[Closed] Cyclist knocked off his bike and abused

Id have a go if your link worked?

Yep linky not working..

I cannot answer that question.

[url= http://www.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/video/2013/aug/08/nottingham-police-cyclist-video ]working link[/url]

Well in z1ppy

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Id have a go if your link worked?

Go on then. Have a go..!

Oops, link working now - a bit more coverage:

[url= http://www.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/2013/aug/08/nottingham-police-cyclist-video ]http://www.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/2013/aug/08/nottingham-police-cyclist-video[/url]

Unbelievable. Would love to know how they came to that conclusion

Party his fault in that he was riding a bike on the road? That really is shocking IMO

Classic case of car trying to go inside a traffic island at the sametime as a cyclist.

How is it the cyclists fault? EVERYTIME I approach a traffic island I have to literally ensure a car doesn't try blatting ahead to then squeeze into the kerb by using road positioning/hand signal (i.e. indicate right) OR 'hold there' signal.

If he/a car did hit me there. Its one of those ([b]Rare[/b]) situations that if the motorist didn't immediately apologise I'd do abit of road rage myself.

Times like this I wish that the police were more open about the decision making processes that they go through.

The Police are moronic ****s would be my best guess

looked like he was riding pretty far out from the kerb, also rode straight out at junction onto main road.

also, why do people have video camera's on when riding on the road.
blame/claim culture perhaps?

They ride with cameras for evidence in case of such an incident - with the hope it'll show who's to actually blame. In this case it didn't seem to make any difference.

also, why do people have video camera's on when riding on the road.

Maybe on the assumption that without video evidence, more accidents would be blamed on the cyclist?

blame/claim culture then yeah?

looked like he was riding pretty far out from the kerb,

his positioning is up to him and given the road was fine

also rode straight out at junction onto main road.

was nothing to do with it

"looked like he was riding pretty far out from the kerb, also rode straight out at junction onto main road.

also, why do people have video camera's on when riding on the road.
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no not blame/claim culture certainly not on the cyclists front BLAME yes ... . blame the car driver. - because people have no respect for others.

and if im honest - i am thinking of fitting front and rear cameras to my car for similar reasons - hell id put them on a motorbike too if i had one.

also at traffic islands like that which i encounter 5 or 6 of on my commute i ride very far out from the kerb ensuring a car cannot go through with me as there is no room (and there are signs on them saying "Do not overtake cyclists here")

also, from the video, you could not see where he was on the road, or where the car was also.
did he swerve to miss a pothole? who knows.

[quote=ton ]looked like he was riding pretty far out from the kerb, also rode straight out at junction onto main road.

Looked to me like he was too close to the kerb, encouraging overtaking. Also, he did actually look when riding onto the main road. It's a bit confusing as the cameras can't swivel its lens to mimic the human eye.

😯

also, from the video, you could not see where he was on the road, or where the car was also.
did he swerve to miss a pothole? who knows.

He was signalling to turn right, and moved out into the road to turn.

It looks to me like he was adopting primary position as he passed traffic islands - as someone who lost two front teeth due to being squeezed off the road by a bus at a traffic island I'd do exactly the same 🙂

Also; he clearly has a good view of the road as he approached the corner and there was nothing coming - it's a good 10 seconds from him taking the corner to being overtaken by the first car.

As it says in the article - how was he supposed to have any idea that the red car was part of the funeral procession ? And even given that it was; it in no way excuses the drivers behaviour...

the car was behind and didn't overtake properly, they are at fault, not him.

his road position is irrelevant.

what the actual * needs to happen before the *ing POLICE protect cyclists?

i commute by bike as i can't afford a car, i wish i could.

the BCF / CTC should be all over this like a ****ing pack of rats - where are they?

Times like this I wish that the police were more open about the decision making processes that they go through.

The police sergeant explained it pretty well I thought:

Also to be considered is that the vehicle that collided with you was the second vehicle following a hearse and limousine as part of a funeral cortege. Whilst you had the right of way in accordance with the Highway Code and Road Traffic Act a road user should be aware of traffic conditions around him/her. This would include any emergency vehicles at junctions that have an exemption in law regarding speed limits and traffic signs that whilst they still have to be prepared to stop at red lights for example, the drivers depend on the courtesy of other road users to allow precedence.

