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Fair enough, "showing off" was the wrong phrase. I should have said something like "accentuate" I guess.
[b]Northwind:[/b] My strengths are in the things I do most, which are the things I like most. My weaknesses are in the things I do least, because I'm not that into them. And my bikes are all built to do the things I do most not the things I don't really dig. So yeah it'd be daft for them to do anything else really.
Well it would be if you put it like that 🙂 but if we accept that all bikes are a compromise, that they all have areas where they are good and areas where they are not so good and that, as riders, we also have strengths and weaknesses; wouldn't it be just as logical to pick a bike that was better at the things you find more of a challenge.
Interesting to read about the rider who picked a bike that gave him an excuse not to ride stuff that he didn't want to ride anyway though. I fear I may be guilty of a bit of that too. By my logic above, I should probably ride some big bouncy thing to give me more confidence on the descents, but I'd feel a bit of an idiot pushing that down the tricky bits 🙂
wouldn't it be just as logical to pick a bike that was better at the things you find more of a challenge.
That depends if you [i]want [/i]to do more of the things you find a challenge. I find doing 10 foot drops a challenge. Riding a 19lb 29er hardtail won't help this. Riding a full on DH bike will, but I'm not interested in improving my ability to ride 10 foot drops, particularly as it would come (in that instance) at the expense of virtually everything else I do.
And (at least in my case) I'd feel under pressure to do the 10 foot drop, which (if I'm honest) I don't want to do anyway.
Well put.
Is this someone with whom you had a disagreement, who had a penchant for coffee and one sided forks...?!
Yes I think you're on the right lines.
I buy whatever fits, has a decent write up and fits in my budget for a S/H replacement frame as I don't buy new anymore. Happily all my bikes have been loads better than me.
Assuming we're talking descending vs climbing (as OP seemed to be) what goes up must come down and vicky versy, so unless you push the downs or ups [b]a lot[/b] then you're probably doing a fair amount of both.My strengths are in the things I do most... My weaknesses are in the things I do least
Njee bigger bikes can do [i]some[/i] skill transference, I have had some (not particularly light or racey) short travel steep angle narrow barred bikes in the past. Look at a technical section and think "no chance" but try it on a burlier bike and assuming you land it, do it a few more times, get the technique nailed and suddenly you can ride it on your smaller racier bike. You're still not going to be launching off cliffs but you can progress.
Of course that could just be a my lack of bottle and my baby steps, tremulous nudging my riding envelope technique.
Weird question. Buy:
1. What you lust over
2. What fits the majority of your riding habits
3. What will fit your anticipated future riding habits
4. What you lust over.
I bought my bikes to suit the terrain I ride and conditions I ride in.
I selected my current bike not to hide or enhance, but to best do the job of the biggest riding/racing I am into. So that left me with a bigger travel bike for the UK than the "OMG he is soooo overbiked" crew would like, but then I'm not fussed about technical climbing etc etc, I'd rather winch up a fireroad and save it for the descents. This left me able to choose a bike that suits European proper Enduro rather than a 120/140 "trail" bike or whatever for over here.
But for what it's worth, I can still stick it to an XC ride pretty well on a big bike, it's just harder work.
D0NK - MemberAssuming we're talking descending vs climbing (as OP seemed to be) what goes up must come down and vicky versy, so unless you push the downs or ups a lot then you're probably doing a fair amount of both.
I was looking at it more widely- like, none of my bikes is a great jumper but I don't care because I'm not into jumping, the alterative would be to get a bike that jumps better and flatters me, but that'd have tradeoffs elsewhere.
Climbing, well, almost any bike will climb- so as long as you stay away from the extremes, it's more or less just a case of taking extra time and jellybabies to get to the top. So sacrifices there are more minor whereas a sacrifice on the way down is more likely to take you into hard limits of capability, and sudden abrupt pain 😉
I bought my bike because I liked the idea of a Lefty and Paul's had some killer deals.
Climbing, well, almost any bike will climb- so as long as you stay away from the extremes, it's more or less just a case of taking extra time and jellybabies to get to the top.
Yes, but Strava is always watching 🙂
Actually, I'm not sure it is just a case of more time and more jellybabies, it's going to be more work too, which could leave you too tired to enjoy the descent.
But you are right, I was thinking more widely than just up vs down (although that's certainly part of it).
I dont want a bike that will excel in the Chilterns*, but in France Spain, Switzerland, Turkey, India, Colorado, Morocco...*you probably have more interesting and worthwhile local trails!
🙂 Nope, Chilterns rider here.
I don't make many journeys to the locations you mention but if I did I'd probably take the FS anyway, so not a problem, but I had more than enough of dragging that thing around the local woodland stuff.
I have some classic memories of the my local trails and though I get your point, for me it isn't where I ride that makes biking the memory making activity that it is...
Njee - Yup, that's the chap. 🙂
Njee bigger bikes can do some skill transference, I have had some (not particularly light or racey) short travel steep angle narrow barred bikes in the past. Look at a technical section and think "no chance" but try it on a burlier bike and assuming you land it, do it a few more times, get the technique nailed and suddenly you can ride it on your smaller racier bike. You're still not going to be launching off cliffs but you can progress.
Totally agree - used to have a 5" trail bike (back when that was quite long travel) and it definitely helped me progress on the shorter travel bike.
Njee - Yup, that's the chap.
Remember him employing his 'technique' on a Surrey Hills ride!
Interestingly ( or not) I'm another Chilterns rider and I ride a 160mm slack ish HT, it's perfectly usable in the chilts, but its built [i]for[/i] the road trips to the lakes, Wales, the Alps etc etc much like the crashing monkey
I can climb just fine and I descend pretty well, it's not hiding any lack of skill (per se) but it is a HT and that limits me, if I ride a FS I know that I would get out if depth on the DH and if anything the HT stops that
I buy mine to have fun on downhill bits. I'll always sacrifice climbing ability if it means the dh is gonna be better. I'm a shit climber anyway. Road bikes are for efficiency, mtb for fun!
I haven't felt restricted on the hardtail around the local stuff but it is a bit tame compared to, say, the Surrey Hills. I'll probably bust the wheels before the frame but it won't bother me - I'll just stick on a tougher pair and take the weight hit.
I've always maintained that riding a longer travel bike only deadens the trail if you ride it like a HT/short travel FS. The 'bigger' bike gives the opportunity for faster speeds which in turns leads to different lines. On the same trails, the two bikes can make for totally different rides. All just in my opinion and experience, of course.
Remember him employing his 'technique' on a Surrey Hills ride!
🙂 Likewise. Ha...!
I bought and specced my bike to compensate for my lack of skill and bottle when descending. It may be a bit heavy and have slightly draggy tyres for fast climbing but the more I ride it the fitter I get and so I gradually climb faster and I'm pretty sure I'll never outgrow it's downhill capabilities.