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On the contrary look cleats are exceptional for kicking someone in the nuts.
I spent 10 minutes educating people about road position etc on a FB page then gave up.
I very much doubt the guy on the bike needed to follow the car, but the driver did need a word.
[disclaimer, this sort of attitude resulted in me taking a couple to the jaw yesterday when I interrupted a mugging by filming it and the perps, lol]
After watching that all I can say is it's a good job I don't have my finger on the trigger of nuclear Armageddon.
gofasterstripes - Memberthis sort of attitude resulted in me taking a couple to the jaw yesterday when I interrupted a mugging by filming it and the perps
sorry to hear that but well done for doing something to help
...but the driver did need a word.
As I wrote above - to what end? He clearly states in the vid he thought the bike was sat in the middle of the road so he has no concept of error on his part. The 'word' only served to antagonise him further and that could've cost the cyclist his life if the guy had punched him the wrong way, or he'd fallen wrong after a punch. If you retaliate and it all goes shit shaped then once again you can easily lose a large chunk of your life.
Not worth it.
Well, I did add a disclaimer. Personally, I'd have just gone for "you passed me too close, that's against the rules of the road and dangerous. You need to go and read the highway code before you kill somebody and find yourself locked away for the sake of 5 seconds saved"
Then I would have gone about my day.
You need to go and read the highway code before you kill somebody and find yourself locked away for the sake of 5 seconds saved"
🙂 Weird. I had the opportunity to express my displeasure at being passed too close and that's almost verbatim. Guy still jumped out before I could finish the sentence and told me to "f off you cyclist ****". When I once again pointed out I required a little more space he threatened to throw me in the adjacent ditch. I moved on.
TBH, if I had a go at every car that passed me too close I'd probably get nowhere - it's almost every three or four cars!
I just do a "pushing away motion" after them, if there's space.
Most are just unintentionally bad drivers.
No face plant he rolled out of it. Probably he's done a bit of judo in the past.
Judging by his kick technique he's clearly some sort of martial arts expert.
I don't have teh skillz but there is a picture of Tom Cruise in the latest MI movie on BBC mobile home page. The fatten would look great photocopied as guy in the background...
It's always disappointing when someone who comes across as a normal reasonable sort of person abruptly reveals themselves to be a mindless prick.
so it is a good job that you know me and know that I am not a mindless prick, doesn't it?
ton(so it is a good job that you know me and know that I am not a mindless prick, doesn't it?)And yet here we are(fistpie anyone?) 😉
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Really disappointing this has gone viral, so much cyclist hatred spreading on facebook.
The cylclist in question is furling the fire of hatred by posting this.
Both were out of order, the car wasn't that close and the cylclist shouldn't have gone after him. The guy in the car turned out to be a bellend. No winners.
bigjimReally disappointing this has gone viral, so much cyclist hatred spreading on facebook.
It's comedy/clickbait gold. It was always going to go viral. But yes, lots and lots of unbridled hatred towards cyclists. I'm kind of sick of it TBH. On a local FB traffic page someone posted a video of cars passing a cyclist extremely closely. One person comment that the c*** shouldn't have been on the road and the cars weren't close enough.
I took screen grabs of his comments, checked his profile, found his employer (a large car dealership) and emailed them. Comment's deleted and a grovelling letter from the MD promising he would be disciplined.
No point letting people get away with it.
I took screen grabs of his comments, checked his profile, found his employer (a large car dealership) and emailed them. Comment's deleted and a grovelling letter from the MD promising he would be disciplined.
Now that guy is really going to love cyclists. If cyclists wonder why people don't like them, this kind of thing is a part of it.
I view it like racism, people need to be told stuff like this isnt right, otherwise they carry on thinking everyone agrees with them.
As a cyclist I really loathe these self-made cycling vigilantes and his You Tube feed shows he gets off on being sanctimonious to anyone he can video. I don't think he appreciates that it is having a more damaging effect in polarising and cementing anti-cycling views.
It's an interesting point though, the cyclist was entitled to be a safe door-opening distance into the road but it didn't look an unreasonable gap. Cyclists should expect a little more room, but on some country roads when a car overtakes another there is maybe only a foot between mirrors; it's not reasonable to expect a whole lane's gap when passing.
It's not breaking news that there are a lot of idiots driving cars out there. But it was nice to see someone gobby getting their comeuppance.
I view it like racism, people need to be told stuff like this isnt right, otherwise they carry on thinking everyone agrees with them.
