[Closed] Cyclist v cyclist

Interesting.
Not seen that before.

I feel really sorry for the victim. If that was me, I would be shaking with a mix of feelings afterward. And I'm not especially sensitive.

saw it on facebook a bit ago.
The tit on the bmx tries undertaking the rider, gets cut off by the bus being there and takes offense.
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bit of a riddy getting over took by a bmxer! 😆

BMX rider obviously obviously upset he cant afford a big big and still has to ride a childs bike

That made me laugh quite a lot!

As I see it...

The BMXer tried to undertake - wrong
The roadie tried to box him in - wrong
The BMXer kicked his wheel - wrong

So, 2v1 to the BMXer, but both were in the wrong.

Also, I doubt the BMXers intention was to actually knock him under the bus, although alarmist headlines obviously generate more page clicks.

A simple "**** you" from both parties would have been sufficient.

The BMXer tried to undertake - wrong
The roadie tried to box him in - wrong
The BMXer kicked his wheel - wrong

This. I notice the roadie also tries the SMIDSY defence in the caption when the BMXer must have been alongside or in front of him on the left for some distance.

It's a jungle out there.

so the roadie should have swerved out in front of whatever vehicle is overtaking him because some fin de cloche is undertaking? I wouldn't. The BMXer needs a good slap.

Well, another option is braking, but I wouldn't dispute your last point.

Well, another option is braking, but I wouldn't dispute your last point.

Pretty much this. You are allowed to slow down for others.

Self righteous cyclists shocker!

The roadie was overtaking rucksackman, decided he couldn't do it, then pulled back in to the space where bmxboy was (I presume without looking). Pretty bad riding from both of the, IMO. The kick was over the top though.

As I see it...

The BMXer tried to undertake - wrong
The roadie tried to box him in - wrong
The BMXer kicked his wheel - wrong

So, 2v1 to the BMXer, but both were in the wrong.

Also, I doubt the BMXers intention was to actually knock him under the bus, although alarmist headlines obviously generate more page clicks.

A simple "**** you" from both parties would have been sufficient.

I'd say the Roadie looks to have actually swung out to make space for the BMX who's deliberately put himself up the inside of someone already trying to pass a Bus FFS...

Either way kicking away someone's wheel is a proper Dick move no matter what...

Carry that mentality over to operating motorized transport and you're looking at a prosecution, can't see why this is would be any different, hope the Twunt is caught...

Looks like he brake-checks the BMX at 0.15?

[quote=martinhutch ]I notice the roadie also tries the SMIDSY defence in the caption when the BMXer must have been alongside or in front of him on the left for some distance.

So you know for sure that he's lying about not looking in a direction nobody should have been appearing from?

If a motorist does it, he isn't necessarily lying, just careless. And how long does a shoulder check take, anyhow?

I've just watched that again with Swallows and Amazons on 4Extra. It was very surreal, particularly as it was the first sighting of Amazon....

So you know for sure that he's lying about not looking in a direction nobody should have been appearing from?

If that were me I'd have chased him down and given him some feedback. You don't get to knock cyclists off their bikes ever.

Whatever the victim does or does not do it is all the fault of the dick trying to undertake who then , to put it mildly, over reacts,

[quote=martinhutch ]If a motorist does it, he isn't necessarily lying, just careless. And how long does a shoulder check take, anyhow?

So he's careless for not spotting somebody coming up his inside where they shouldn't be? You do realise that when motorists do it the issue is them not seeing people who actually have the right of way?

Do you routinely shoulder check left when you're overtaking something?

I've ridden in London for 20 years, I always make sure that I'm aware of what's around me - both sides - when I cycle. I wouldn't have allowed myself to be put in that situation, sometimes people need to realise that they're not in a big metal box with the stereo turned up.

I wouldn't have had to shoulder check in this instance. The BMX nobber was alongside or ahead. I'd hope I'd have the awareness to notice that.

Either way, as Junky puts it, prime fault rests with the BMXer, and roadie certainly did nothing to deserve a boot into his wheel. Nothing ever excuses that.

Do you routinely shoulder check left when you're overtaking something?

The point is that by undertaking, the bmx forces the camera guy to swerve out into the traffic flow if he gives him space. I wouldn't particularly want to do that on a busy road. I don't really understand why the bmx doesn't just slot in behind approaching the bus. Wait a moment. Yes I do.

He wasn't pulling in from overtaking.

Roadie did nothing wrong, BMXer is just a lout.

Selective video editing by the roadie - at 0:01 he/she partially overtakes bmxer. I think bmxer is alongside roadie all the way (and roadie is perfectly aware of this)

Doesnt excuse the kick tho

+1

The roadie overtook the bmxer and didn't make sure he was actually ahead before squeezing him out against the bus. Its really annoying when cars do that to me.

