I still can't believe someone hasn't realised the potential that place has (other than the locals and riders). Decent facilities and a mechanical uplift would make that place a mecca for UK mountain biking..
Get on it then - bike park scotland awaits! Things like bpw need that person/group of people to take that initiative and put things into action.
Talking of natural trails, passed the drip-ins to the ferociously steep home-made/natural trails at Sirhowy today. They look pretty hardcore...
Biggest problem there is the 200m of ascent required to get back to the top for another go 🙂
Wales should deliver more. Afan could have developed the same uplift and trails but didn't. And they could have done it way before BPW. It's a market economy? Deliver what people want.
You do know that Wales is essentially a third world country, don't you? It's why Afan etc. had a lot of help from the EU, to help build tourism. It's also a government project, so in that respect Afan has a dwell among and compete with all the other projects that helps Wales create jobs and generate income.
I'm not defending Afan or BPW, but sweeping statements like 'Wales should deliver more' are akin to advising a Premier League manager how to run his team from the bar of a local pub.
Get on it then - bike park scotland awaits! Things like bpw need that person/group of people to take that initiative and put things into action.
Agreed. That 'somebody should do something!' could be you.
always enjoyed Afan but i do think the huge amount of logging done kind of ruined the fell of the place a bit.
Saying that I haven't been back for a few years so maybe it's got a bit better?
milky1980 - Member
P-jay - I was talking to one of the drivers who had just started and he said they were asked to try and get a minimum amount of uplifts in per day. He was taking that as a minimum so wanted to get a few more in whereas some of the others were deliberately pacing themselves to only get in that minimum amount. It was a direct split between those who rode and those who don't according to him. He was visibly peeved off with it. As long as they arrived, loaded a full load and got in the requisite number of uplifts they have done their job.I like BPW, it's a great facility, but it too often leaves me feeling like it's treating me as a number to balance the books. The dig crew are great to talk to and do a great job but the enthusiasm that was there at the beginning has waned somewhat and has been replaced with a bit of a corporate culture. Inevitable as the place has grown I suppose but it does grate with me.
Was that a very fit looking guy with a long neck? He's a bit odd, seemed a bit paranoid and twitchy.
Anyway, it might have been true, then but in more recent months, maybe more than a year or so they're given a set speed to drive 'enforced' by Tachograph. It's partly because before they did, the drivers would go a bit wild and it was wrecking the road and vehicles (I know of at least one who crashed off the side of the road coming back down) meaning closing more for maintenance and less vans.
It's actually brilliantly organised (I'm a geek for processes and systems) it's a single carriageway road, for the most part they're using the same road up and down, but there's up to 8 vans on it (maybe more now) so they have to move in a certain way so they don't end up face to face trying to pass (they can't really on most of it) so they all move at the same speed - when they leave the pick-up point they radio the other drives in broken valley's speech and it sends the other to their next passing point.
I'm sure someone said 6 Vans was the max they could have before, but someone managed to update the 'system' to allow more. At 6 they were sort of stuck, the only way they though to improve it would be massive upgrade the uplift road and make it a loop, or the leap to a lift - but it's a leap of faith.
I take your point about feeling a bit 'cold' sometimes, I don't know who manages the business element of BPW (doubt it's Rowan, he seems so chill) but they seems a solid business manager, there are procedures for everything and it makes for smooth running, these sorts of places easily fall into chaos otherwise. I personally don't like working with strict processes, ironically I like building them, but hate them myself.
always enjoyed Afan but i do think the huge amount of logging done kind of ruined the fell of the place a bit.Saying that I haven't been back for a few years so maybe it's got a bit better?
Depends on how far back you're talking, but sadly, not much.
The new descent on White's is great, but the old version just isn't the same without trees, Penhydd is sad now, Jim Cro is fast if souless, Hidden Valley or whatever it's called is just rough, the surface just blew / washed away and it's just unpleasant to ride, not tech enough to ride slow, too rough to ride fast.
always enjoyed Afan but i do think the huge amount of logging done kind of ruined the [b]fell[/b] of the place a bit.
Unintentional pun? 😆
Afan (and all the other trail centres) are working forests, once the trees are the size required and there's a market then they are going to be felled. Trail centres just add to the cash flow to help with the fifty years or so between planting and felling.
When I first started going to BPW I was surprised at how many females and young kids there were. Coming from a skatepark background you never used to see many women or young kids really giving it a go!
