[Closed] "1,400 children were subjected to "appalling" sexual exploitation in Rotherham"

Shocking report on Rotherham by Panorama last night:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b05zv4bw/panorama-stolen-childhoods-the-legacy-of-grooming

Very concerned by the organized nature of the nationwide networks trafficking kids

All of it's shocking and truely appalling @jive but for me it's intensity of it in single locations like Oxford and Rotherham and the complicity of so many people who willfully or negligently turned a blind eye.

Police announce there are 300 potential suspects, quote from Guardian. Political correctness gone totally mad in allowing this to go on for so long.

[i]The officer confirmed most of the potential suspects were Asian men and most of the victims were white British girls and young women.[/i]

[url= http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jun/24/rotherham-child-sexual-exploitation-inquiry-300-suspects ]link[/url]

Excellent coverage on Channel 4 News this evening. A summary here with the interviews and news coverage http://www.channel4.com/news/hundreds-of-child-sex-offenders-identified-in-rotherham

Both Nazir Afzal and Sarah Champion, Labour MP got straight to the point. In Rotherham, Rochdale and Oxford this was an issue of predominantly ****stani men. The majority of sex abuse in the UK is carried out by white British males, but in these cases the picture is predominantly possibly exclusively ****stanai men and there is an issue that street grooming has a racial profile. ****stani men and young white girls.

What has allowed this to continue for 20 years has been an abject failure of the local authorities including the police who are predominantly white. The only explanation I have is one of a misguided sense of political correctness.

I saw that tonight. Good report. Ad it seems that at long last the the authorities are actually dressing the issue for what it is, without being terrified of the racial implications.

Interesting to note that at least 2 of the main suspects being investigated are local councillors. I can't say that came as a great shock

I was in the Houses of Parliament yesterday, at this meeting:

http://europe.newsweek.com/allegations-fly-heated-westminster-child-abuse-conference-329209

This was especially chilling:

One survivor who was placed in care in homes in Rotherham, Warrington, North Wales and Rochdale, told the audience in an earlier meeting that abuse had taken place in each home. "How was that possible?" he asked. "I would have had to have been the unluckiest kid on the planet for every place they put me in for abuse to happen. That could only have come about with planning

There was also an account from a Social worker from Cheshire who had tried to inform his co-workers of ongoing abuse and rape of young kids, who was ignored by his colleagues, then the police, then eventually jailed in an attempt to silence him.

This was not in the distant past, but within the last year.

He, along with a number of others with similar stories mentioned that Freemasons had played a part in the cover up.

@binners, agreed. It's a difficult subject to watch but I was very reassured by what I heard. Like you not a total surprise to hear some of the suspects where counselors past and present.

He, along with a number of others with similar stories mentioned that Freemasons had played a part in the cover up.

What has happened in appalling. In Rochdale, Rotherham and Oxford the issue has been one of political correctness. I really don't think it's credible to suggest that the "establishment" is trying to cover up the systematic abuse of children in care by ****stani men.

The secondary issue here is that it's political correctness in predominantly left wing authorities (Rochdale, Rotherham and Oxford are all run by the left)

Are ****stani men known for their Freemasonary membership?

The last time I was in a Freemason's lodge, I'm pretty sure the only faces I saw there were those of white men. And I live in East Lancashire where there's a larger-than-average proportion of ****stani families.

I take it you're a Freemason Cougar?

Don't worry Cougar, you take your time...

in the meantime, let's not forget that much of the scandal comes from the fact that the Police ([url= http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/mar/26/rotherham-investigation-42-police-named-abuse-allegations ]42 Officers out of how many[/url]?) and council were complicit in the cover up of abuse:

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That's before taking into account it was known about as far back as 2001 and reported to the Home Office in 2003...

Are we sure the blame can be laid solely on political correctness?

No, it's Freemasonry, obviously. Once again, with Cougar's question above, you ignore a perfectly reasonable question.

Are we sure the blame can be laid solely on political correctness?

Yes ! an absolute career wrecking fear of being regarded as racist.

Try a bit of a diversion on your intensive researchs : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Honeyford

think corrected this non-fact somewhere earlier in the thread opinions are opinions but some facts are simple facts

jambalaya - Member

.......The secondary issue here is that it's political correctness in predominantly left wing authorities (Rochdale, Rotherham and Oxford are all run by the left)

Oxford County Council is responsible for protection of children not Oxford City Council - Oxford County Council is Conservative controlled hence my opinion no intervention

Yes ! an absolute career wrecking fear of being regarded as racist.