Yep. You don't beat blind prejudice/hatred by ignoring it and hoping it will go away. None of the big 20th century battles against prejudice (Feminism, Civil Rights, Gay Rights) were won by those minorities sitting quietly in the corner, they came out fighting.
I'm not saying the extent of the prejudice against cyclists is as bad or as negative an impact on the group involved, but it's the same kind of thinking that underpins the prejudice...
I think the tone of the discussion in the media is beginning to change now though, the antis are facing more resistance. I think most people who are neither cyclists or haters see videos like this one, and the Roehampton one and are pretty shocked to see the level of hatred being meted out towards cyclists and slowly are starting to change public opinion in favour of coming down hard on dangerous and aggressive drivers
FWIW Rene59, if someone's posting anti-cyclist stuff on social media, they're already lost to anger, I can't see that being reported and getting a warning from their boss is going to make them any worse...
Now that guy is really going to love cyclists. If cyclists wonder why people don't like them, this kind of thing is a part of it.
You mean the guy who was openly calling for cyclists to be run over and calling them ****s? I've now done something to colour his views on cyclists 🙄
uselesshippyI view it like racism, people need to be told stuff like this isnt right, otherwise they carry on thinking everyone agrees with them.
Yep. I'm starting to think this way too. Substitute cyclist for jew/black/queer/etc and it suddenly becomes ok for people to threaten violence on a minority group.
I had another guy on a similar group make repeated threats and boasts that he would happily run over and kill cyclists. I screen grabbed his comments and posted them back to him and told him I was sending them to the police. It was a bluff, I didn't but I wanted to make him think. And of course he deleted all of his comments instantly.
I'm still on the fence, maybe I should have involved the police. Eventually some of these people threatening to kill cyclists will do just that,say they were distracted and will probably get a slap on the wrists. It might be a different story if there was a paper trail illustrating their feelings towards cyclists.
I'm not saying the extent of the prejudice against cyclists is as bad or as negative an impact on the group involved, but it's the same kind of thinking that underpins the prejudice...
...and probably the same type of person espousing the hate - it's nasty small minded people who are prepared to attack any group they can identify as "different" be it by their race, religion, gender, sexual preference, body shape, mode of transport or even the sports team they support. 🙁
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Reminds me of Pit Fighter.
The 51-year-old motorist from Henley-on-Thames was cautioned by Thames Valley Police after he admitted committing a public order offence, assault, and making threats to commit criminal damage......
As a cyclist I really loathe these self-made cycling vigilantes and his You Tube feed shows he gets off on being sanctimonious to anyone he can video. I don't think he appreciates that it is having a more damaging effect in polarising and cementing anti-cycling views.
Spot on.
Now what would we be writing if the driver, who isn't the healthiest-looking specimen of manhood, had broken his neck, smashed his brains in or simply died of a heart attack from the massive adrenaline surge and sudden unaccustomed effort of the sprint? I'm ashamed to admit that twice in my life I have suffered similar episodes of uncontrolled rage and on both occasions I had chest pains for 24 hours afterwards. The cyclist was a complete idiot, the front and back cameras go beyond what was reasonable and if I was a coroner I would be forced to conclude that the cyclist was looking for this kind of confrontation.
Check out the link at the top of this thread http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/peugeot-man-vs-cyclist-roadragepratfall-video#singletrack
Brilliant.
"and much of the discussion in general, really, since it went viral – focused on deciding who is right and who is wrong, breaking this road rage incident down into a simple light vs. dark, good vs. evil, bikes vs. cars campaign.
But to focus on that is to take away from the true heart of this video, and that is that it is the most beautiful thing any recent generation has ever produced."
[i] I would be forced to conclude that the cyclist was looking for this kind of confrontation.[/i]
good job you're not in such a position then.
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[quote=globalti ]Now what would we be writing if the driver, who isn't the healthiest-looking specimen of manhood, had broken his neck, smashed his brains in or simply died of a heart attack from the massive adrenaline surge and sudden unaccustomed effort of the sprint?
Personally I'd be suggesting that was totally self-inflicted, why what would you be writing? It's not as if the cyclist forced him to chase after him or it was even self-defence.
the front and back cameras go beyond what was reasonable
Is he allowed just one of the other?
Of course one way to prevent the whole episode would be for the driver not to pass dangerously close.
As a cyclist I really loathe these self-made cycling vigilantes and his You Tube feed shows he gets off on being sanctimonious to anyone he can video. I don't think he appreciates that it is having a more damaging effect in polarising and cementing anti-cycling views.
globaltiSpot on.The cyclist was a complete idiot, the front and back cameras go beyond what was reasonable and if I was a coroner I would be forced to conclude that the cyclist was looking for this kind of confrontation.
