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Someday a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets.
to add to the conspiracy theories how many of the leaders of social services, the council, the safeguarding children board and the police in Rotherham are alumni of http://www.commonpurpose.org.uk/ ?
more good reading here http://rotherhampolitics.wordpress.com/
Thanks for that big n daft, seems you're not daft at all 😉
Seems the former councillor responsible for children's services at Rotherham Council and the current South Yorkshire Police and Crime Commissioner, Shaun Wright, has resigned from the Labour Party but not from his PCC role. What a complete selfish t**t not having the balls to take some responsibility for these horrendous cases of abuse of hundreds of children 🙁
Resignation offers too much retention of self esteem and they can always plead they were forced to do so, sack them all, every last one who turned a blind eye, ignored the evidence, failed to investigate or follow up accusations. Then prosecute each and every one of them to the absolute maximum possible for whatever offence will hit them hardest, minions to managers, administrators to leaders. 1200 children's lives have been ruined, their childhood stolen.
Big n Daft - as someone who grew up in Rotherham I am rarely surprised by what I hear of the behaviour of the council and some of its members. I'm sure that there must be some excellent people but they seem to be continually overshadowed by their less capable colleagues.
anyway Tom are you NSPCC?
Nope, nor a quack or anything related to the matter at hand.
but having a certain political affiliation isn't a "cultural" thing, arguably the diversity of political opinion within our culture is one of it's strengths
Yes, yes it really is. The vast majority of UKIP members and voters are white.
my understanding is that they stopped fostering
Stopped or forced to stop?
on a scale of likely harm in a short term placement and in the context of the reports out this week may I postulate the social work team should have been focusing their efforts elsewhere at the time
Maybe.
MrsCat has just pointed out my error that it was 1400 children and that is more than the entire school population of the comp we both attended in sunny Rotherham. It's hard to conceive of something on that scale not being discovered without a significant amount of collusion or conspiracy.
Well worth reading Big n Daft's links, especially the blog that mentions the intimidation and threats the author received when trying to publicise the case of the victims.
Tom you were so careful to use the same language as Joyce Thacker about the culture of the foster parents that I thought you were in a common purpose with her?
However the notion that political party membership defines you culturally in absolute terms is clear trolling, or stupidity
Not sure either way about the whole common purpose thing, but heard before it may be an avenue worth investigating.
Just stumbled across this on twitter if it's any help to you big n daft:
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/charitable_donations_2
Admit this may be a conspiracy theory, but given government can hold back Iraq inquiry, it's a bit strange that they release a report which damages the reputation of South Yorkshire Police just after involvement with Cliff Richard
big_n_daft - Member
to add to the conspiracy theories how many of the leaders of social services, the council, the safeguarding children board and the police in Rotherham are alumni of http://www.commonpurpose.org.uk/ ?
In my personal opinion, highly relevant in the whole "newspeak" PC groupthink mindset. You also need top consider, of all the public sector bodies that have been demonstrated to have fallen below standards, how would the majority of their employees vote?
Anyway, some revealing stats on this: http://www.channel4.com/news/ceop-warns-against-focus-on-race-after-major-grooming-study
26% of grooming gangs are "Asian" - so clearly not all. However, taken against the another statistic, that Asians are only 7% of the population, it is worrying and it is unfortunate the demographic is not/cannot be further dissected.
Very interesting article here from a respected journo and womens campaigner:
http://www.juliebindel.org/?p=76
The more i hear about what goes on, the more i believe David Icke is right.
Ferris-Beuller - Member
The more i hear about what goes on, the more i believe David Icke is right.
Why, did he break the grooming story?
Colossally hard-hitting and damning article in the Telegraph today: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11059138/Rotherham-In-the-face-of-such-evil-who-is-the-racist-now.html
It covers a lot of what we've already discussed, but it is nonetheless interesting as an extremely direct attack on authorities.
More balanced Telegraph article.
The other article that Digga posted is a bit crap and rather typical of the unsavory elements of the right.