My gripes with BPW is the queue for collecting your uplift pass in the morning, the lack of showers and the condition of the entrance road from the roundabout to the car park!
Afan (and all the other trail centres) are working forests, once the trees are the size required and there's a market then they are going to be felled. Trail centres just add to the cash flow to help with the fifty years or so between planting and felling.
I believe the majority of trees felled at Afan were to stop the spread of a disease attacking the larch.
I believe the majority of trees felled at Afan were to stop the spread of a disease attacking the larch.
Yeah this, I get the impression their remit has changed too - they could have replanted everywhere with more fast growing pine trees, but they didn't.
They seem to want to either plant native tress or just leave them for nature to do it's thing.
Seems more about creating carbon sinks, nature sanctuaries and stuff for people to do these days.
It's almost a shame though, they harvested the top of Cwmcarn in 2005/2006ish and it's still pretty barren now, I guess the usual 'Xmas' tree type trees they used to plant would be a decent size in 10/12 years.
I live local to BPW and Afan, but never really goto BPW, it's a tourist destination. The local scene in Afan is thriving, I ride three times a week and never touch trail centre tracks. BPW and the trail centres are just scrapping the surface. Q
Biggest problem there is the 200m of ascent required to get back to the top for another go
A max 30 min ride back up?!
Even I know you're capable of this, moly... 😉
rob8624 - Member
I live local to BPW and Afan, but never really goto BPW, it's a tourist destination. The local scene in Afan is thriving, I ride three times a week and never touch trail centre tracks. BPW and the trail centres are just scrapping the surface. Q
You need to invite us non locals !
It's 5km and 250m all fire road. Doable, but you wouldn't get many runs in 🙂
For me a pedal up day is 4 runs. More if you pick the right trail and skip the last bit - it’s 20 mins or so from the part where the uplift road crosses the XC climb to where Terry’s really starts,
deadkenny - MemberBPW definitely has had a negative impact on trail centre riding in south Wales. Speaking with people who run B&Bs and the like round Afan they say the same and find they're losing business.
That's not just about BPW- Afan is pretty neglected now and the changes it's had lately were through necessity and some of them pretty shoddy. COnsidering that people complain if there's a big puddle at Glentress, finding lines entirely blocked with brambles and hte like at afan was a surprise.
For us, we basically only do south wales as part of a tour, I doubt I'd be in there if it wasn't for BPW so Rose Cottage get us for a week every year while we bomb around FOD, BPW, BMCC and Afan.
"Im definitely NOT having a go at folk who only ride trail centres.
yeah you are, even if you don't think you are. In print, statements that start "I've never understood why..." imply superiority, they imply that it's a non question.
I'm sure you can understand completely why folk would choose a trail centre over a more natural ride, it's blindingly obvious to even the most dimwitted and you'd have to be pretty dishonest with yourself and others if you pretend you can't. Which is why the "I don't understand" statement is so disingenuous"
Spot on chap.
I've never ridden BPW, and I expect that I never will.
We (my wife and I) visited a couple of years ago, looking to ride the next day (it was typical Welsh weather - so tipping it down but a great forecast for the following day). We ride a hardtail tandem, and we'd already enquired about riding. When we got there we were told that we couldn't ride as "A decision to not allow tandems were made chiefly due to the trails not being built with them in mind, our trails feature drop-offs, wall drops, jumps and tight berms, which were (maybe incorrectly) perceived to be more risky if riding a tandem"
As the trail builder at Ae said when we were chatting with him later in the year - " none of them are built for tandems".
Just to be clear - we weren't planning massive jumps, stupid drop offs - but we did want to explore the trails we thought we'd be capable of - fast long flowy descents are meat and drink to us. Tight technical stuff's a challenge - and that's part of the fun - the "can we do that" - together. But inclusivity stopped at us.
So, we go to Afan, 7 Stanes etc. if we want to ride a trail centre, or expore the Chilterns/Berkshire/Hampshire if not. And for a uick blast we go to Swinley as it's round the corner. We're pretty happy - there's still lots to explore and we've still got all those £8 we'd have been charged (or would it be £16?) if we rode BPW.
I can't think of anything more annoying than meeting a tandem on at a trail centre, so I'm glad you are staying away.
[quote=dragon ]I can't think of anything more annoying than meeting a tandem on at a trail centre, so I'm glad you are staying away.
What if it was an E-tandem ?
I'm surprised BPW is having a negative effect. Everyone we've booked tickets there we've built a weekend (or longer) round it. So I day at BPW as a minimum would mean two nights accommodation, two pub dinners and cake and snacks. We see BPW as a big reason to visit the area.
