out the inner nobber in some people. Funny that.
Don't be so harsh on yourself grumm
Andy Carroll is a good player and looks like a hell of a prospect. I just think that is a crazy amount of money for a prospect. Crazy days.
Liverpool have just officially signed Suarez... about time too - was beginning to wonder!
mmmmkay.
Yep. (problem with speech this evening?)
No confusion. Some people posted deals that were bad but no one came up with something on a par with £35m for 11 prem goals. Still waiting.
Ah **** it, there's no point arguing it with you...plenty above posted ridiculous deals. If you've got it fixed in your head that it's the "worst Prem deal ever" (your words, not mine), then fair enough, in your head, it probably is sweetheart. Seems neither of us can prove it right or wrong...especially not you.
Worst Prem deal ever = Veron.
Liverpool have just officially signed Suarez... about time too - was beginning to wonder!
That could be the "worst prem deal ever" 🙄
Carroll has been involved in many off-the-pitch incidents in his career. On 14 September 2008, Carroll was arrested by police in Newcastle responding to a report that a woman had been assaulted, and later accepted a police caution for assault.[38] On 7 December 2009, he was arrested in the aftermath of a nightclub fight, again in Newcastle, accused of smashing glass in a man's face.[39] He was charged with assault and in October 2010 he pleaded guilty to common assault and was fined £1,000. He was also ordered to pay £2,500 compensation.[40] He was also involved in an incident on the training ground which allegedly left teammate Steven Taylor with a broken jaw though no charges were filed according to police.[41] Carroll reportedly suffered a broken hand in the incident, and he was shortly photographed in a pop concert with bandages to both hands.[42] Then-Newcastle manager Chris Hughton and club representatives declined to comment any further on the incident.[43] On 18 October 2010, Carroll was charged with assaulting a former girlfriend. Claiming self-defence, and having given a local hotel as his address, Carroll was granted bail on the condition that he resides with Newcastle captain Kevin Nolan until the case resumes in January. The charges were later dropped due to lack of evidence.[44] Two days following his bail, Carroll's car was set on fire whilst parked on Nolan's driveway, with the club captain's garage door also being daubed with obscenities.[
He'll fit in well with the Liverpool players/fans then
Worst Prem deal ever = Veron.
Twice. Both United and Chelsea, arguably Chelsea was worse as he had proven himself not up to the premier league.
El Haj Diouf to all the clubs he's been to - complete tosser!
Up in Scotland, we are hearing that Rangers have signed El Hadji Diouf from Blackburn
Arse!
Ah **** it, there's no point arguing it with you
Why not ? I've made it clear that I'm happy to be proven wrong
plenty above posted ridiculous deals
Which I've ackowledged. Still nothing on a par with £35m for 11 goals and a track record of ill behaviour.
sweetheart
love you too
Seems neither of us can prove it right or wrong...especially not you
Well, maybe there's truth in that, after all, it's all subjective - apart from Torres's proven track record, Carrolls lack of one and the £15m differential that connects the two.
HMRC are going to be licking their lips as they work out the VAT on £85m worth of players.
Breaking news - SBZ has come up with a worse deal.
See, I told you I'd be happy to be wrong.
love you too
I'm all warm inside now.
Torres's proven track record,
Great season he's had. Broken hamstrings an' all. Great prospect. Mind you, he'll still bang in about twenty for Chelsea now. I'm just glad Liverpool didn't have to take Anelka as part of the deal.
There is also Diego Forlan.
ivixxiv
That just is not on. How dare you say those things.
Great season he's had. Broken hamstrings an' all. Great prospect.
Come on, I can't really hope to take your point of view seriously if you're going to claim that Torres is a poor player because he's had a bad injury. It's not even an injury that he won't fully recover from.
There is also Diego Forlan.
Nope, not having that. Utd didn't pay a fortune for him and he always was and is a very, very good player. Veron yes, Forlan no way.
Michael Owen to Newcastle, Adrian Mutu, Hugo Viana.
Breaking news - SBZ has come up with a worse deal.See, I told you I'd be happy to be wrong.
I humbly refer you to my post of over 2 hours ago:
Veron, also to United
Michael Owen to Newcastle, Adrian Mutu, Hugo Viana.
Still not in the £35m for 11 goals cat.
Newcastle have bent Liverpool over financially, that's not in question. It's the most egregious example of overpaying for a player I've every heard of - there's no comparison is there? [I'm not talking about players who cost a fortune and turned out to be poor - I mean at time of purchase].
