[Closed] "1,400 children were subjected to "appalling" sexual exploitation in Rotherham"

I have done my damnedest to keep you informed.

How does that square with you telling everyone to do their own research?

Lead by example 😉

when I 1st mentioned Lord Mountbatten's involvement, there was a great deal of toxicity.

Today's revelations suggest there was a former PRIME MINISTER directly involved in abuse...

Because the former was very poorly thought through innuendo and conjecture targeted at a well respected public figure, and the latter involves a former prime minister who was always rumoured to be a bit "odd"?

So what are your thoughts on Lord Mountbatten (Prince Charles' mentor, who introduced the Royals to Jimmy Savile in the 1960s, from which time until Jimmy Savile's death in 2011, Savile and future king Charles were very close) and his involvement in Kincora, from where children were trafficked across the country to be sadistically abused?

Could it be that much of the respect nurtured for public figures comes from a bygone age, where we had far less access to information and far more trust in the establishment, which with every passing day is revealed to be more rotten?

Today's revelations suggest there was a former PRIME MINISTER directly involved in abuse...

No, they suggest there was an allegation made

We don't know who the alligators were, or whether they were crocodile.

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Makes you think, doesn't it?

(As an aside, if you can manage to make Earnest and Ninfan come together on a point, you just know you're doing it wrong!)

Aims are admirable, methods are execrable.

Well at least I have my aims... what exactly are your aims in all this?

Discredit and derail?

See, as soon as CFH reveals that it's the reptilians behind it all, you go all defensive!

Still not buying the lizard thing, but suit yourself...

Well at least I have my aims... what exactly are your aims in all this?

Discredit and derail?

Part of the establishment coverup perhaps.

Privately educated Tory supporter.......seems a likely candidate.

Maybe Flashheart provides the stationery to Her Majesty's pedophile ring? I'm sure they must need post-it notes to remind themselves to do stuff.

I also used to use the gym in Dolphin Square, as it was the closest to home at the time.

Makes you think, doesn't it?

Makes you think that you have no interest in the topic, but want to distract others who might...

Many people have lived in and used the facilities at Dolphin Square over the years... does that make them all the types who would rape and murder kids?

Nope, but that doesn't mean that those who did shouldn't be investigated.

As an example of how there are still avenues not receiving sufficient investigation, let's look at MP for New Forest East, Dr Julian Lewis:

Dr Julian Lewis was a pivotal player in VIP child abuse at Dolphin Square, putting the magazine Scallywag out of business, [url= http://www.julianlewis.net/selected-news-cuttings/3519:libelled-politicians-36 ]something he proudly declares on his own website[/url]

What he fails to mention in his self congratulatory piece is the mysterious disappearance of documents relating to Scallywag's investigation into the VIP paedophile ring, [url= https://pbepr.wordpress.com/scallywags-simon-regan/ ]after he purchased and seized the contents of Scallywag's offices[/url]:

Subsequently, over a rent dispute which is still a matter of litigation, Dr. Julian Lewis, now Conservative MP for New Forest (East) but then deputy head of research at Conservative Central Office in Smith Square, managed to purchase the contents of our offices, which included all our files. It had been alleged that we owed rent, which we disputed, but under a court order the landlords were able to change the locks and seize our assets which included all our files, including those we had made on paedophiles. It was apparently quite legal, but it was most certainly a dirty trick.

All of a sudden very private information, some of it even privileged between ourselves and our lawyer during the John Major libel action, was being published in selected, pro-Conservative sections of the media.

Subsequently, during a court case initiated by Lewis, I was able in my defence to seek discovery of documents and asked to see the seized files. The paedophile papers were missing. This is a very great shame, because Sir Ronald Waterhouse certainly should have been aware of them.

Now of course, the fact that many prominent people were blatantly aware of this since at least last year makes it all the more sinister that [url= http://privycouncil.independent.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Orders-approved-at-the-Privy-Council-30-March-2015.pdf ]he was appointed to the Privy Council on 30th of March this year[/url]!! in a meeting involving both Nick Clegg and William Hague... not only were both close associates of Leon Brittan, who has many allegations of sadistic paedophilia against him, also, Hague set up the Waterhouse Inquiry.

jivehoneyjive - Member

Makes you think that you have no interest in the topic, but want to distract others who might...

Or an alternative thought is that your claims the Queen is the head of an establishment paedophile ring which is vital to the control structures of the political and religious elite is so ridiculous that it doesn't deserve to be taken seriously.

Specially as you can't even be bothered to explain why this alleged establishment paedophile ring is vital to the control structures of the political and religious elite.

All in good time...

in the meantime, you may want to refresh your memory with this:

[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/royal-family-member-was-investigated-as-part-of-paedophile-ring-before-coverup-excop-says-10126864.html ]Royal Family Member was investigated as part of Paedophile ring before investigation shut down[/url]

Its a retired senior copper that's come forward and said investigations into heath being a paedophile were suppressed

It doesn't take a conspiracy network of VIP abusers from the queen down to be in a giant paedo ring to protect the abusers
Its the culture of impunity enjoyed by politicians, celebrities and others in power that seems to have been pervasive that is a genuine concern.
Knowledge of savilles activities was shared by the press, police even Thatcher's office for decades while he continued to rape children

JHJs theories may sound wild but if 1 man can get away with abusing over 1000 victims inspite of apparent widespread knowledge of his activities who knows what the truth is

And still Cliff Richard is walking free !