"Men of ****stani heritage treated white girls like toilet paper. They picked children up from schools and care homes and trafficked them across northern cities for other men to join in the fun. They doused a 15-year-old in petrol and threatened to set her alight should she dare to report them. They menaced entire families and made young girls watch as they raped other children."
It wasn't only white girls and it's debatable whether they even targeted white girls selectively.
And another decent commentary.
The Rotherham scandal seems temporarily to have silenced those who insist, every time a child-grooming case is exposed, that most paedophiles are white. Indeed they are; but the Rotherham abusers were not paedophiles. They were men of ****stani heritage slaking their lust on young girls they regarded as white trash because they knew they could get away with it.
LOL that's from Digga's post, so our nonces are proper nonces....[b]*sarcams on*[/b] these muslim nonces...they were just ****s being ****s. [b]*sarcasm off*[/b]
I thought that too Tom.
It's a rather ingenious way of playing down the problem of child abuse by white men as something done by a minority of white men and accuse all Asian men of being child abusers.
Similar tactics have been used by American and South African media outlets to smear or "****ize" the black community and (I really hate to do this) the single most similar example is Joseph Goebbels propaganda campaign.
This painting represents what that author thinks herself as, a thin red line against a horde of brown savages.
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The more i hear about what goes on, the more i believe David Icke is right.Why, did he break the grooming story?
For the record, I don't believe in shape shifting lizards, and this article is questionable, but interesting nonetheless:
http://humansarefree.com/2014/04/7-predictions-of-david-icke-that-came.html
Tom - you clearly have an agenda, which appears to be about minimising the racist element in all of this. Yes, it's probably safe to assume that women from the same cultural / religious background were targeted, though I've read no reports or seen any statistics on this ( don't know if you can suggest a link? ). However, there is no doubt that young non - Muslim women were targeted ( 1400 in case you missed that part ). Sadly, this will play into the hands of the far right, and that's just one aspect of this whole sorry mess that boils my piss. This shouldn't be about political view points or political correctness, but, again, the case appears to be heavily influenced by both. We constantly harp on about the authorities, for whatever reasons, not doing their jobs, and sit here blaming multiculturalism / immigration / left wing / right wing - it's all bollocks, and detracts attention from the evil people that actually committed these crimes, and the 1400 people whose lives are forever ****ed.
I think the concentration on the racial dimension is obscuring the more important element here: Class.
We need to stop focussing on the race of the perpetrators, and start focussing on the class of the victims
Do you think that 1400 nice, middle class kids, from nice areas, would be allowed to be abused? Of course they bloody wouldn't! These kids were effectively abandoned to their fate by authorities who regarded them with almost subhuman contempt. These kids were poor. They were the 'underclass'. They were unworthy of the care of the state, or the authorities, who simply washed their hands of them, or at points actively persecuted them. Same as they did in Rochdale.
Some men, asian or white, or black, or whatever, are sadistic sexual predators. They have radar that picks up on kids who are available to them, as they have no protection. And they target them and exploit them.
I do think there is a problem from a racial point of view. As we have an ethnic group who's culture and religion tells them that ALL women are second class, and their inferiors. ALL females to them fall in varying degrees of importance, from not-very-important at the top, and descending from there.
How do we address that? I haven't a clue. Its endemic in large parts of the culture.
But these men did what that did because they were primarily opportunists. They spotted the complete failure of the white, middle class civic, and judicial society to give a flying **** about what they now regard as an underclass, due to years of dehumanising, demonising, and vitriolic chastising, by successive governments and a truly vile right wing press. Who ironically are now outraged at this state of affairs.
Race is an issue here, sure. But its class that is the root cause of this problem. And thats what needs to be addressed here! And fast!
Filthy scum who deserve to swing did terrible things to hundreds of vulnerable children for over a decade under the noses of the authorities who's very existence was to protect these children.
But they chose to ignore it despite well founded suspions at least and direct knowledge at most because they thought they lived in a society where being a racist was the worst kind of scum and when racist would be used to describe anyone who disagreed with how other people of different heritage lived or behaved .
It does not matter what race the perpetrators were or what colour the children were.
