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Eh - the fact that it was just behind a couple of limos and a herse and that the folk were wearing funeral clothes.
The driver was sent on an awareness course
The passenger was cautioned for the abuse
The police explained why they took the decisions they did.
I'm not really seeing a problem here. Non-story
You wouldn't know a red hatchback was part of the procession, but had he pulled in to let the hearses past (which definitely are part) then the next safest place to pull out looks like it would have been after the red hatchback, which was only 2 cars behind the hearses.
He was not in the wrong - the driver was, but like others on here as soon a hearse passed me on a road like that I would have pulled in.
I liked the article on a whole though, it seemed to be pretty well grounded. Refreshing from a lot of the subtle anti-cyclist rubbish that seemed to come out of the Emma Way/Daisy Abela/silver BMW rubbish.
The comments on the Daily Mails writeup of the Daisy one has me fuming at the mouth in seconds:
It's a shame that you need a camera to even have a chance of fighting your case. He was hit from behind, near a traffic island, blatantly the driver behind at fault.
radtothepowerofsik, i concur.
You concur that deliberately knocking someone off a bike is merely an "awareness course" offence?
how do you know to pull over for a hearse, if it's behind you?
(or am i the only one without eyes in the back of my head?)
While it's not the right of people following a cortege to just overtake blindly, I've seen so much bad driving by idiots at the back of the funeral convoy trying to keep together in traffic that I'd be more wary than usual of stupid overtakes.
Cortege etiquette seems to be a rather variable thing in towns and cities these days. I'm not sure we all stop and doff our caps these days - although an older cyclist did do exactly that for my wife's sister's hearse last year, which was quite touching.
The driver was sent on an awareness course,
I'm not really seeing a problem here. Non-story
At the end of the day the driver ran over someone that they knew was there. Personally I don't think being sent on a course is an appropriate response.
I'm not really seeing a problem here. Non-story
So the cyclist was hurt, and in pain for a few months (according to him) after being deliberately hit by a car driver. Yet he is told he was partly to blame, and other other party walks away. Sounds like the UK justice system to me.
MSP....you seriously think that they delideratley drove into him to knock him off?
give you head a shake ffs 🙄
I almost got hit in exactly yhe same way a few weeks ago, indicated to turn right and was almost hit/overtaken through a ghost island by some idiot leaning on the horn...who lives over the road from me.
We've had words, he had no idea I was the cyclist, and the argument about right to the road/him paying road tax was defused me pointing out my car and motorbike.
He even apologised at the end of it!
We don't know how badly he was injured but he's on his feet straight away. I don;t think it was that bad - nothing like venice beach the other day.
Perhaps a driving ban would have been more appropriate, but like the policeman said there are mitigating circumstances.
ton - MemberMSP....you seriously think that they delideratley drove into him to knock him off?
yes, the driver had time to lean on the horn, they had time to slow down a tiny bit, they didn't.
Partly at fault for not giving that mouthy slag a slap!
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They should both have got one. We know that the police aren't going to do much even if it's on video, so you may as well wade in, chuck his keys into the bushes and be on your way.
Fist pie 😀
i very much doubt that they drove straight into the driver just to knock him off.
i doubt it very very much.
If you drive to a funeral with no concern for the lives of others then just when the **** do you give a shit!
Hmmm, I live in Nottingham, and was verbally abused by an in idiot in a very similar red 306 on my way home yesterday. Wish I'd bothered to remember the number plate now...
[quote=ton ]i very much doubt that they drove straight into the driver just to knock him off.
i doubt it very very much.
Based on that vid my vote would be that they did indeed deliberately crash into the bike.
I see both sides. I'm not sure I'd see a hearse behind me but once one passed, I'd look and probably pull in to avoid holding the cortege up. But he wasn't obliged to, and it was still up to the driver to pass safely, and then when he didn't, to not be a cock about it.
I'm actually more disturbed by the police inferring that being in a cortege gives mitigation. Say the main part crossed a traffic light junction and the lights then change, the red car nips across to stay with the cortege and hits another car as a result. Because by the police's assertion, the car he hits is partly culpable by not spotting that a car that jumps the lights was going to do so? Really?