Okay, winding it back a notch.

I don't for one minute believe in any grand conspiracy involving funny hand shakes, royalty and Bin-Ladens nubile niece. What is believable is the mundane aspect - that there was a group of folk involved in activities so ****ing hideous that it would be in international embarrassment.

JHJ - can you, in one short post, give a reasonable explanation for a high establishment paedophilia ring being used as part of a control structure? Moreso when such a ring would require knowledge of its existence in order to exert control yet has avoided detection in its clandestine control activities for decades.

Cliff walking free? Last I checked innocent till proven guilty.

LBC has picked up on the story of Leah McGrath Goodman, the journalist detained at Heathrow in 2011 who had her visa confiscated when it was mentioned she was investigating child abuse on Jersey

https://audioboom.com/boos/3433505-the-us-journalist-kicked-out-of-uk-for-investigating-ted-heath

Her account corroborates the allegations of Ted Heath taking children from Haut de la Garenne on yachts to be abused, with some never returning.

Jimmy Savile is also mentioned...

JHJ - can you, in one short post, give a reasonable explanation for a high establishment paedophilia ring being used as part of a control structure?

I don't pretend to fully understand such depravity, but basically, if you have key members of society, be they politicians, military leaders, media editors etc who can be blackmailed and manipulated, then you have a level of control which allows pre-planned agendas and strategies to be implemented with minimal obstruction.

To be fair, some of it is hard to grasp, but there is much to suggest there is ample truth.

This article goes quite in depth on the CIA side of things~ there may be some minor errors, but there is certainly significant truth:

http://isgp.nl/2009_11_In_brief_beyond_Dutroux_ties_to_US_CIA

the testimony of the victims is hard to comprehend, but there is significant documentation to back up their claims:

it also links to Nazi experiments, [url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Mozes_Kor ]carried out at Auschwitz[/url]... several Nazi scientists were drafted into the CIA under [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip ]Operation Paperclip[/url]

it's worth noting that [url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Dulles ]Allen Dulles[/url], head of the CIA mentioned in the piece was a known associate of both [url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Oldfield ]Maurice Oldfield[/url] (went on to become head of MI6, mentioned as attending Kincora) and [url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Kennedy_Young ]George Kennedy Young[/url], (Became deputy head of MI6 and a key member of the Conservative Monday Club of which many members attended Elm Guest House)

Right then - so, whats your take on the Orkney Satanic Abuse case then JHJ?

That showed all the signs of being true, a massive conspiracy was uncovered...

Not something I've studied in any detail...

Might be worth it then... could be an education in just how damaging it can be to look for links that aren't necessarily there.

some of it is hard to grasp

Its the culture of impunity enjoyed by politicians, celebrities and others in power that seems to have been pervasive that is a genuine concern.

In case you have not noticed the title of this thread refers to the Rotherham child abuse scandal. The sexual abuse on the estimated 1,400 children in Rotherham between 1997 and 2013 was predominantly carried out by gangs of British-****stani men. These were not politicians, celebrities, or others in power.

The culture of ignoring or not taking seriously allegations of child sex abuse is not confined to a powerful and wealthy elite, it goes right through the whole of society.

Relatively powerless people living on council estates have got away with child sexual abuse and operating pedophile rings.

That after all was the news story which led to this thread being started.

I think that is because you are clutching at straws.

Scoff if you like, but until you've studied all links supplied in depth, you have no basis for criticism, other than knee jerk reaction...

a massive conspiracy was uncovered...

But I thought there weren't any conspiracies?

Make your mind up!

That after all was the news story which led to this thread being started.

Cool, you might want to read through the thread in it's entirety...

So I can see how you derailed it to claim that the Queen heads a pedophile ring ?

In that case save yourself the drama... derailing it to the Queen's potential involvement was your doing on the last page, but nice try.

Have you come up with a satisfactory answer as to who has authority over both the UK Home Office and Jersey yet?

Puts Heath allegations into context

[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/edward-heath-child-sex-abuse-allegation-rumours-always-swirled-about-his-sexuality--im-sure-thats-all-they-were-10436328.html ]Right Wing Paper article[/url]

You have repeatedly claimed that the Queen is involved in this alleged conspiracy, which you say is vital to the control structures of the political and religious elite.

Obviously you don't always say it directly and actually spit the words out, because you much prefer innuendos, which is why you often post pictures with no accompanying text.

The last time you claimed the Queen was involved was just a few hours ago on the previous page to this one. You of course did it indirectly but it's crystal clear what you meant by this :

jivehoneyjive - Member

Who has authority over both the UK Home Office and Jersey?