Any tandem. If I ride at a trail centre it is too go fast, and not to get held up by tandems, dogs, unicycles, runners or other nonsense.
Would you be as annoyed by meeting a slower rider on a solo bike?
Sorry dragon, it was a reference to another post.dragon - Member
Any tandem. If I ride at a trail centre it is too go fast, and not to get held up by tandems, dogs, unicycles, runners or other nonsense
Thanks for that constructive criticism dragon. Big assumption that you'd be held up isn't it....
none of them are built for tandems".Just to be clear - we weren't planning massive jumps, stupid drop offs - but we did want to explore the trails we thought we'd be capable of - fast long flowy descents are meat and drink to us. Tight technical stuff's a challenge - and that's part of the fun - the "can we do that" - together. But inclusivity stopped at us
I’d like to see somebody ride a tandem down Bonneville. 😆
Thanks for that constructive criticism dragon. Big assumption that you'd be held up isn't it....
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To be fair to BPW I don't think they built it with tandems in mind!
Would you be as annoyed by meeting a slower rider on a solo bike?
Someone slower on a bike is just someone slower on a bike. Someone on a slower bike is a different matter. Riding a tandem is deliberately slowing yourself down (on a DH track anyway).
I'd not be bothered coming up behind a beginner on a hardtail. I'd start to get pissed off if I'd come for a days DH riding and got stuck behind tandems, unicycles, CX bikes and anyone else deliberately riding inappropriate bikes.
It's 5km and 250m all fire road. Doable, but you wouldn't get many runs in
It's not that tough - I've done as many pedal up's as I have uplifted (8 in total) there & i'm hardly an XC whippet.
Granted, I was hanging by the end, but it's really not that bad. The worst bit is the first section of fire road (if you chose not to ride the trail). The rest is an easy spin.
I doubt the BPW safety assessment and related insurance takes tandems into account. The speed a tandem could hit down those blues would be terrifying when paired with berms made for a much shorter wheelbase bike.
how did this get from a positive thread to crap cafe food and frikking TANDEMS clogging up a trail centre? a hardtail tandem no less... get in the sea. cant believe the tandem owner is miffed at being turned away. best debate in ages this.
good old STW lol
Geometrons are banned too???berms made for a much shorter wheelbase bike.
Even the longest Geometron is less than 1400mm wheelbase vs typical modern trail bike at about 1200mm. Tandems are more like 1800mm+.
I'm surprised at BPW having a negative effect - we seem to go to S.Wales that much more often now to ride BPW one day and other places the other day or two.
I doubt the BPW safety assessment and related insurance takes tandems into account. The speed a tandem could hit down those blues would be terrifying when paired with berms made for a much shorter wheelbase bike.
Exactly. They've no way to enforce the tandem riders just stick to certain tracks so I don't blame them for not taking the risk.
Those of you who visit BPW - what else do you do while in South Wales? (if anything)
I've only been once, but did Afan W2 & Penhydd the day before. Stayed near Afan rather than BPW.
Those of you who visit BPW - what else do you do while in South Wales? (if anything)
In a BPW context, nothing. I drive over there (2 hour 15m) do the day, eat lunch and drive straight home.
We've done the odd 'weekender' in Wales using Afan as the base, but generally that's very rare.
I spend more time in Wales at other times, but that's family stuff, so i'm guessing not part of the actual question.
Those of you who visit BPW - what else do you do while in South Wales? (if anything)
Depends. Had a few long weekends based round BPW. Afan is the obvious partner but we've also combined it with a road trip down to Brechfa.
We've also had a few week-long breaks in south Wales during which we always have a day at BPW. Then a day at Afan, a trip to Brechfa and possibly Cwm Rhaeadr. We've been to the Darren trails a couple of times and enjoyed BMCC.
We usually have a couple of natural rides and a non-bikes day. For instance one year we went to Big Pit. One year we did the waterfalls walk. Or maybe a day out in Cardiff.
To be honest there's loads to do in the area but I would be lying if I said BPW wasn't a major draw.
Should Wales open up access I suspect we will be there at every opportunity.
It's 5km and 250m all fire road. Doable, but you wouldn't get many runs in
It's not that tough - I've done as many pedal up's as I have uplifted (8 in total) there & i'm hardly an XC whippet.
I was talking about Sirhowy rather than BPW where there is no uplift.