MSP....you seriously think that they delideratley drove into him to knock him off?
Maybe wasn't deliberate, but what else were they trying to do? They've seen him, they've tried to squeeze into a gap that isnt there and knocked him off. Pretty clear that their at fault and totally responsible for him getting knocked off.
Eh - the fact that it was just behind a couple of limos and a herse and that the folk were wearing funeral clothes.
Looked like a pretty decent gap to me. I wouldn't of presumed that they were part of the precession. On top of that, I'm impressed you can tell what clothes folk are wearing when they're driving behind you.
Identifying how many cars are in the cortege through a quick glance over the shoulder would be a bit difficult, especially if the cyclist is also expected to recognise "funeral clothes".
If he had pulled over and waited, how many cars should he allow to pass, a funeral cortege could be 20 cars long or 5 and it could already be interspersed with other traffic bu the time it reached him.
IMO the driver is completely at fault, a complete lack of understanding of how another road user behaves, and another great reason for me to ride ont he roads as little as possible - they are full of twunts.
The alternative is that the driver doesn't know the difference between a horn and a brake pedal, nor about driving safely around vulnerable road users. Either way he shouldn't be on the road.i very much doubt that they drove straight into the driver just to knock him off.
i doubt it very very much.
[i]Looked like a pretty decent gap to me. I wouldn't of presumed that they were part of the precession. On top of that, I'm impressed you can tell what clothes folk are wearing when they're driving behind you.[/i]
Agreed.
Bye thread
So recently we have had:
Sun was in my eyes
I was looking at a lorry on the other side of the road (for more than 8 seconds)
I was part of a funeral precession
However you can jump into the water and stop a boat race and end up in more trouble...
The next thing we'll get is 'I am a hired hitman and hit him off his bike to kill him' - OK sir don't do it again, spend a morning with tea and coffee and a few powerpoint slides and you can be on your way.
This country is ****ed up.
Since when has a funeral cortege had any rights over and above other road users??
The driver drove dangerously to try and keep up with an informal convoy.
To be honest, funeral processions REALLY grind my gears as I live and work near a large crematorium, so traveling anywhere during the day becomes a nightmare.
I regularly overtake them, and until they have Police outriders and a change of law, I personally would not treat a hearse, or any other cars following, any differently from any other road user. Why the hell should I??
And for a Police officer to claim that this mitigates the driver in some way is utterly ridiculous!
I watch these films with a preconception that anyone who rides around filming their commute is probably an overly rightious asshat and riding like a cock, but in this circumstance I can't see he has done anything wrong(apart from knowing he was turning right and not riding further out and allowing the car to squeeze him in the firsrt place). What is the point of those islands - just seem to be another oportunity for disaster.
At the same time
I regularly overtake them, and until they have Police outriders and a change of law, I personally would not treat a hearse, or any other cars following, any differently from any other road user. Why the hell should I??
also marks you out as a bit of an arse. And I lived near a crem too so had more than my fair share of hearse related delays.
My main concern is that the cyclist [i]"has spent seven years as a cycle instructor and as a volunteer leader of public bike rides"[/i] but still allows cars to squeeze past him at pinch points.
[b]Take the primary[/b] - like what it says in the book!
(For the record I think he was deliberately hit but the police are probably correct in that a jury would show sympathy to the mourners so nothing would stick in court)
The Police are pretty usless in these situations, speaking from personal experiance.
theotherjonv - MemberI'm actually more disturbed by the police inferring that being in a cortege gives mitigation. Say the main part crossed a traffic light junction and the lights then change, the red car nips across to stay with the cortege and hits another car as a result. Because by the police's assertion, the car he hits is partly culpable by not spotting that a car that jumps the lights was going to do so? Really?
no, not really.
unless a cyclist was hit...
(For the record I think he was deliberately hit but the police are probably correct in that a jury would show sympathy to the mourners so nothing would stick in court)
If those pricks were so bereft that they can't drive safely, they shouldn't be on the road. There's no excuse for using a car as a weapon, drugs, drink, grief, non justify potentially killing a guy on a bike!!!