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The reason why I keep going back to your wild and ridiculous allegation that there is a pedophile ring led by the Queen, which is vital to the control structures of the political and religious elite, is because every time there is an investigation or arrest or successful prosecution, you want to take credit and claim that it backs up your theory. It does no such thing. In fact it does the opposite.

No one should be surprised that there has been pedophiles among establishment figures, it doesn't make JHJ claims correct, as some people seem to think.

Pedophiles, and their past ability to operate with relative impunity, transcends social classes, as the Rotherham abuse scandal proves, there is no reason to expect the wealthy and powerful elite to be pedophile-free.

So who has authority over both the UK Home Office and Jersey?

So who has authority over both the UK Home Office and Jersey?

Ernie Lynch - makes you think

Another thing to think about... perhaps the guy who wrote the article you linked to doesn't want to be shown up as a shoddy biographer.

In addition to being investigated by the [url= http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5629/sir-edward-heath-met-also-investigates-claims-of-child-sex-abuse ]Met Police under Operation Midland[/url] (Dolphin Square, MPs, Military bases etc), [url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/edward-heath-being-investigated-by-jersey-police-over-child-sex-abuse-claims-10437833.html ]Edward Heath is also being investigated by Jersey Police under Operation Whistle[/url].

This is thanks to the hard work of many campaigners continuing to apply pressure, some of whom have fighting the cause for decades.

This image reportedly shows Heath in the company of [url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Wallace ]Colin Wallace[/url], a psychological warfare specialist who is key in exposing the activities at Kincora:

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Kincora was said to be used to film influential people in compromising situations:

as described in this link already supplied...

http://isgp.nl/2009_11_In_brief_beyond_Dutroux_ties_to_US_CIA

This image reportedly shows Heath in the company of Colin Wallace, a psychological warfare specialist who is key in exposing the activities at Kincora:

... and?

Why do you keep posting stuff like this as though it's evidence? It just makes you look desperate.

Famous people meet other famous people [i]all the time.[/i] It's practically a politician's raison d'etre. Pick any two well-known people at random and somewhere on the Internet there's probably a photo of them in the same room. It proves precisely nothing, in fact it implies the opposite; that if that's the best you can do then there probably isn't much more to the "links" you're so fond of.

Is Colin Wallace famous?

Well, you seem to have heard of him. I'm not much into warfare specialists, myself.

Perhaps "famous" is the wrong word. You know what I mean though. (And nicely dodged, again.)

Your edits aside, why are you 'dodging' reading the links?

Scared you might learn something?

Your edits aside, why are you avoiding answering direct questions?

Scared you can't or that your answers will be shown to be wrong?

I suggest we post this each time jhj avoids answering a question or posts a random picture instead.

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Funny thing jhj is that I'm sure you've got lots of information that could inform, if not actually prove your big exciting conspiracy, but as usual you just lose the audience by posting rubbish all around it.

So, to prove me wrong, three questions for you jhj. Designed to allow straight answers. Except if you're a politian in which case just ignore them and answer whatever made up question you fancy.

1. Can all of this abuse (the one by famous people, not by the boring people on council estates in Rotherham, etc) that has taken place ONLY be explained by your big exciting conspiracy?

2. If "NO", do you accept that famous/powerful people are just as likely to be paedos as the rest of the population?

3. If "Yes" given their increased ability to make things happen, bribe, etc. do you accept that there could just be several rings of them doing these things and that sometimes those rings overlap?

I anticipate needing to post my sign but it'd be great if you'd prove me wrong by giving straight answers and them maybe we could have a productive discussion that would help inform those of us who aren't experts but don't want to waste our time watching random links that don't state what is claimed.

This image reportedly shows Heath in the company of Colin Wallace, a psychological warfare specialist who is key in exposing the activities at Kincora:

Eh?

Does the fact that Wallace was photographed with the PM mean he was part of the conspiracy?

Seems odd that he should then go and expose it...

Narrative fail!

1. Can all of this abuse (the one by famous people, not by the boring people on council estates in Rotherham, etc) that has taken place ONLY be explained by your big exciting conspiracy?

2. If "NO", do you accept that famous/powerful people are just as likely to be paedos as the rest of the population?

3. If "Yes" given their increased ability to make things happen, bribe, etc. do you accept that there could just be several rings of them doing these things and that sometimes those rings overlap?

Yes and no answers to leading questions isn't really appropriate to describe what has been occuring...

Does the fact that Wallace was photographed with the PM mean he was part of the conspiracy?

Seems odd that he should then go and expose it...

Thankfully, there are conscientious whistleblowers at various parts of the operation~ as with the many police who are coming forward, testifying to past cover ups from higher up...

It's unlikely they were privy to the full scale of the operation, it may be that it's being pieced together for the 1st time.

So Wallace was a whistleblower rather than part of the conspiracy then?

In that case, what does the photo of him with Heath show us?

jivehoneyjive - Member
you might want to read through the thread in it's entirety...

OR… flay my own scrotum with a hacksaw blade. I think the above might be a winner for most unhinged JHJ quote.

Yes and no answers to leading questions isn't really appropriate to describe what has been occuring.

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