I starting to think that those cyclists going around confronting drivers, camera'd up and sanctimonious are actually just doing it as some kind of defence mechanism. I think they are doing it as a last resort. They are a weak, vulnerable person trying to hold their ground whilst they are massively outnumbered by bigger, more aggressive, much more dangerous people (in cars). To me their like an old widower living on a rough estate, intimidated by everyone and becoming increasingly paranoid, buying cameras and gadgets to defend themselves.
Years ago, me and a mate used to scoff and laugh at one of his colleagues (albeit behind his back) because he used to commute through Belfast with at least 4 cameras, and god knows how many lights. Now, it wasn't really a tough part of town to commute through in fairness, but this guy was your a-typical camera cyclist. And this was when portable cameras were much, much bigger. So to us he looked hilarious.
Seeing it for what it is now he was just a very frightened, timid individual doing what he could to try and defend himself. And we were dicks for mocking him.
the front and back cameras go beyond what was reasonable and if I was a coroner I would be forced to conclude that the cyclist was looking for this kind of confrontation.
Would you say that about the driver of any other vehicle purely based on the fact they had cameras fitted?
It's not uncommon for buses, lorries and taxis to have dashcams these days.
Seeing more of them in cars and motorcycles too.
And don't get me started on lamposts. Spoiling for a fight they are!
Personally I think it would be fair to say that if the cyclist deliberately chased the guy down [b]*then*[/b] he [i]"was looking for this kind of confrontation"[/i].
It's an interesting point though, the cyclist was entitled to be a safe door-opening distance into the road but it didn't look an unreasonable gap. Cyclists should expect a little more room, but on some country roads when a car overtakes another there is maybe only a foot between mirrors; it's not reasonable to expect a whole lane's gap when passing.
Watch the video back, the car is close, far closer than it should be.
As for this comment, on a country road where there is less space the car should wait until it can pass the cyclist safely, leaving the cyclist space to fall into the road should they happen to do so. It's what I do when driving my car. Is it not what you'd do?
Funnily enough it was the dangerous passes etc. which prompted me to get a camera for the commute. Not, "I know, this riding to work is dead boring, maybe if I go around looking for a massive vehicle to crush my bones I could catch it on camera and entertain people with my youtube channel!"
But then that logic has been spewed enough times and dickheads are gonna think what they're gonna think. Just like you can't change a driver's attitude by shouting at them, or in any way telling them what they've done wrong.
Just remembered yesterday, a car went far too close to me on my ride. I instictivley shouted an expletive at them and then thought, I wonder if they'll stop and confront me like I'm the one who has done something to endanger them... but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't run away (unless they were dead scary).
The 51-year-old motorist from Henley-on-Thames was cautioned by Thames Valley Police after he admitted committing a public order offence, assault, and making threats to commit criminal damage......
Good. I doubt we can change his attitude, but just maybe if people think there is a reasonable chance of some punishment for this kind of behaviour, they'll think twice.
Other things that (UK) cyclists often do that give the rest of us a 'bad name':
- Cycling on the road
- Being vulnerable
- Staying *out* of the gutter and door zone
- Wearing clothing designed for cycling
- Not wearing clothing designed for cycling
- Reporting dangerous/life-endangering drivers
- Being slower than motorised vehicles
- Using cameras
- Commuting
- Expecting drivers to wait before overtaking at a pinch-point or any narrow section
- Observing the Highway Code
- Not being in a motorised vehicle
- Defending our right to be on the road
Cyclists should expect a little more room, but on some country roads when a car overtakes another there is maybe only a foot between mirrors; it's not reasonable to expect a whole lane's gap when passing.
If there's only a foot's gap between wing mirrors overtaking on a country road, I'd contend the road isn't wide enough to overtake. Now, you might argue it's the same gap whether overtaking or two cars passing each other in opposite directions, but with the vast majority of cars being RH drive in this country we're better at judging the distance to the wing mirror that's only a foot further out than our right shoulder than we are to one which is 6 feet away. Which I'm convinced is why a lot of cars pass too close, because people can't judge that distance properly and hence we have to give them much bigger clues, like leaving a whole lane.
Second - if a car overtakes another on a country road and clips wing mirrors, then it'll probably amount to a couple of hundred quid in damage. Pass me on a bike and clip me, and there's a reasonable chance of serious injury or worse if you knock me off into the path of the car following behind.
Risk vs reward, again.
How about...
