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Riding mtb is about road trips for me. Not usually very far 1-3hrs away and if I stay overnight I sleep in the van so fuel and a fry up are my biggest running costs. I am having to think much more about trips though.
Just "won" a £30 eBay MTB. New pub/shop bike . Only 20 years young.
i broke my mech and replaced a worn out rotor this week. i replaced the XT parts with deore.
the price of everything else going up aside, i really feel the prices for bike parts are astronomical and probably would have chosen the deore parts anyway.
I drive a lot for my job and motorway speeds have certainly dropped in recent times, although you can easily spot a company car/van driver without a tracker fitted.
Not sure how much of it is fuel economising and how much is down to speed cameras though. I think people have just gotten used to the idea of actually sticking to the posted limit.
But the number of people "making progress" has dropped to almost nothing. 70mph on the cruise controll actually get you held up in the 3rd lane!
I think the total volume of bikes sold won't drop massively, there will just be a shift towards a cheaper trend. Singlespeeding/rigid bikes were massive in the 2008 down turn, as people wanted something affordable but different. Fat bikes followed in the dip in 2012ish.
Expect to see a lot more posts about on one's and a lot fewer about yetis
It's the kids clubs, clothing and travel that I seem to spend a fair chunk on every month. Bikes and kit, I don't need a new bike or any major kit for a few years unless something catastrophically breaks.
I ride mostly local and have a single speed bike so can go mountain biking pretty cheaply if I choose to (or have to).
Travel is the one thing we still do a lot (too much) of…but perhaps we need to use public transport more.
Travel to hike and bike is probably the dominant outdoor hobby cost for me. All the interesting places are 1-2h away. It's just not possible to get to them by public transport.
I know people who’ve encouraged their kids to go running and orienteering, but biking is not an option as it’s way too pricey.
I was thinking about this recently, noticing what different people's kids are doing, and what (if anything) me and my friends were nudged towards or away from as kids.
Main difference for me is I'm riding from the doorstep much more due to the cost of diesel ect (Even though I've just got back from the Alps but that was arranged ages ago) In terms of what I spend on the bike/riding gear I only buy what I need which isn't usually much anyway, plus I dont do pointless bling.
Nah. I moved from Wales to Calderdale two months ago to allow myself to play locally.
I currently run two bikes, one rigid 26" MTB and one mishmash gravelish thing, both sourced from second hand bits and sale items. The MTB drivetrain (Sunrace MX8 based, 4000km use) will kark it towards Xmas, so I intend combining the best bits of both bikes onto a 29er rolling chassis (Scandal frame, Ridefarr forks, Mavic wheels) that I acquired in sales with tax rebates over the last three years.
Cheap as, does the job. But I'm grateful to all the upgrade whores that subsidise my activities.
Used bike prices are down for sure.
Not sure how much of it is fuel economising and how much is down to speed cameras though. I think people have just gotten used to the idea of actually sticking to the posted limit.
I'm having to overtake a lot more cars in my truck, that used to be virtually unheard of. Even driving along at 60-65 in my car I'm having to make a lot of overtakes, it's only the company cars and vans with fuel cards that are doing 70+ these days on my commute.
My road bike cost £400 off eBay a few years ago, most of the group rides I do have people on bikes where the power meter cost more than my bike. I don't think they are having more fun. Bought an on one whippet this year £1200. First MTB since 2001 ish......oh actually had a orange five for a while bought used (about £600) and then sold a few years later (£350 I think). It doesn't have to be an expensive sport
As others have said, travelling to rides/events is where it's going to hurt,plus if you race in all types of conditions,that can be really hard on kit.When it comes to (in your mind)balancing spend on toys against essentials, it gets easier if your bike is also your main form of transport. Over all the years I have commuted (30ish) I have saved around £65,000 ,that's a lot of toys and kit.
My road bike cost £400 off eBay a few years ago, most of the group rides I do have people on bikes where the power meter cost more than my bike. I don’t think they are having more fun. Bought an on one whippet this year £1200. First MTB since 2001 ish……oh actually had a orange five for a while bought used (about £600) and then sold a few years later (£350 I think). It doesn’t have to be an expensive sport
This is/was general experience of things new bikes are a mugs game mostly.
TBH though I think even the used market has run away a little bit thanks primarily to COVID and probably now due to the man maths not stacking up for shiny new toys every year, people with little understanding of value just pay over the odds...
I'm happy to stick rather than twist for a bit, but it's probably not going to suit people looking for a sensibly priced bike or the next size up for their kids.
Plus I think the route to a new toy for many will still be via C2W, it's the middle class tax dodge that helps the bike industry through the odd rough patch, Boardman seemed to shift plenty of £1k hardtails post 2008 IIRC.
I've just bought a used gravel bike. It's partly about saving money and not wearing out my MTB riding through the winter. It's also about a bit more variety.
I havent bought an MTB since 2013. Since then MTB's have appeared to over inflate in price. Road bikes didnt appear to be so extreme in their over inflation at the same point in time, but they do appear to be catching up in more recent years. We need golf to become more popular again and magazines like this stop publishing reviews of £10k bikes saying that they are 'normal'
As to travelling, I have never really done that to bike as I had great riding on the doorstep. In fact it really surprised me in lock down just how many people do travel just to ride a bike.