Since when have the police decided the outcome of the jury? I thought it was at least the CPS who decided whether to take a case to court?
Maybe there is a filtering system where the local police can decide in the case of a "minor" collision how to act?
Maybe there is a filtering system where the local police can decide in the case of a "minor" collision how to act?
of course there is, people get cautioned without further recourse to the courts all the time.
Have a read about the case on Road.cc where the "chav"(my interpretation of limited facts) got hit by a bus and is now facing assualt charges because a passenger got injured by the buses emergency stop.
It would be funny if it wasn't people being killed and seriously injured day in and day out!
Jesus wept.
The actual vehicles of the funeral procession had passed (even if they had special status). How are you supposed to know that a red hatchback a couple of cars back is part of that same procession and not just a car? And then what, once you've examined their clothing and deduced they are indeed going to the funeral - just fling yourself out of the way? The decision absolutely beggars belief. No reason not to wait and then over take after the traffic island.
It always strikes me as amazing that angry drivers who get so upset about being held up by cyclists are willing to get out of their vehicles and have a fight/shout abuse at the poor sod they've just knocked off. Way to go and save yourself more time you ****.
Perhaps the car driver should have done what the hearse drivers did and pass the cyclist in a safe/efficient manner. But no, attempt to pass at a pinch point, stand on the horn, knock the cyclist off and then dish out the abuse/threats 🙄
allthepies - Member
Perhaps the car driver should have done what the hearse drivers did and pass the cyclist in a safe/efficient manner. But no, attempt to pass at a pinch point, stand on the horn, knock the cyclist off and then dish out the abuse/threats
Yep, exactly. Should be a careless driving charge IMHO.
But no, attempt to pass at a pinch point
No reason not to wait and then over take after the traffic island.
They shouldn't be trying to overtake! He was signalling to turn right!!!
& it shows a real respect for the dead by standing on your car horn while causing an incident. Additionally, its not as if the cyclist is driving a dustcart and joining the convoy. Are you telling me the red hatch couldn't have waited for the cyclist & then caught up with the cortege?
How far does this new cortege discretion idea extend? Wedding cars, tourists in convoy, lorries in convoy, vintage car rallies - the more I roll this one round in my head the more absurd the plod's comments become. If I were the cyclist I would be lodging a complaint to the local plod HQ.
From reading the article it sounds like there's very little point as they all agree with the officer who wrote the email. I'd be straight to the IPCC.If I were the cyclist I would be lodging a complaint to the local plod HQ.
whilst it might have been polite to wait for the car thhey have no special place in law - the police are there to uphold the law - not interpret social niceties. an (illogical) extension of this is punching someone for not saying thank you & being told you should have said thanks!
What delay was he going to cause. car waits for cyclist to turn right then catches up 15 seconds later - big deal - that's not going to ruin grannies funeral!
watch these films with a preconception that anyone who rides around filming their commute is probably an overly rightious asshat and riding like a cock
It seems the police have teh same preconception you do.
I film my commute because I was hit by a car and the guy was as shocked as I was and totally honest about it. But I realised if the same thing had happened with someone who wanted to be awkward about responsibility then I'd be screwed.
So I bought a camera. A couple of years later I'm riding along a normal, quiet suburban street when a car coming the other way wants to turn right into a side road. The driver stops and waits, and as I get close to the front of the car, the driver behind her beeps his horn, so she just goes and I have nowhere to go but into the side of the car.
The only other witness who would have seen the whole thing was the 'beeper'. He was too busy driving on the pavement to get around me to stop and give his details so I would have been stuck with no witnesses and a driver who didn't want to involve her insurance comapny.
I agree some people with cameras are idiots, but then some people without them are idiots, you're just less likely to see it!
LONDONCYCLIST.CO.UK I was knocked off my motorbike on the motorway in May by a BMW driver with seemingly broken indicators and a warped idea of how to look in his mirrors.
Videos like the one attached, and the aftermath, are starting to put me off cycling on the road.
Can someone please recommend me a reasonably priced camera that I can purchase to help protect me against car drivers?