Still, you can't call it a terrible deal - it'll just be mediocre, appropriately enough for LFC. Carroll looks very good and could easily be a success, but he'll never be in the same solar system as Torres as a player.
Hey ivixxiv, Wikipedia called and they want their [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Carroll#Personal_life ]content[/url] back.
Best young perspective goalscorer in the premiership at the moment: Hernandez. Scouted by the grand-master in the dark arts for was it $7million?
Makes The whole Torres/Carrol saga look even sadder. Carrol is definitely five times the player. Old bacon-face strikes again eh fred 😉 We'll win this year and carry on winning with this farce going on! Happy days 😀
yes fred [ very rude swear word ferguson] gets all upset about someone being rude to him ah bless. Have you heard of karma? Footy still brings out the ranty old fred of old..I do miss him
persoanlly Torres for 50 m is superb deal on current form and if you cannot hold on to him. Caroll for 35 m is a huge gamble and only time will tell. Personally I am not even sure he is worth 15 m on present record and makes the bent deal look a snip
Have you bin drinking, Binners? 🙄 Give it a couple of years; Bacon Face retires, Man U are skint, go into administration, have to sell all their talent, have no money to buy new players, have to sell their stadium to developers then pay rent to use it, sink down the table, get relegated, spend decades in the wilderness, and Man City fayns will be laughing to their graves.
You know that isn't all that impossible, either. This could be your last season of any success, for a long, long time. You know it too, don't you? [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10237268 ]£700m and rising.... [/url]
If Chelsea hadn't offered such a ridiculous sum for Torres, Liverpool wouldn't be paying £35m+ for Carrol.
As I said; when it all pans out, Liverpool could end up with a net spend of just £10m or so, and have 2 or three decent new players. Torres isn't irreplaceable. No one is. Ask David Beckham...
Chelsea are looking at spending over s[i]eventy million pounds tonight[/i]. If they then don't win owt this season, that could prove very costly indeed...
Come on, I can't really hope to take your point of view seriously
No, I think that's clear enough. I'll be losing sleep over it.
(My post to which you refer was missing some smileys to indicate that I was being sarcastic. Too late to edit now).
Yes, but the Premier League is rubbish Fred.
David Beckham...
And somewhere up north, a nicotine starved graphic designer gets wood.
When do the financial fair play rules come into effect? You know the ones that stop clubs who have made huge losses from spending huge sums on players...
SBZ - fairly soon I think - UEFA were proposing 2012? No doubt it'll drag on in the courts for a bit with the likes of Chelsea and City looking to get round things. UEFA may need to be careful the clubs don't rebel and form their own Euro super league....in my opinion.
I think it's next season. The interest alone on Man U's debts would see them in serious trouble. Man City and Chelsea's owners can simply cancel their debt, but the Glazers aren't in that luxurious position.
End of this season the rules kick in regarding transfer spending, the full rules start at the beginning of the 2012 season
I wonder why FIFA/UEFA don't consider a transfer budget cap like the budget cap in F1? Say, £50m per season per club? Would mean that clubs could either spend all their money in the summer, or keep some for the January window.
Also, what about squad size limits, like in International competition? Say, 25-30 players per team per season? Would stop the huge squad sizes that Man U and Chelsea especially enjoy. And the luxury big clubs have of having cup squads, European squads, etc. Plus it might put an end to clubs buying up players so their rivals can't have them, then loaning them out to lower teams.
£50m per season per club?
That would do Arsenal for about 5 years.
Elf - for the Champions League the clubs have to name no more than 25 players that can play in the comp.
That would do Arsenal for about 5 years.
Would that pay for one of the seats in the middle tier of The [insert sponsor's name] atmosphere-lite Stadium for five years?
LOL at DD 😀
Fred: 'IF' they don't win owt? Are you for real? What exactly are they going to win. You're not even going to get near the Champions league places. Spend what you like. You're a mid table team. At best 😉
Would that pay for one of the seats in the middle tier of The [insert sponsor's name] atmosphere-lite Stadium for five years?
Yes. You're awesome. Happy?
Obviously Arsenal are the only team to have corporate boxes. The thing is, those little compromises, along with the Highbury developments now turning a profit are the reason why:
The group's overall net debt has been reduced from £297.7m to £135.6m. That contrasts sharply with the £716m borrowed against Manchester United and their own stake in the club by the Glazers.
- [url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/sep/24/arsenal-announce-record-pre-tax-profits ]Sauce[/url].