@antigee, point taken

The last time I was in a Freemason's lodge, I'm pretty sure the only faces I saw there were those of white men

@jive being part of a group trying to discover the truth about child abuse is something I applaud. However I fear your motivation isn't in trying to protect children but to pursue your anti-establishment / conspiracy theory agendas. I honestly find that thought quite distressing.

I think jambys points about left wing councils being too PC are mostly true*, however it seems to have created a dreadful situation with prevailimg right wing Police attitude, which seems to have been that the these girls were 'chav' scum and virtually prostitutes, so not worth worrying about

* although I suspect its majorly influenced by the massive underfunding of social work, and fear of a repetition of the riots like those seen in Oldham etc

I take it you're a Freemason Cougar?

I'm sure you do, but unfortunately that's another incorrect conclusion you've jumped to.

I think jambys points about left wing councils being too PC are mostly true*, however it seems to have created a dreadful situation with prevailimg right wing Police attitude, which seems to have been that the these girls were 'chav' scum and virtually prostitutes, so not worth worrying about

* although I suspect its majorly influenced by the massive underfunding of social work, and fear of a repetition of the riots like those seen in Oldham etc

I don’t see it as an entirely right wing /left wing issue; it’s more to do with a fear of appearing racist, when the interpretation of being racist is anyone with the audacity to criticize the action or attitudes of a particular ethnic group. These accusations have happened in the past: re: Ray Honeyford being a classic case and that was way before the Oldham riots.
If the Police did have a prevailing right wing attitude I would imagine they would have directed this attitude towards pursuing convictions against Asian men rather than ignoring the white chav scum its blatantly obvious that the Police did nothing for fear of being seen as racist/right wing.

its blatantly obvious that the Police did nothing for fear of being seen as racist/right wing.

really any evidence whatsoever for that?

as opposed to JHJ's post which clearly shows police contempt for the victims

really any evidence whatsoever for that?

as opposed to JHJ's post which clearly shows police contempt for the victims

No I haven't any evidence that would satisfy the point you are trying to make, if you read the wiki page about Ray Honeyford Iam sure you could deduce that he was hounded out of his job because he had the audacity to criticise the Muslim community in Bradford. Are you telling me the predominantly white male police of south Yorkshire who you yourself said were prevailingly right wing sided in favour of Asian men against white teenage girls?
Saying that it was covered up because of so called political correctness is probably wrong , I strongly doubt many of the white male police officers of south Yorkshire were great exponents of political correctness, they feared that if the accusations at the time were aired they themselves would be accused of racism and it was that fear that dissuaded them from pursuing the cases.

I mentioned the left/right issue as I think the left is particularly driven by the PC agenda, add this to the electoral reality that a big part of their voter base in these constituencies are ****stani.

The police issue is more curious, if they are as racist as people say they are you'd think they would pursue this vigorously. Personally I believe the police where also afraid of being called racist and abdicated responsibility to social services.

Perhaps the PC label is not the correct one, people are afraid of losing their job and/or being called a racist so it's easier to ignore a potentially difficult situation than deal with it

Playing devil's advocate for a moment, would you be more or less likely to have concerns about being outed as a racist if you actually were one?

Playing devil's advocate for a moment, would you be more or less likely to have concerns about being outed as a racist if you actually were one?

I suppose it would depend upon the consequences you would be subjected to if you were outed !

A copper/public servant would lose their job, pension future employability, why wreck your prospects if you can turn a blind eye !

TBH if you are not a racist you wont care about someone calling you a racist as they wont be able to prove you are a racist because its not true and everyone you work with will know this.
I have had, including working for social services and YOT, been accused of racism by folk on more than one occasion. Someone once called me the racist face of the white establishment 😆
Never cared as it was all BS
In this case there is no proof just innuendo.
IME some folk hate PC and blame it for many things and the left even when it proves to be factually incorrect that they were all left wing councils I like the way you addressed that error Jamb ...best way to keep the 100% record eh

The only issue i have here is deciding who is more likely to listen to reason Jamb or Jive...... tough call.
Bows out realising what futile means

Are ****stani men known for their Freemasonary membership?

I don't know, are they?

If there are any open and honest Freemasons on the forum, maybe they can suggest where ****stani men may fit in to the structure of Freemasonry:

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Once again, with Cougar's question above, you ignore a perfectly reasonable question.