Cyclist: Hi, I'm Jim, what's your name?
Driver: Dave
Jim: Hi Dave, I have to say I felt a bit intimidated by your close pass earlier. A less experienced cyclist might have been upset by that and there could have been a collision.
Dave: Oh, sorry I'm a bit stressed and in a bit of a rush - I'll try and pay more attention
Jim: Thanks Dave, I hope you have a good day.
should expect a little more room, but on some country roads when a car overtakes another there is maybe only a foot between mirrors; it's not reasonable to expect a whole lane's gap when passing.
'Not reasonable'?
From my perspective as a road user - (both a driver and cyclist) what is not reasonable is endangering fellow road-users by feeling entitled/compelled to risk an overtake where oncoming traffic allows 'only a foot between mirrors'
[quote=jimdubleyou ]How about...
Cyclist: Hi, I'm Jim, what's your name?
Driver: [s]Dave[/s] * off
Jim: Hi Dave, I have to say I felt a bit intimidated by your close pass earlier. A less experienced cyclist might have been upset by that and there could have been a collision.
Dave: [s]Oh, sorry I'm a bit stressed and in a bit of a rush - I'll try and pay more attention[/s] How wide is your ing bike?
Jim: Thanks Dave, I hope you have a good day.
Dave: **** off
fixed
How about...Cyclist: Hi, I'm Jim, what's your name?
Driver: Dave
Jim: Hi Dave, I have to say I felt a bit intimidated by your close pass earlier. A less experienced cyclist might have been upset by that and there could have been a collision.
Dave: Oh, sorry I'm a bit stressed and in a bit of a rush - I'll try and pay more attention
Jim: Thanks Dave, I hope you have a good day.
Spot on. In an ideal world. Although I was lightly attacked by a large dog two days ago - it ran at me, barking, jumped up and put it's teeth on my arm. In the heat of the moment (to my lasting shame) I forgot to ask their names and to bid them a good day. Instead it went like this:
(owner calls dog off which let go before any real force was exerted on my arm)
Me (agitated): "You have a dangerous dog there"
He: "He's not dangerous"
Me: "I'd call jumping up and putting his teeth around my arm 'dangerous' wouldn't you?"
No farewells or well-wishes from either party.
*Edit - Though I do personally believe that cyclist in the video had time to calm down when pursuing the driver, he could have approached him differently. Not saying it would have made a scrap of difference, I'd suggest it was never going to end well.
Did the dog bite? Cause you pain?
theotherjonv - Member...if a car overtakes another on a country road and clips wing mirrors, then it'll probably amount to a couple of hundred quid in damage. Pass me on a bike and clip me, and there's a reasonable chance of serious injury or worse if you knock me off into the path of the car following behind.
Exactly, looking at the amount of scrapes and dings the average car shows just how much "oooops, sorry" behaviour some motorists are prepared to accept.
Add in road warriors and cyclist haterz to the downright incompetent and it's not suprising some commuting cyclists behave a bit defensive towards our four wheeled friends.
A common theme I find in these videos are the rather bizarre arguments and justifications that the driver offers. Where do they get these from?
In this case:
Cyclist: you passed me within that distance
Driver: Well you're f lucky that I didn't hit you then aren't you?
Well yes. I think that was rather his point 😕
Maybe you should say sorry?
Are you a tank? No. Are you a car? No. You're a f little bicycle but you seem to want to be in the middle of the road. So that's your problem if you get knocked off.
Eh? I'm not sure that's quite how it works mate.
have you got insurance on your bicycle? No.
have you got a helmet on? No.
Oh right. So if he [i]did[/i] have insurance and a helmet then you'd have politely waited and overtaken at a sensible safe place?? (Actually he says he does have insurance but angrydad doesn't give him time to answer)
I'm surprised he didn't mention road tax at this point to be honest. As the "I'm allowed to kill you because you don't pay tax" also seems to be a common line of thought in these confrontations too.
[i]jimdubleyou » How about...[/i]
Wow, some folk really do live in some fantasy world.
Although, to be fair I have taken a similar approach a couple of times.
1. Lorry driver, back of lorry clipped my arm as he overtook.
Climbed on cab at next lights.
"YOu just hit me mate!"
"No I didn't"
Pointless conversation ended up me calling him a thick something or other.
2. Young lady, scared me with her close overtake on a blind bend.
Tapped on window at next lights.
"Wow, you were really close up there, you scared me!"
"Oh, yeah, sorry"
Situation diffused.
I suspect Peugeot Dad's response would have been identical to the one already presented on video. Name introduction or not.