Also, what about squad size limits, like in International competition? Say, 25-30 players per team per season?
Fred: Pay attention fella. That's been the case since the start of the season. Or did you not see the furore about the donkey lashers being fined for fielding a second rate team? The very same second rate team that beat you home and away this season.
You scousers really are the gift that never stops giving 🙂
Probbly not DD. It's proper spensive is [s]Highbury[/s] The Emirates. So much so that Arsenal fayns I know have given up going to matches. I remember going to see Arsenal v Liverpool, league cup game about 20 years ago or more, cost a pound cos I looked under 16. 😀 And the Arsenal fayns were so quiet, all you could hear for most of the game was the few thousand or so travelling LFC fayns. It wasn't called 'The Library' for nothing...
Not now though. Highbury is posh flats now. And apparently, according to the Arsenal fayns I know, the Emirates is devoid of atmosphere. And that's Arsenal fayns talking. 😆
Lovely big new stadium, all flash and shiny - empty trophy room so far...
Elfin.
Why write fayns?
empty trophy room so far...
Never mind. They're turning a profit. That's the important thing.
You scousers really are the gift that never stops giving
You stick to the designering stuff binners. Leave the copy to the clever lads. That's the umpteenth time you've used that line.
Look at Binners getting all twitchy! 😆
You know I'm right about Man U's spiralling debts, don't you? You're stuffed mate. Give it a couple of years, and you'll be calling yourselves Newton Heath again...
A Manchester United fayn, earlier:
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Never mind. They're turning a profit. That's the important thing.
Have Arsenal not won anything for 5 years? Weird. You would have thought there would have been something in the papers, or on the telly, or on forums etc?
Strange.
Anyways. The stability that actually being financially viable, having the the second longest serving manager in in recent times and consistently being in the top 3 of the league as well as progressing past the group stages of the Champions League is actually not too bad. I can live with it.
Fayns.
Y'know, [i]fayns[/i], Jamie. Inna London Tahyn Stylee...
Like 'vayn':
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I can live with it.
It's no wonder the Emirates is like a graveyard.
Have Arsenal not won anything for 5 years?
Well it's closer to six actually, but no, they haven't. Champions League you say?
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Oh look the cabinet's too small to put the fifth one in...
Here you go, so you don't feel left out:
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It's no wonder the Emirates is like a graveyard.
....here is the thing though. Why the bullshit DD/Elfin? I simply posted that Arsenal could get by on a reduced budget to buy in players as Arsene Wenger is very frugal. How does that warrant an attack on a perceived lack of atmosphere or corporate boxes at Emirates?
You want to wind your neck in unless you want to constantly reinforce the boorish stereotype football fans have on STW.
...oh and obviously come across as an extraordinarily thin skinned individual who feels the first form of defensive against an imagined attack is to...well...try, and I use the word loosely...attack.
Anyways, I will leave you 2 to compare trophies or cocks or whatever. Guess the thread has run it's course.
Anyway back on topic the long haired woman beater is now the 8th most expensive payer ever. Newcastle have mugged the bindippers right off
You want to wind your neck in unless you want to constantly reinforce the boorish stereotype football fans have on STW.
Oooh get you. It's just a chat about football FFS. The footie haterz aren't going to change their mind...we're not all like binners 😉 I believe you started the thread...what...as a real discussion about whether Andy Carroll is worth 35 big ones? (That was a rhetorical question). If you're going to go all high and mighty about your club, at the expense of somebody else's, then expect the shortcomings of yours to be highlighted too.
Anyways, I will leave you 2 to compare trophies or cocks or whatever. Guess the thread has run it's course.
LOLcarpetz. Yet another flounce this year. Is this a fashion I'm missing?
You might want to recognise a bit of banter when you see it chappie.
EDIT: Removed threatening language in my response "You want to wind your neck in..." No place for that really.
If you're going to go all high and mighty about your club, at the expense of somebody else's, then expect the shortcomings of yours to be highlighted too.
This. 'Ooh look at us we're so clever and frugal and everything'. Yeah, and you ain't winning owt.
Well, that's that, it seems. Torres to Chelsea, Carrol to Liverpool. Time will tell, as which was the best bit of business.