In the same manner, I would personally expect that if I were to see a hearse being driven with a coffin in the rear that there would be other vehicles following and I would allow the cortege to proceed by giving way even though I actually had the right of way. This is also something that the court would consider as mitigation were we to prosecute the driver in your case.

-- Source: http://www.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/2013/aug/08/nottingham-police-cyclist-video

no saying it was his fault, just that everything is not clear cut in such situations.

and by the way, i have been commuting by bike to work for 31 years.

Partly at fault for not giving that mouthy slag a slap!

and in fairness to the police - the driver got sent on an awareness course and the passenger got a caution - it's not like he got told 'it's your fault so we aren't going to do anything'

Odd conclusion by the Cops, yet again.
Wonder what would happen if I took Boris (or some other MP) out with my car. Apparently nothing?

also rode straight out at junction onto main road.

So basically it's partly his fault for not getting out of the way of the funeral procession.

That is ****ing mental.

The cyclist was 100% in the right, but it didn't stop him been knocked off.

The Police Sargent was quite correct in his assumptions, although I'd disagree with his statement that the cyclist should have waited.

In the end, "there is no point in been dead, right?"

It's up to the car to pass safely not for the cyclist to pull over, going to a funeral is not a valid excuse for trying to drum up more business for the cemetery. If the funeral procession wanted to stay together none of them should have gone past on that stretch of road.

and in fairness to the police - the driver got sent on an awareness course and the passenger got a caution

Frankly they should be in prison, they hit someone with over a ton of metal and then blamed the victim. In this case the police (and CPS?) are absolute ****ers for backing them up.

Scorf go and suck your grandmother's penis.

Remarkably polite folk on the Guardian website! 😀

The police sergeant explained it pretty well I thought:

2 problems with that statement:

you had the right of way in accordance with the Highway Code and Road Traffic Act

and

I would personally expect

So the law doesn't come into it, and it's based around what he would personally expect to happen... so the Police just make up the law to suit whatever they like?

Actually I was watching thinking if I was passed by a hearse I'd immediately pull over.

Not saying it wasn't the drivers fault, just that there will obviously be people following in cars who are upset and its just an act of common courtesy to let them pass.

he says in the video, he was indicating to turn right, and obviously moved across, I presume to turn at the junction after the island.

He is not at fault one bit, he's indicated, he looked behind and moved across. The car behind has to give way to him, end of.

also, how would he know a red hatchback is part of a funeral?

To be honest, I agree with the police sergeant. If it was me, I would have had a look back and pulled into let all of the funeral cars pass.

However, being an inconsiderate cock isn't a crime, where as knocking someone off their bike deliberately is. I would therefore prosecute the driver with dangerous driving.

[i]The police sergeant explained it pretty well I thought:[/i]

Yeah, he explained it BUT HE WAS WRONG.

Anyway, the writer of the blog sums it all up pretty well for me.

funeral cars to be fitted with blue lights and sirens then i expect ?

i always let funeral processions through junctions etc in the car but it is the overtaking vehicles responsibility to ensure its done safely in all situations.

To be honest, I agree with the police sergeant. If it was me, I would have had a look back and pulled into let all of the funeral cars pass.

as I said before, how do you know a red hatchback is a funeral car?

just a good job the fella was unhurt eh? 😀

''Also to be considered is that the vehicle that collided with you was the second vehicle following a hearse and limousine as part of a funeral cortege. Whilst you had the right of way in accordance with the Highway Code and Road Traffic Act a road user should be aware of traffic conditions around him/her. This would include any emergency vehicles at junctions that have an exemption in law regarding speed limits and traffic signs that whilst they still have to be prepared to stop at red lights for example, the drivers depend on the courtesy of other road users to allow precedence.

In the same manner, I would personally expect that if I were to see a hearse being driven with a coffin in the rear that there would be other vehicles following and I would allow the cortege to proceed by giving way even though I actually had the right of way. This is also something that the court would consider as mitigation were we to prosecute the driver in your case.''

what strikes me is that the police dont seem to take the level of risk into account more. the cyclist could have been badly hurt but the (delightful) driver and passenger in the car were at no risk of harm at all

as I said before, how do you know a red hatchback is a funeral car?

Well they were close to the procession so you would have waited for them to pass before rejoining traffic anyway