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Those of you who visit BPW - what else do you do while in South Wales? (if anything)
Me personally, Afan, Cwmcarn or BMCC. Or FoD just over the border. Or gone north as well and done Antur and Llandegla. I've never been to BPW and not ridden somewhere else in Wales as well. Also never been without staying overnight, eating out and so on.
I'm particularly fond of Afan - I saw some moaning about it being too eroded and rocky since the felling. Bring on the rocks I say! Makes these expensive bouncy bikes worth having!
Those of you who visit BPW - what else do you do while in South Wales? (if anything)
Biking wise nothing as I always combine with a trip to the Forest of Dean as it's my 'uplift' weekend.
Money-wise, plenty; 2 nights accommodation, food, etc.
It wouldn't be hard to combine BPW with a natural ride say the Gap or the Black Mountains route.
Not yet been to BPW. Do most people do a day trip as opposed to a weekend? Like Afan but since the trees have gone it’s lost the atmosphere. Noticed in the last few visits that it’s been noticeably quieter.
Maybe give BPW next.
It wouldn't be hard to combine BPW with a natural ride say the Gap or the Black Mountains route.
Did The Gap first one trip - the big descent is a lot of fun!
Met a guy like dragon up there once at Afan.
Lolling about how we'd never be able to get our tandem round something as tech as Afan...
He didn't look very happy when we passed him on the first climb.
He mentioned something about selling his bike as we went past.
Mrs stu told him it was maybe for the best if he did. 😆
Seemed fine to us round there.
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Agreed though that some of the trails at BPW would be a bit much.
chakaping - MemberThose of you who visit BPW - what else do you do while in South Wales? (if anything)
For us it's evolved. Since we're coming from Scotland we want to make the most of it. First time down we did Flyup 417 and the Forest of Dean on the way in (it's Welsh by association for me) and BPW, and a bunch of trailcentres then stopped in the north on the way home.
But now, I'd add Black Mountain Cycle Centre and try and squeeze in Revo or something as well. it's not so much that I'm after an "uplift trip", it's just that BMCC is one of the best places I've ridden in the UK. And frankly a lot of the south wales trail centres are neglected
(every time someone complains that Glentress is worn out, or neglected, or needs new trails I just think we don't know how lucky we are up here, it's not perfect but it's nothing on poor old Afan)
Is BPW Wales really any better than Antur Stiniog ?
I can get to AS in half the time as BPW. Never been to BPW but my next trip to a DH centre will almost certainly be AS again.
Is BPW better than Stiniog?
Not better, just different, much more variation and the opportunity to actually have dirt under your wheels if you want to. Also BPW has plenty of trees, it is nice to ride open and rocky, but I love a bit of woodland too.
grannyjone - MemberIs BPW Wales really any better than Antur Stiniog ?
Like Bagstard says, it's not better or worse, just different. If they were all together in the same place you'd ride trails from both, put it that way.
grannyjone - Member
Is BPW Wales really any better than Antur Stiniog ?Like Bagstard says, it's not better or worse, just different. If they were all together in the same place you'd ride trails from both, put it that way.
Agreed, I've been to AS once and BPW loads of times and like them both, you can split hairs about this or that if you want, but they're both great venues.
If I was going to try to give a real difference it would be that AS feels more like a DH venue and BPW is more of a Enduro Bike type place, but you can ride most things there and in the last couple of years BPW really has upped the tech levels on their trails, haven't had the chance to visit AS in a few years.
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Yea anytime dude.
The scene in Wales is weird. It's like an iceberg, there is way more below the surface. BPW and trail centres are tourist places really, there is a massive sub-culture. Afan isn't old or quiet, it has evolved but without a marketing campaign. Visit, talk to locals and discover.
The scene in Wales is weird. It's like an iceberg, there is way more below the surface. BPW and trail centres are tourist places really, there is a massive sub-culture.
This.
Having lived here 2 years I spent most of those first two years at AS, BPW, BMCC etc...but it was costing a small fortune.
So, I now tend to go for a drive with the MTB in the back, find a wooded hill/area and explore the off piste stuff, there is some genuinely hilarious stuff about, some of it unrideable (for me at the moment)....someone on here gave me grid details to an area where the Athertons built a training track, it's mental is all I can say....similarly other riders are building their own stuff too, saw some guys riding through town with DH bikes and full faces draped over their bars, stopped to ask them where they'd been?...turns out the hill/woods behind my house!