But how society allowed it self to get so ****ed up to allow political correctness to overrule all else at the expense of these children.
http://www.easterneye.eu/news/uk-news/Vulnerable+Asian+girls+targeted+by+sex+grooming+gangs++/2858
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28951612
Most of the victims in the cases examined were white British girls, but the report found the abuse of Asian girls was not necessarily reported.Zlakha Ahmed, from the organisation Apna Haq which supports Asian women and children facing violence in the home, said there has been a long-standing problem of Asian girls suffering abuse.
She said: "The report's not come as a shock to me in terms that we've known about these issues for a number of years now.
"They follow the exact same model as the report that's been released; the difference is that the victims are Asian Muslim young girls and the perpetrators have been Muslim ****stani men.
"It's just a pattern of abuse that's being repeated with another set of vulnerable girls."
Prof Jay reported: "****stani-heritage girls were targeted by taxi drivers and on occasion by older men lying in wait outside school gates.
"The women and girls feared reporting such incidents to the police because it would affect their future marriage prospects."
http://www.****/news/article-2416586/Gangs-Asian-men-grooming-MUSLIM-girls-plying-drink-drugs.html
It's not hard to work out that it's harder for girls to speak out when they come from a community that's cut off from the rest of the country culturally. The same happened with other institutions and cultures that can cut themselves off from authorities, such as the vatican.
A 10er says that no one will bother trying to investigate these claims though.
We constantly harp on about the authorities, for whatever reasons, not doing their jobs, and sit here blaming multiculturalism / immigration / left wing / right wing - it's all bollocks, and detracts attention from the evil people that actually committed these crimes, and the 1400 people whose lives are forever ****.
What I was trying to say earlier and what the torygraph article I linked to said in a more moderate fashion. That we risk ignoring the plain incompetence of the police and council by focusing on the "PC" element.
It's not hard to work out that it's harder for girls to speak out when they come from a community that's cut off from the rest of the country culturally.
Its also not hard to work out that its harder for police to investigate and deal with a problem when the offenders come from a community that is not only cut off from the rest of the country culturally, but clubs together and stonewalls the police, while vociferously accusing them of a racist led agenda whenever they try to investigate serious crime being committed by 'upstanding members of our community'
Its also not hard to work out that whenever police and council officials fear being labelled as anything 'ist' due to the damaging effect it will have on their career prospects, they are less likely to delve into issues that risk becoming controversial - even the local MP had admitted that [i]"I think there was a culture of not wanting to rock the multicultural community boat if I may put it like that.”[/i] and discussing [i]“the oppression of women within bits of the Muslim community”[/i] he said [i]“Perhaps yes, as a true Guardian reader, and liberal leftie, I suppose I didn’t want to raise that too hard.” [/i]
Its also not hard to work out that its harder for police to investigate and deal with a problem when the offenders come from a community that is not only cut off from the rest of the country culturally, but clubs together and stonewalls the police, while vociferously accusing them of a racist led agenda whenever they try to investigate serious crime being committed by 'upstanding members of our community'
They don't even need to stonewall the police, the fact that they are heavily religious will see to it that most girls don't speak out. Even if their parents would want to know and report to the police.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28951612
See video, who talked to ****stani community about racism? It seems no one did and the council just assumed they would be accused of racism, I still think it's a major cop out and as Binners mentioned above....a cover for the fact that the council and police were prejudiced against the working classes.
Not sure I agree [i]entirely[/i]. I agree the blame for what happened to these 1400 lives lies solely with their abusers.Tom_W1987 - MemberWe constantly harp on about the authorities, for whatever reasons, not doing their jobs, and sit here blaming multiculturalism / immigration / left wing / right wing - it's all bollocks, and detracts attention from the evil people that actually committed these crimes, and the 1400 people whose lives are forever ****.
What I was trying to say earlier and what the torygraph article I linked to said in a more moderate fashion. That we risk ignoring the plain incompetence of the police and council by focusing on the "PC" element.