My previous answers have already addressed how this is a bigger issue than simply the ****stani Abusers, from the local police and council, to the Home Office, the issue was willfully ignored and files went missing.

Whether or not this was down to Freemasonry is debatable...

Another point worth noting is that in the instance which brought about this area of discussion (quoted below), the abusers were white

There was also an account from a Social worker from Cheshire who had tried to inform his co-workers of ongoing abuse and rape of young kids, who was ignored by his colleagues, then the police, then eventually jailed in an attempt to silence him.

This was not in the distant past, but within the last year.

He, along with a number of others with similar stories mentioned that Freemasons had played a part in the cover up.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33310095

Expanding on Janner a little:

[url= http://exaronews.com/articles/5598/police-seized-abuse-evidence-to-protect-lord-janner-ex-officer ]Police seized abuse evidence to protect Lord Janner[/url]

Well I never, just realized [url= http://www.****/news/article-3064947/Lord-Janner-director-firm-THREE-WEEKS-ago-emerges-damning-dossier-alleges-police-chief-allowed-peer-molest-young-boys.html ]in the link I posted in the Janner thread[/url], it suggests he was a Freemason!!

At the heart of the alleged conspiracy is a man called Michael Hirst. He was the Chief Constable of Leicestershire for much of the 1980s, and went on to become a director of the private security company Group 4.

According to the legal papers, which date from the early 1990s, Mr Hirst just happened to be ‘very close friends’ with Greville Janner. Both men, the dossier alleges, were Freemasons.

The tale of corruption and criminality is so sinister that it might have been plucked from the plot of a late-night TV drama.

At its heart is a famous politician with a dark secret: he has for years been living a vile double life as a prolific abuser of children.

His crimes are known to the forces of law and order in the city that he represents. Yet the local police chief, a close friend and fellow Freemason, works to ensure that he is never brought to justice.

At one point, when the ‘untouchable’ Parliamentarian is threatened with exposure, in a messy court case, local detectives falsify criminal evidence in an effort to protect him.

Soon afterwards, the politician sends ‘heavies’ to knock on the doors of witnesses, in the hope of intimidating them into staying silent.

Then allies in City Hall instruct staff to shred documents that might result in his repellent activities becoming public.

Finally, the police chief launches an organised campaign to destroy the reputation of a brave whistle-blower who is attempting to expose the whole, stinking business.

As a result, the abuse continues unchecked, on an industrial scale. Dozens, if not scores, more vulnerable children are abused. Many still bear the scars to this day.
At the heart of the alleged conspiracy to protect Lord Janner is Michael Hirst (pictured). He was the Chief Constable of Leicestershire for much of the 1980s
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At the heart of the alleged conspiracy to protect Lord Janner is Michael Hirst (pictured). He was the Chief Constable of Leicestershire for much of the 1980s

Corruption being a two-way street, the politician, meanwhile, helps funnel public money to the very police force whose bosses are helping him stay out of jail.

Sounds appalling, doesn’t it? But these deeply disturbing events have not been taken from a fictitious crime novel or TV script.

Instead, they are contained in a dossier of legal documents which outline events that took place in a British city during the 1980s and 1990s.

So who remembers talk of Lord Mountbatten (mentor of Prince Charles, who introduced Jimmy Savile to the Royals) and his links to Kincora?

[url= http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5608/richard-kerr-names-powerful-men-who-covered-up-kincora ]I wasn't fibbing[/url]

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Was there any notable heads of the CIA whilst Maurice Oldfield was head of MI6?

Here is the Australian Programme... why hasn't a similar investigation hasn't been broadcast here yet?

Along with MPs serving until the recent election and current members of the house of Lords, there is mention of Leon Brittan, along with Greville Janner and Cyril Smith:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jul/22/leon-brittan-westminster-child-abuse-files

Britain's name pops up again

It's gone very quiet on this thread. Anyone a freemason?

all too busy reading the Chilcot report 🙄

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-33755726 ]Latest news is that there is an IPCC investigation into Ted Heath[/url]...

Of particular note is mention of Wiltshire police as it was Wiltshire police who were linked to the investigation into Haut de La Garenne on Jersey, where it is alleged that Jimmy Savile would procure children, trafficked from carehomes and orphanages across the UK to be taken out on yachts by VIPs (including Edward Heath's yacht, the Morning Cloud) and savagely abused.

It is said that many of the children never returned from sea...