Right, let's start by beating Chelsea at the Bridge (another ground with bugger all atmosphere from the home fayns), then winning all our remaining games, pipping Man U to the title! 😀 Torres breaks a toenail and is out for the rest of the season. Fergie finally explodes and kicks a boot which bounces back off Rooney's head, and knocks Fergie out. Fergie retires and is put in a nursing home, wibbling about the BBC being out of order and other such nonsense. Emirates is found to have been built incredibly shoddily, is condemned and demolished. Arsenal make an audacious bid to take over the Olympic Stadium, but instead end up on a bit of waste ground round the back of White Hart Lane, next to a old peoples' home. The atmosphere at home games improves dramatically.
coming in late here but as a newcastle fan i feel like testing the swear filter
Now, now...don't be reinforcing the boorish nature of football fans here 😛
Ha ha, Torres on joining Chelsea "It is the dream for every top class footballer to play at a top class club and now I can do that"
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Contrast with Carroll who didn't want to leave Newcastle
As Binners said earlier just a mid table club
[b]ivixxiv[/b]
I seem to recognise this username. Haven't you been banned a fair few times? Why do you keep coming back?
Good luck to Torres. He'll be missed on Anfield, but the manner of his departure sours his image as a Liverpool great somewhat. As I said earlier, no player is irreplaceable. He makes way for others to make their mark at the club.
I'd like to see him back to his best, regardless of what club he plays for, for football's sake. The irony is of course, that he improved dramatically following the departure of Hodgson, and was starting to look like the player of two seasons ago. He's a moody player, and needs to feel 'right', in order to excel. I wonder if any dip in form at Chelsea will see him pushed out to the fringes like so many others at that machine. Schevchenko, anyone? Chelsea are in a slump themselves; if he can't perform the miracles his price tag might demand, will he be able to settle in and find his place there? At least at Liverpool he knew it would take time for the club to rebuild and mount a strong challenge; at Chelsea he will be expected to be on top form every single moment of every game he plays. Will he cope, if he ends up another astronomically expensive bench-warmer?
As for Carroll and concerns about his temperament; Liverpool have had fiery players in the past. Dalglish played with and then managed Souness, so will be perfectly placed to take Carroll under his wing I'd imagine. Bellamy was more disciplined at Liverpool than perhaps he was at any other club, and even El Hadji Diouf was quite restrained during his time at Anfield. And Carroll will mature, hopefully. He's not the worst when it comes to his off the field indiscretions...
Carroll and Suarez up front. Quite a good combo on paper, I'd say. The kind Liverpool haven't had for bloody ages. Let's hope it becomes a good one in reality.
As for Charlie Adam; I'm not a betting mayn, but I'd tip him to go to Old Trafford next season. Apparently Spuds almost got him, but I reckon Fergie's working his evil on that one.
Bring it on. Stoke next, then Chelsea....
Torres is shite anyway.
As for mid table club. Mid table position maybe, but let's be honest about this, only Liverpool and the scum have the sort of global following and brand recognition to rival real, AC et al. Having a rich benefactor does not make a 'big club', it's built up over decades. Once we have the stadium we need, Liverpool and united are the only true 'giants' of English football. With that in mind, in the medium to long term, we will be right back up there. Where would Chelsea be without abramovic...
They can't even sell their allocation for away games, how pathetic is that!!! Ha ha ha.
Im pretty gutted Torres has gone tbh, also pretty gutted we have spend £35M on Carrol, it's a mental gamble imo, suddenly makes Suarez look decent value though...
Still no left back or wide players despite £60M outlay is quite frustrating as well!
Torres is shite anyway.
Don't be so silly. When he's on top form, he's one of the best strikers in the World.
What I will say, is that he did seem a tad lightweight, speshly recently. Knocked off the ball a bit too easily, din't seem to have quite the confidence he needed to go past defenders. Too scared of picking up yet another injury? I've suspected this for some time now.
TBH Liverpool were carrying Torres too often, and relying on him too much. I think it's a shame that he din't stay, and forge a partnership with Suarez, but there you go. I think most Liverpool and newcastle fayns would have preferred to see their stars remain, but that's football. Nothing is permanent really.
C'mon, the comment was Tongue in cheek....
I am disappointed, but I won't miss him. I can't wait to see Carroll in full flow, big dunc scared the hell out of defenders and he never had players of the quality of Liverpools around him. Torres will not stay injury free, it's a matter of when not if.
Well, after all that, Liverpool have lost Torres, but gained Suarez and Carroll, all for a net spend of just £2m, if you include the Babel deal. This would have been the same if Torres had gone for a more realistc £30m, and Carrol for £15m. It's Chelsea who've really gone ott, ultimately. That's £71m+ they've just spent. 😯 They haven't sold anyone. Who's had the best deal?