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I feel numb and sick. Looked good at the end of Box Hill and then......
[img]stevewhyte - MemberOn idea why everyone on here seems to think cav should have been handed it on a plate, clearly he is not good enough to win gold, otherwise he would have.
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cynic-al - MemberVino...innocent until proven guilty?
Interesting that his haterz don't apply the same "logic" to Lance...
Lance has never been proven guilty, Vino has................
On idea why everyone on here seems to think cav should have been handed it on a plate, [b]clearly he is not good enough to win gold, otherwise he would have[/b].
That's just not how Road racing works - the best/strongest rider rarely wins. The tactics and decisions of others makes for an infinite number of scenarios, not all of which are controllable by you. Experience and a healthy dollop of luck can have as much a part to play as any other asset.
I feel so sorry for Chris Boardman and Hugh Porter,let down by a director with a twitch in his finger who kept jumpintg the pictures, and seriously poor information being fed to the comentators.
Must be the worst outside broadcast of all time.
Steve, I think not.
As others have pointed out, your opinions were so blatantly wrong as to leave one thinking that you're either trolling or a bit dim.
No idea why everyone on here seems to think cav should have been handed it on a plate
Taking off my partisan hat, I tend to agree. Races like this should be targeted at all-rounders and not just one specific type of rider. Could you imagine the uproar if they finished something like this up a massive climb?
I know Cav made an effort to be a better climber for this but I think the rest of the team were having to hold back on the last climb to wait for him rather than countering the attacks.
Vino - FFS
Why did the German's even bother to turn up?
Would rather Spartacus had won.
Disappointed but not surprised there was no bunch sprint.
Just saw the end - did Froome do much before he peeled off?
That's just not how Road racing works - the best/strongest rider rarely wins. The tactics and decisions of others makes for an infinite number of scenarios, not all of which are controllable by you. Experience and a healthy dollop of luck can have as much a part to play as any other asset.
Which is why it's such a simultaneously compelling and frustrating sport to follow.
On idea why everyone on here seems to think cav should have been handed it on a plate, clearly he is not good enough to win gold, otherwise he would have.
You clearly know nothing about professional road cycling.
Vino - Just about the worst possible result? Maybe Valverde could have been worse, possibly.
If, as previously agreed, all pro cyclist have doped, does this really make any sense? Isn't there a case where some were lucky enough to have been caught while others were alowed to contiued in their cheating ways?
Depressing that Vino got it + no other team was prepared to work for their sprinters. Feel for Sparticus + GB team.
Just saw the end - did Froome do much before he peeled off?
Saving himself for the Vuelta? 😉
i love vino, very glad he won - frankly don't care if he has doped in the past. he's old, hard working, been unlucky recently and always makes it interesting. cav would have been good, but it's great to see him win out over careful team calculation.
convert - Member
the best/strongest rider rarely wins.
Yup, Cav wasn't good enough to win just like Cancellera was to good to crash into a barrier - it's a hard sport and shit happens...
..would have loved to see a proper "all across the road" sprint finish tho' whether Cav won it or not
In other news, its getting sloppy In Val d'issere... may another Danny Hart stomp might cheer everyone up?
Lols whatever you say.
D'[H]art is injured isn't he?
Lols whatever you say.
Ooooo snappy comeback
If, as previously agreed, all pro cyclist have doped, does this really make any sense? Isn't there a case where some were lucky enough to have been caught while others were alowed to contiued in their cheating ways?
First off that's a big 'if'
The main problem is Vino's attitude. To my knowledge he made no comment whatsoever on his ban and Valverde fought it for long enough. Cheating is bad but you can salvage something by putting up your hand and saying 'mea culpa'
Vino - Just about the worst possible result? Maybe Valverde could have been worse, possibly.If, as previously agreed, all pro cyclist have doped, does this really make any sense? Isn't there a case where some were lucky enough to have been caught while others were alowed to contiued in their cheating ways?
Exactly, it's down to who has had the best doctor.
D'[H]art is injured isn't he?
Well **** * ** * that just * * * right up the * *** ** with *********'s on it doesn't it!
Exactly, it's down to who has had the best doctor.
Rather a naive comment I think.
First off that's a big 'if'
Is it really that big an "if"? I'm working from the general comments here that assume most of the peloton eas doping. Some got caught, some didn't and some moved away to avoid detection.
It seems a bit odd to me that a clean rider is not given credit because something that was done in the past.
Back to the congratulations as this isn't a thread sbout doping.
Interesting idea that Uran sold the win to Vino, hence the pantomime look over his shoulder. I know it happens in lots of amateur races....
Really Spin, clearly you have not followed sport over the past 30 years in particular cycling.