Imagine roadie is actually a Chelsea Tractor and BMXer is still a BMXer.
I'd imagine a few more would white knighting for the BMXer.

If that was a car driver everyone would have slated him for not seeing the biker who was undertaking on the inside.

IMO both were in the wrong! The roadie for not noticing the bmx on the inside and the bmx for undertaking and then the kick out. but like it's been said, the kick is inexcusable!

If people didn't undertake then they wouldn't put themselves into situations like this!

This is what happens when you cross the beams and 2 knobs share the same space of road. Big brother Roadie is by far the superior being and can't possibly share the road with the scum bmxer, so shoves him into side/back of bus. Retaliation was poor. Should of pwned him with a stunt peg.

Incredibly poor obs if roadie didn't notice BMXer....

I think the roadie has squeezed the toy bike rider towards the bus and brake checked him

I suspect that incident would look very different from the bmx riders position. The roadie started to overtake the bmx just as bmx was accelerating. They must have been side by side for a few seconds before the bmx pulled ahead. No way the roadie didn't know he was there.

Both equally at fault IMO as neither of them were riding defensively - either of them could have taken evasive action and avoided the initial incident. bmx rider is a total dick for kicking though, it could so easily have ended much worse.

While the rest of you argue the morals and circumstances of this incident, I would of been back my bike perusing the t**t on the BMX and dished out some rough justice.

I don't give a shit what the roadie did or did not do. What the BMXer did was absolutely and completely unforgivable.

Pretty convinced that what the roadie did was either deliberate or massively negligent now. Doesn't excuse the reaction from bmx boy but roadie threw the first metaphorical punch even if bmx boy threw the first literal one.

Surely a BMX isn't as fast as road bike? I'm far from a fighter, but that knobber on the BMX looked like he'd be about as handy in a fight as Mr Bean.....I'd have gone and returned the favour with interest! #internettoughguy 🙂

The roadie may have been a nob, but he didn't deserve what he got. Not by far. I hope BMX boy gets some very bad luck. I'd be checking out the local jump spots and skate parks.

there is a longer version of the video here :

bad riding from both parties but kicking another person is very very out of order.

Roadie deserved all he got. Roadie was just being a knob for knob's sake. BMXer was just hitting back at knobbishness. Fair play to him.

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On the face of it, the BMXer is a colossal tool who's in dire need of a good slap.

However, I've watched it again and again and I'd be amazed if the roadie didn't see the twerp on the BMX attempting to get around the bus. It's a hard one to call for sure, but if I were to hazard a guess I'd say the roadie had tried to box him in.

Doesn't justify being kicked off a bike next to a bus though.

I don't give a shit what the roadie did or did not do. What the BMXer did was absolutely and completely unforgivable.

The bmxer stopped and waited for the amber light to stop flashing,he also waited for the pedestrian to get off the road before continuing his journey.. the roadie timed the ride at this point to overtake on zig zags in a pelican crossing. Fail No 1.

If a car did this to a motorcycle, would it be the accepted way vehicles operate down there? Or would it be the norm for the car approaching to wait for the motorcycle to continue their journey?

Possible fail No2: At the star of it all, he approaches a bus in the left lane and crosses a solid white line before the hop back into the right hand lane to get in front of the bus. Why is the line solid at this point?

Roadie deserved all he got. Roadie was just being a knob for knob's sake. BMXer was just hitting back at knobbishness. Fair play to him.

That's not how it's meant to work.

The bmxer stopped and waited for the amber light to stop flashing,he also waited for the pedestrian to get off the road before continuing his journey.. the roadie timed the ride at this point to overtake on zig zags in a pelican crossing. Fail No 1.

If a car did this to a motorcycle, would it be the accepted way vehicles operate down there? Or would it be the norm for the car approaching to wait for the motorcycle to continue their journey?

Possible fail No2: At the star of it all, he approaches a bus in the left lane and crosses a solid white line before the hop back into the right hand lane to get in front of the bus. Why is the line solid at this point?

If you are trying to nitpick, at least make sure you are aware of what the appropriate law says, otherwise it just looks like an unsuccessful attempt to troll.

Fill me in.

The bmx'er overtakes on the inside then goes to pull in front of the roadie, at which point the gentlemen in front of both of them with the black rucksack gets closer very quickly before the gap opening up again.
Is this because he braked or that the roadie saw bmx boy about to cut in front on the inside and put the power down to deliberately to shut him out before slowing again.

this wouldnt of happened if the bus wasnt there, bloody motorists 😉