[url= http://www.islingtontribune.com/news/2014/oct/postcards-link-islington-care-home-children-scene-notorious-jersey-sex-abuse ]records of children visiting Jersey care homes have been destroyed.[/url]

[url= http://www.****/news/article-523706/I-known-Jersey-paedophiles-15-years-says-award-winning-journalist.html ]A bit more background here[/url], though it's worth noting that since that piece was written the 2008 investigation (whilst Jimmy Savile was still alive), Operation Rectangle was shut down, when officers with unblemished records were struck off the case... many involved insist there was a cover up.

Hmm, surprised we haven't heard anything about the Ken Clarke case from you JHJ...

http://barristerblogger.com/2015/07/30/we-shouldnt-draw-the-wrong-conclusions-from-ben-fellowss-acquittal/

Huge conspiracy by the entire system, or false accusation... Makes you think eh?

Funny you should mention that ninfan... I notice the link you've supplied fails to mention Ken Clarke is being investigated for further allegations of indecent assault of minors...

www.exaronews.com/articles/5624/ken-clarke-police-investigate-second-claim-of-indecent-assault

Of particular note is mention of Wiltshire police

Alternatively, it could be because he lived in Salisbury.

Fair point, but in that case, why were the Wiltshire Police involved in the Jersey investigation?

Because Bergerac was otherwise engaged

Funny you should mention that ninfan... I notice the link you've supplied fails to mention Ken Clarke is being investigated for further allegations of indecent assault of minors...

Which of course along with Ben Fellows's acquittal yet again seriously undermines the claim of a "huge conspiracy by the entire system".

Not really...

you only have to look at the cases of Jimmy Savile, Cyril Smith and Leon Brittan to show that there has been a culture of protection and cover up over several decades... failure to question Leon Brittan whilst he was alive suggests the cover up continues, but thanks to vigilant journalists, such cases are being exposed.

Jimmy Savile, Cyril Smith and Leon Brittan were all acquainted with one another and Keith Harding (Already mentioned on a previous page for being made head of the GCHQ freemason's lodge in 2011, despite having a lifetime record for child abuse), [url= http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/576187/Keith-Harding-MPs-Leon-Brittan-Cyril-Smith-Jeremy-Thorpe ]a member of the Paedophile Information Exchange who ran a shop in Islington,[/url] which was notorious for abuse in care homes and linked to Jersey, as mentioned in the links in the Ted Heath post.

there has been a culture of protection and cover up over several decades

Woah woah..........you've changed your tune a helluva lot.

That's not what you were previously claiming..

You claimed that there was/is an establishment paedophile ring which is vital to the control structures of the political and religious elite.

I pointed out to you a long time ago that paedophilia was one of those crimes which people widely choose to ignore - they would rather not think or speak about it and simply brush it under the carpet while silently ignoring it and pretending it never happened.

I pointed out that this appalling attitude/culture is seen right across every level of society and institutions right down to 'the family'.

You however were adamant that it was all down to an establishment paedophile ring which is apparently vital to the control structures of the political and religious elite.

Now as you see your theory unravel with every new arrest and conviction you are changing your tune and now claiming that it was merely down to a culture of protection and cover up, something which I think very few people would disagree with.

So what happened to the establishment paedophile ring which is apparently vital to the control structures of the political and religious elite ?

And which the Queen is apparently head of.

[url= http://www.huffingtonpost.com/leah-mcgrath-goodman/david-miranda-uk-detention_b_3844480.html ]Who has authority over both the UK Home Office and Jersey[/url]?

While we're at it, did you watch this trailer?

So you're sticking to your theory that this is all about an establishment paedophile ring which is vital to the control structures of the political and religious elite, and which the Queen is in charge of.

Despite another hole being shot through your theory the latest development concerning court cases and investigations.

And since you ask the question "Who has authority over both the UK Home Office and Jersey?" how about you explain in whose name do UK courts operate? Or who has "authority over" over UK courts as you like to say.

That'll be the UK courts who are pursuing and convicting pedophiles btw, and who are under the authority of the UK pedophile master ringleader.

How about all the VIP paedophiles who have escaped conviction and arrest for several decades?

This is the same resistance I've endured throughout~ for example, when I 1st mentioned Lord Mountbatten's involvement, there was a great deal of toxicity.

Today's revelations suggest there was a former PRIME MINISTER directly involved in abuse...

(as an aside, both of those characters are known to have spent time in the company of Jimmy Savile)

and yet you still seem desperate to take cheap shots, when throughout, I have done my damnedest to keep you informed.