Yes, Homer, Danny is injured. Do keep up 😆
if Gwin doesn't take it and it's proper sloppy Hill may finally be back in with a shout, Pascal used to be amazing in the mud too and it's a track he's comfortable on.
I'm pretty sure Hart is doping as well tbh.
i love vino, very glad he won - frankly don't care if he has doped in the past. he's old, hard working, been unlucky recently and always makes it interesting
+1, worked for the win and got it
Hard slog out there for the GB team today. I think most people can see that. Disappointing result, especially for Cav, but no one wanted him hanging around near the finish line. Maybe they should've went undercover, with fake moustaches and stuff...
Any news on Cancellara? He looked in pain.
And where's the interviews??
double post.
edit: I might as well use this space to express my frustration with the BBC. Watching on 'the red button'....get up to make a cup of tea...sit back down....bleedin' tennis is on??? Check I'm still on the red, yes, it's labelled 'live road race', so thinking they're just throwing in an update on the tennis I switch over to the Judo for 5 mins. Which was actually kind interesting...
Anyway, switch back....[i]still[/i] tennis??
Only to realise the BBC have decided to show the rest of the race on BBC1 and put the tennis on the channel dedicated to, and still labeled 'live road race'. Howay man. Sort it out.
The lack of information on time gaps did make it a bit more tense though...
If, as previously agreed, all pro cyclist have doped, does this really make any sense?
Who agreed they all had ?
Did i miss the vote ....searched STW for your comments on bertie 😉
and let the troll fest and insulting continue...like drunken football fans in a pub when their team has just lost. Let your stupidity, emotions and rather obvious trolling get the better of you and lets get all nasty with each other
Very predictable result, though hadn't marked Vino down as a winner. Though with hindsight if any rider was going to throw a finger at a over cautious bunch it would be him. Great win.
I'm on the volleyball now, who cares about the road race. The DJ just decided to play Benny Hill, very apt given how little they are wearing 8O.
doh, not really been paying attention to such things for the last couple of months, what happened to him?
Cancellara looked like he had a broken collar bone the way he was holding his arm.
It was a disappointment on so many levels, no least the coverage. Which was very poor. Wonder who was responsible for it.
Really Spin, clearly you have not followed sport over the past 30 years in particular cycling.
I've followed it over the last few years though and seen average speeds fall and previously imperious riders have really bad days.
But as said above this isn't a thread about doping.
What channel for the volleyball?
RealMan - Member
What channel for the volleyball?
Red button
Stuff that, there's Roger Moore in a Lotus on as well!
From the start I have a funny feeling that one of the stories of this Olympics will be shock results for many of our and other favourites. Just didn't want it to happen today. At least my younger son still said, "I want to go out on a road bike now".
I hope that the road paint fades quickly. Cycling past "Go Cav" will be too painful
Only gives me judo bbc3 and bbc1 as options..
Very disappointing, but I think all the other teams knew exactly how they needed to play it to beat us.
Can't believe how shite the BBC coverage was as well.
What would football fans say if the score wasn't displayed, and everything the commentator (not cb) said incorrect?
[b]chunkypaul[/b] - MemberPSA - the women's beach volleyball is back on...
Dirty old man.
No volley ball option for me either! 😉
The Olympic road race is always covered badly in terms of cameras and commentary. Compared to the grand tours anyway.
The motorbikes were rarely confident enough to go alongside riders.
Trying to pick up riders in unusual team colours is tricky too, although I expected Hugh and Chris to do slightly better.
Combined with Twitter, it was perfectly ok though - getting a full list of who was in the breaks was the hardest thing. A couple of riders were still a surprise when they popped up on the results sheet!
Disappointing result and, let's be honest, a slightly disappointing performance from team GB. No-one helped, not even teams with sprinters and I've no doubt there'll be strong words tonight in the debrief and over the next few months across the whole pro peleton.
As for all the druggie stuff and personal insults, well it's not a surprise. People get emotionally involved in things and lose a little dignity when it goes wrong.
Why? isn't it another 4 years until they'll ride as a team again in an olympics?and I've no doubt there'll be strong words tonight in the debrief and over the next few months across the whole pro peleton.
Why? isn't it another 4 years until they'll ride as a team again in an olympics?
World champs?
I wonder if radios would have made a difference. It looked as though the other teams held off chasing until may too late to make any difference and maybe team ordered would have changed that.
Well played by the breakaway though
Ah, ok.
cheers!
I didn't get the result I wanted, so I am now in favour of team Radio!
I wonder how often the riders were updated on the gap?
didn't see the old "motorcyclist with chalkboard" thing, and many of the roads were too narrow for team cars to drive alongside - so probably not too many updates....
....pro cyclists becoming to used to riding to "team orders" and not using their own race judgement ???