Explored the next day and got about halfway up a track in the 4x4 before the vegetation got too much, the bike trails were clearly visible and well used so there was nothing stopping me pushing up but....back the following day with a chainsaw in the back and now have a fully cut back access road to the top...yes, I am now that prick from a Surrey Hills thread a few years ago whose girlfriend was shuttling him to the top for DH runs
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I've heard that Revolution bike park is better than BPW.
It is. It's so much better.
The uplift is efficient, the burgers are better, the atmosphere is better and the trails are just on another level.
BPW is at the bottom of the pile for me; I'd rather go to BMCC, Stiniog or Revo.
But I can appreciate that it's made uplift days more accessible (if you can actually book in) and is probably a lot less intimidating than places like Revo.
To be honest, I've seen loads old ladies riding at Revo and BMCC and kids at Stiniog which is ace. Generally there are a lot more ladies and kids riding all sorts of places which is rad, certainly more so than when I started riding.
I love BPW, it's probably my favourite place to ride in the UK (that I've tried). Since riding at Whistler everything else over here is lacklustre for the kind of riding I most enjoy - fast flowy and packed with jumps. BPW is the closest thing I've seen to that sort of thing here plus it has some techier rocky blacks etc for a bit of variety. If you don't like the uplift there's a ride up track. Personally I have to drive about 3 hours to get to BPW so I want an uplift so I have more energy for the fun bits to make the most of them. Not sure what there is to complain about really!
My main issue with BPW is the uplift which has always been really slow when I've been. Went again in April this year and it was a bit of a joke compared to Stiniog, BMCC and revo (the last two having pretty tough tracks to get to the top).
It does take the shine off the day a bit - it's not helped that some of the tracks (e.g. Fifty Shades) finish a long way from where the uplift starts.
I've been to AS midweek and weekend and much preferred it midweek as its much quieter. Got 3500m of descending on each day which is equal to 15 uplifts and could have got more if I was more organised. It had the quality and the quantity.
Blue/Reds were more about speed than tech while the Black/Double Black were challenging just to get down but nothing that is beyond riders who are moderate level & above. Except a couple of optional massive drop offs on the Double Black. Which can be avoided by an easy track.
I wouldn't go when its raining. It started to rain at the end of my day there once and I found it so slippy I thought it was dangerous to attempt anything harder than red
The riders who go there are (on average) better than most other places because on Strava I'm normally in the top 25% but at AS I was in the bottom 50% on nearly everything
My main issue with BPW is the uplift which has always been really slow when I've been. Went again in April this year and it was a bit of a joke compared to Stiniog
This! ^^^
What p***** me off is that they spout all this nonsense about the drivers staggering their lunch breaks at weekends to maximise riding time, so when it came to lunch time, we literally grabbed a burger, demolished it, then shot down the trail for the next uplift wasting no time, only to find that we were stood waiting for over half an hour at the bus pickup. We could see 2 buses parked up the hill, drivers obviously havin a break and a natter. Everything seems to grind to a halt at lunch break at weekends, despite the staggered lunch break claim.
My next annoyance at the BPW uplift is it feels like you’re waiting for ages from getting on the bus to actually setting off up the hill. Stiniog has the same uplift system with buses and trailers but seems way more efficient.
But...Trails are quality, I love it!
The last time we went (back in September) we hardly waited at all for the uplift and the van was off as soon as everyone got in the van.
Couldn't fault them at all.
Hope it's the same in December when we go again 🙂
Stiniog has the same uplift system with buses and trailers but seems way more efficient.
That'll be the advantage of having a tarmac road and far fewer riders!
That'll be the advantage of having a tarmac road and far fewer riders!
It does confuse me how people get so confused... BPW has a long fireroad bumpy climb.... I can't see any way without re-surfacing they could get people to the top any quicker.... When i've gone up in the bus the bus is going plenty quick... On 90% of the times i've waited less than a minute for the bus, sometimes it has been a maximum of 5 minutes... they can't get there at the exact same time as all the riders who are descending at different speeds/routes/exits etc...
Explored the next day and got about halfway up a track in the 4x4 before the vegetation got too much, the bike trails were clearly visible and well used so there was nothing stopping me pushing up but....back the following day with a chainsaw in the back and now have a fully cut back access road to the top...yes, I am now that prick from a Surrey Hills thread a few years ago whose girlfriend was shuttling him to the top for DH runs
I am intrigued, you went up with a chainsaw is this a public road ? public property? can you not get in trouble? or did you get permission from someone.?