However, the failings of numerous public bodies is telling - there is a thread running through them all which indoctrinated them with a pro-multi-cultural message that effectively said "hands off" these cases. Within this I can also understand the view that white working class people feel highly marginalised - abandoned by 'their' party, facing increased competition for jobs from immigrants and seeing wholesale changes to their respective neighbourhoods.
who talked to ****stani community about racism? It seems no one did and the council just assumed they would be accused of racism,
From the report:
[i]There was too much reliance by agencies on traditional community leaders such as elected members and imams as being the primary conduit of communication with the ****stani-heritage community. [/i]
[i]The Deputy Council Leader (2011-2014) from the ****stani-heritage community was clear that he had not understood the scale of the CSE problem in Rotherham until 2013. He then disagreed with colleague elected members on the way to approach it. He had advocated taking the issue 'head on' but had been overruled. He was one of the elected members who said they thought the criminal convictions in 2010 were 'a one-off, isolated case', and not an example of a more deep-rooted problem of ****stani-heritage perpetrators targeting young white girls. This was at best naïve, and at worst ignoring a politically inconvenient truth.[/i]
Tom you were so careful to use the same language as Joyce Thacker about the culture of the foster parents that I thought you were in a common purpose with her?
What are you trying to insinuate there big n daft?
Not sure I agree entirely. I agree the blame for what happened to these 1400 lives lies solely with their abusers.
However, the failings of numerous public bodies is telling - there is a thread running through them all which indoctrinated them with a pro-multi-cultural message that effectively said "hands off" these cases. Within this I can also understand the view that white working class people feel highly marginalised - abandoned by 'their' party, facing increased competition for jobs from immigrants and seeing wholesale changes to their respective neighbourhoods.
I agree, I just don't believe at all that "political correctness" was the PRIMARY factor in the failure to deal with this. I just don't see that in the report.
There was too much reliance by agencies on traditional community leaders such as elected members and imams as being the primary conduit of communication with the ****stani-heritage community.
Precisely, they approached a few "community leaders" quietly. Great. 👿 Did you find when they first approached community leaders about the issue?
There was too much reliance by agencies on traditional community leaders such as elected members and imams as being the primary conduit of communication with the ****stani-heritage community.
So ... much like going to see a priest to discuss how to tackle the problem of child abuse in the indigenous white community. Sounds like a great idea! Thats exactly who I'd be looking too to provide the solutions to complex social problems
Not sure I agree entirely. I agree the blame for what happened to these 1400 lives lies solely with their abusers.
It does not it lies with every one who new it was happening or suspected it was happening and chose to do nothing , as well .
I despair, I really do.
To be specific, if I suspect someone of murder, but do nothing about it, the law cannot prosecute [i]me[/i] for murder. I may be prosecuted for other things, but not for that act.chip - Member
Not sure I agree entirely. I agree the blame for what happened to these 1400 lives lies solely with their abusers.
It does not it lies with every one who new it was happening or suspected it was happening and chose to do nothing aswel.
I despair, I really do
If you suspect someone is kidnapping young girls , beating them and gang raping them, and do nothing you are a horrible **** who deserves to swing too ,
Just my opinion,
You don't think pc has anything to do with it, Tom dedicated most of his energies on this thread trying to prove the filthy animals behaviour was in no way race related or motivated.
Most ironic.
Try imagining being locked in a back room with a bunch of men about to tear you a new.
And realise the true horror of what has gone on and how badly these children have been failed .
I had a rant on here a while back about Muslims being 'outraged' at the most ridiculous of things.
What i want to know is when do they get 'outraged' about things that come directly from their culture or their societies.
Where are their leaders condoning this kind of behaviour? Why are they not 'outraged' about this? Why aren't they outraged about beheadings of innocent people? Why aren't they outraged about Hamas firing rockets into Israel?
No matter where muslims are, it seems that trouble isnt far behind. Sweden had / has a big problem at the moment i believe. This country is sleepwalking into a terror problem and the majority of the population are either oblivious or dont care.
I know Christians have done things that arent exactly cricket, but that was hundreds of years ago and times have changed.
How do you know they're not outraged by any of the things you've posted?