Racing without radios is great, a real shame Cav didn't get his chance though. Actually I'm happy for Vino to get the win in that way, doping blemishes aside (different discussion to be had there?) I like his aggresive riding attitude and it did him well today. He goes for it in a do-or-die manner and this time it worked out. Seemed like he was almost given it at the end, but he made the right move to be there to take it in the first place.
Mounty_73 - Member
No volley ball option for me either!
It's on pay per view after midnight. 😉 Channel 94
didn't see the old "motorcyclist with chalkboard" thing
I did see that once in the last hour after Box Hill, but only the once
I thought the Germans may have helped out sooner had they had radios/been told to.
Huh? Germans helping out?
Huh? Germans helping out?
They had no one in the break and Greipell would have been 50/50 with Cav for a sprint, but they held off expecting GB to do all the work and they could just lead Greipell out for a win once GB were knackered. But it backfired when GB couldn't manage that many breakaways and as a result rather than it being Greipell and Cav sprinting for 1 and 2 they also ended up with nothing.
Basically every other team had a game plan to beat team GB including the Germans, the only difference is the German plan relied on Cav being in 2nd place with Greipell just in front not 40th. so by not helping at all they ended up just ahead of Cav as planned, but 40 places down. As a result everyone elses plan worked and the win came from a breakaway leaving the sprinters out of it despite it being a good finish for them.
Stuff that, there's Roger Moore in a Lotus on as well!
+1
Hope Vino doesn't retire now. Whatever his past mistakes, like a number in the pro-peloton and most of the great past tour riders, itsl in the past now. People need to get over it. Allowing ex-dopers to ride in the Olympics was the right decision. Hope he gets to ride in the Olypmic colous. He's right battler. Shame we didn't get a medal but then no one was prepared to help out. Hope we do better tomorrow in the women's race.
Disappointed that Cav did not win (or even get a chance) but in some ways it was refreshing to see a race that was not as tightly controlled as the big tours.
The breakaway riders were rewarded for boldness - something that rarely happens nowadays.
The race was quite long for team GB to control, and quite soon after the tour, when so many of the team put in such a big effort.
I do wonder if any other nation would not have set it up better for a home advantage. Was it just bad luck that it turned out that way, too much fair play or just a little stupid.
Team GB were on the front for pretty much 250km ....with no help from other teams....good effort in my book..
Top effort, but too many strong guys in the break.
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Top effort, but too many strong guys in the break.
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There was a tweet from Millar that said that Cav had the legs to try to keep with the breakaway on the last climb but they thought they would catch up. A pity as that would have made for fabulous viewing
There was a tweet from Millar where he said that Cav had the legs to chase the break on the last climb but they thought they could still catch them after so didn't. A pity ad that would have been brilliant to watch
Pround to support GB, on the front for nearly all the race chasing the break aways with little or no help. Dont forget the one, two in Le Tour and Cavs mid blowing sprints as well.
A dejected sounding Cav was pretty damning of the Aussies in the post-race interview..
Disappointing result, but hats off to Vino and all the riders who hit that break. I had money riding on Boonan and thought i could have been in when he was in the break, but he just came out the back, i assumed he had a mechanical or nuked. Bit gutted for cav, particularly as brailsford said he was welcome to bog off from sky.
particularly as brailsford said he was welcome to bog off from sky
But didn't Brailsford also say he would rather Cav stayed?
Fantastic effort especially after all that was achieved in the Tour. We were up at Headley Heath and the atmosphere was amazing - well done to everyone that made it out to support the boys as well 8)
Kuco - yes he did, if Cav were to be happy riding with a team with a GC/ yellow jersey focus (well, plan of total domination). So I guess we can all speculate as to the message Cav has taken. Not wanting to argue with the experts on here, but no sure i would be happy as one of the worlds best sprinters and be essentially a domestic with some perks.
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Pretty heroic effort by team GB today. Such a strong break though, shame other teams rode so negatively.
A statement of the obvious perhaps but a fabulous atmosphere, huge support for GBR of course but respect for all competitors and huge encouragement to the tail enders.. Was on box hill and it was very clear even from our narrow perspective GBR did all the work to reel in the breakaway. Credit to the breakaway group for shaking things up and taking their chance.
To the non chasing group why bother turning up ? Am embarrassment to your nation.
I think today will be a huge motivation to the rest of the GBR team. Huge respect for our road race team.
Wiggo was giving it everything when he came past us in Putney...
Shame we've started on a non-result but I think Brit team is mature and competitive enough to use it to spur them on for the rest of the cycling events...
Good luck to Wiggo in the Contre La Montre
Have to say that I thought Miller's tweet was rather odd, if Cav had the legs then get him the break even if it means blowing all support and let him fend for himself.