Not accusing just a question.
It does confuse me how people get so confused... BPW has a long fireroad bumpy climb.... I can't see any way without re-surfacing they could get people to the top any quicker.... When i've gone up in the bus the bus is going plenty quick... On 90% of the times i've waited less than a minute for the bus, sometimes it has been a maximum of 5 minutes... they can't get there at the exact same time as all the riders who are descending at different speeds/routes/exits etc...
Revo has a pretty long uplift and it's bloody steep but they still manage to be efficient as do BMCC and they use tractors! I've been to BPW four times now and each time, the uplift has been a massive source of frustration compared to others. I'm in no rush to head back because Revo and BMCC are more fun.
Revs uplift is faster, but they neatly stoved my new forks in by having me put my bike into a position for a 26 inch bike. Be warned, make sure there is not a bolt at the top of the position where the front wheel drops into.
BPW were way more professional in that regard. You partly get more runs in at Revs because the runs are quicker and they are using landies with less capacity but more of them, Antur is quicker because they dont hand around to fill the bus and have a tarmacced road.
Another thing I found at Revs is because they dont seem to do as much trail maintenance as BPW, preffering to keep it more natural... some of the reds are harder than some of the blacks as a result... as the runs are more blown out, have more braking bumps and are muddier. The reds and blacks are more memorable than BPWs, but thats partly because some of the sections were hairy as **** in the wet for what people expect to be a trail centre..... it felt much more like a race day at a DH track than a trail centre. BPW was definitely more fun, whilst Revs felt more serious and took more mental concentration - more so than Antur.
If youre a trail centre warrior and have never a DH race, revs in the wet will up your game.
I just wish they would make it possible to take fat bikes on the uplift!
Planning a wee welsh uplift weekend next year, looking like the lonnnnnnnnggggg drive to Merthyr on friday, BPW saturday, BMCC sunday, Revo monday, then *only* a 5 hour drive home.
Sound good, to those that ride these places?.
Revo has a pretty long uplift and it's bloody steep but they still manage to be efficient as do BMCC and they use tractors!
BPW's uplift route is 2.6 miles.
Revo's is about 0.9 miles (similar elevation gain).
BMCC's is 0.6 miles (half as much elevation gain).
They're just not comparable venues - the target audience overlaps but BPW has many more beginner friendly trails and a far greater number of people visiting.
If they only had to run two or three buses the uplift would be quicker because it's a single lane road. And the speed of the buses is limited by the roughness of the track, not the steepness, so the longer route up adds a lot of time.
Nobeerinthefridge, swapping revs for cwmcarn would keep you within the same area and save on a lot of driving.
I’m a regular at bpw, the new red trail nothing like all the other trails there, a muddy rutted trail. Really good.
Nobeerinthefridge, swapping revs for cwmcarn would keep you within the same area and save on a lot of driving.
Not really, as we need to drive back to SW Scotland again anyway, and so passing (ish) BMCC and Revo. And I've ridden Cwm carn, sorry, should've said.
Ah, sorry I see. I need to arrange another trip to bmcc & revs soon.
Thanks though!
Nobeerinthefridge - MemberPlanning a wee welsh uplift weekend next year, looking like the lonnnnnnnnggggg drive to Merthyr on friday, BPW saturday, BMCC sunday, Revo monday, then *only* a 5 hour drive home.
Sound good, to those that ride these places?.
BMCC is ****ing awesome. Haven't been to Revo yet. I do like BPW, it's always a fun day but BMCC shits on it. Also, TRACTORS.
I suspect BMCC on a wet day could be pretty miserable though. Not to mention it'd feel like blasphemy riding those glorious berms in the wet.
BMCC is ace fun. There are some bloody good riders there. When I went in July a dude was pulling suicides and another massive whips. It's not all jumps though.
Revo is my favourite though; it's bloody hard and changes all of the tine due to the lack of surfacing. The original red is so much fun as is Ghetto track. Burgers are top notch too!
Chief; the uplift road at BPW doesn't feel that beaten up, certainly no more than Revo's or BMCC and the big old tractor ruts. It's just slow and not very efficient, made worse my trails like Fifty Shades finishing about 500 miles away from the start of the uplift.
I've never been to (or heard much about) BPW. Where is it?
Just beside Merthyr.
Just beside Merthyr
Cheers 🙂
Formerly Gethin Woods trails.
p.s. maybe steer clear of BPW web site for now. Google search is showing it as "This site may be hacked."