Ferris-Beuller - Member
I had a rant on here a while back about Muslims being 'outraged' at the most ridiculous of things.What i want to know is when do they get 'outraged' about things that come directly from their culture or their societies
Here's one. His opinions seem very clear and forthright on the subject: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/11059268/****stanis-must-condemn-the-Rotherham-abuses.html
[i]that was hundreds of years ago[/i]
or 1995 (Sebrenitsa).
that was hundreds of years agoor 1995 (Sebrenitsa).
Not to mention that if Muslims get a bit shooty with each other, they're all savages. Forgetting the fact that wherever white Europeans are.... it seems to kick off in a far more hilarious style.
Opium Wars, Boer War, WW1, WW2, Vietnam War, Gulf War, Iraq War 2. whoooo
Not that I particularly like Islamic culture and prefer western secularism and enlightenment thinking by far etc....
You don't think pc has anything to do with it, Tom dedicated most of his energies on this thread trying to prove the filthy animals behaviour was in no way race related or motivated.
No, originally I was saying that it was not a primary factor. Not anything like you lot have claimed it to be.
Gurniad reporting there may be an issue with SYP - big shock after Orgreave and Hillsborough - do some folk live completely disconnected from reality?!
"South Yorkshire police was under further pressure today after an audit by Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Constabulary (HMIC) concluded that officers in its public protection unit spent "a great deal deal of time trying to disprove" victims' allegations."
"...inspectors had examined 53 reports to South Yorkshire's specialist departments. Out of those, 34 crimes should have been recorded – but only 18 were, the report said. Of these 18 crimes, eight fell outside the 72-hour limit allowed to record incidents."
Hard to make this stuff up! That's less than 1 in 3.
[url= http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/aug/28/south-yorkshire-police-hmic-report-rotherham ]http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/aug/28/south-yorkshire-police-hmic-report-rotherham[/url]
What are you trying to insinuate there big n daft?
simple, you very carefully set out that the "culture" of UKIP members/ voters means that they are pathologically incapable of providing a satisfactory foster placement for immigrant children. This is the language of Joyce Thacker head of Rotherham council childrens services
do you agree with her views on CSE
?When asked why there had been so few people brought to justice for child sexual exploitation in Rotherham, she replied: “Prosecution is the icing on the cake.”
Last year, during an appearance before Parliament’s Home Affairs Select Committee to give evidence on child grooming in Rotherham she told MPs: “I do not think I would fully accept that we have failed dismally to deal with the issue.”
Really!
I've not read all these posts and not sure if this has been mentioned before. In 2004 Channel 4 did a documentary "Edge of the city" based in Bradford. It highlighted the grooming of children by Asian gangs and was originally dropped as the authorities accused it of inflaming racial tensions during the local elections.
I was not surprised to hear of the extent of the abuse in Rotherham. I'll be equally less shocked by the stories that will appear in the near future over these types of abuse cases. It will all die down again and then in another decade it will hit the news again as the victims are less important in the eyes of the leaders of local government and police than the feelings of an ethnic minority race.
Unlike Binners I don't think this is anything to do with class but misplaced intentions in regards to race relations and incompetent leaders pandering to those groups.
I think Binners has an interesting point about the class of the girls who were abused.
No doubt in this instance that the main perpetrators were primarily Asian, however, will we ever know the full extent of abuses and deaths carried out in the name of the church?
This year we had the revelations of almost 800 deaths in Tuam in Ireland, with bodies in a septic tank.
In Canada, there is much to suggest abuse on a truly horrific scale within Church run residential schools, with some reports suggesting the genocide of 50,000 native children, many within living memory.
http://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2013/07/19/a_canadian_genocide_in_search_of_a_name.html
This documentary covers the case in more detail, but makes for harrowing viewing with horrific witness testimonies:
Interestingly, maker of the documentary, Kevin Annett, was originally a church minister, who became concerned at the lack of integration of the Native People, so he engaged with their communities and discovered the reasons for their mistrust of the church.
It appears that Kevin's work may have played a part in the resignation of Pope Benedict...
Even Pope Francis has admitted that there are several paedophiles within the Church
Hard to know what to believe, but there is certainly much that we're not being told