Other things do appear a bit nuts though when an outdoor waterproof jacket its being sold for £500, and you cant buy decent running shoes for less than £100
I suspect I'll be fine with just replacing renewables, but I'm less likely to splurge on posh upgrades like, say, a higher spec fork. Can't see myself buying a new frame unless I sell off some existing stuff, but generally bikes are pretty high up my priority list, almost, maybe even 'essential', though if it comes down to a bread v brake pads scenario, the pads will probably be, erm, toast. Or maybe not.
It's hard to generalise though. It's always going to come down to how important bikes are to you and how picky you are on economising on components and of course, how hard hit you are personally by the cost of living crisis en masse.
And I can't see any overseas bike trips in my near future.
With all my bikes bought and paid for, it's the travelling that will really take the hit over the winter and probably beyond. There's a reason I didn't go the Lakes much, it would cost me around £35/40 in fuel alone for a trip to Grizedale and back for example.
My road bike cost £400 off eBay a few years ago, most of the group rides I do have people on bikes where the power meter cost more than my bike. I don’t think they are having more fun.
Mine cost £300 back in 2005! It's been through a few rebuilds since then though. I think excluding consumables it's cost me about a grand to build it up as it is now (7800 Dura Ace gears/brakes, Ritchey WCS finishing kit, Carbon FSA cranks, handbuilt wheels). It's gone through the stage of looking cheap and now get's admired as retro!
It's just had it's 4th complete strip and rebuild with new moving parts, which due to the lack of decent quality 10s stuff ended up costing <£100, of which the lions share was new chainrings form SJS.
I'd quite like shimano to go back and do a run of ultegra / XT level spares. It'd be nice to get the basic stuff like decent quality 11-27 and 11-36 cassettes, but I guess that stuff isn't going to sell as well as making 12s OEM stuff.
With all my bikes bought and paid for, it’s the travelling that will really take the hit over the winter and probably beyond. There’s a reason I didn’t go the Lakes much, it would cost me around £35/40 in fuel alone for a trip to Grizedale and back for example.
I never did travel much, and when I do it tends to be optimized, so if I do a trail center it'll be a late drive up on Friday, probably the equivalent of two rides on the Saturday (e.g. a red route and a natural route) and then another early start Sunday, break for lunch and some recovery, then another long ride in the afternoon before riding home. I've never been one to drive to Afan or Surrey for the day.
i am cutting back in all walks of life, but my bike fund is being spent much more wisely.
These days i will buy say Nukeproof shorts (on sale at CRC) rather than Fox and then wear them until they die.
My bike is pretty well specced, so its going to be costly to replace like for like. For example, my AXS reverb has been on its way out for a while (mainly due to my poor maintenance which has sent it past the point of return.. an expensive lesson learnt), so whilst i did look at a new one, spending £500 odd on a new one doesnt seem sensible, so i will probably replace it with a One-Up, which in turn will give me a chance to split it the Reverb apart and see if i can repair it.
I have regular desires to add another bike to the garage, but know its not needed and is spending money i dont really have.
In regards to travelling, I drive an hour sometimes to get to the trails (surrey hills or QE) and i am much more aware of driving a bit slower to save a few extra pennies.
I also cycle to work as much as i can. Again, to save fuel... tho it does help me with mental and physical health too.
I am less likely to do any local events either. Nearly £50 for a round of Southern Enduro just doesnt seem good VFM anymore. I rather put that towards a couple of big events like Ard Rock or similar.
Oh and i am preparing myself for not having a riding holiday abroad next year. Thankfully there is plenty of the UK i have yet to explore.
I've not been carting bikes to and from the caravan this year, I just left one of my road bikes there ! I've not driven anywhere to ride the bike, although we've a weekend planned this month on the MTB's.
Spending has been as needed - I've got 4 bikes to run, but only the commuter has needed some cash, new wheels and worn drive chain. It is saving me upto £10 a day, each time I ride to work.
Just as 'luck' would have it, I'm mainly riding the road bikes or the commuter. The FS has hardly been touched due to extra mileage on the others. I did munch most of the drive chain during lockdown, but that's all recently replaced.
As for a new bike, I don't need one, so not buying one.
I won't believe there's even an issue until Weeksy stops buying bikes.
For a year or two now I’ve been struggling to justify the cost of mountain biking…the latest squeeze on disposable income isn’t making it any easier.
I can afford replacing parts etc, but it’s hard to justify purchasing X, Y or Z for a hobby, when we’re sat in the cold with no heating on.
And I’m not talking new bikes, general wear and tear components like tyres, brake pads and cassettes seem to be getting a bit out of hand.
I won’t believe there’s even an issue until Weeksy stops buying bikes.
It'll be a cold day in hell fella.
I do expect to sell my KTM though... but mostly because i don't really ride motorbikes these days.
Could we see the boom mid-pandemic become a collapse of sales?
Already happening. I think the market hasn't just reverted to normal post-Covid, but dipped beneath it a little with the general economic doom and gloom.
I don't expect many of us will be forced to give up our hobby, but many are already cutting back on new bikes & upgrading of parts.
As above, used prices are back down to sensible (or even cheap) levels now, and recent sales have offered some real bargains again.
Colin - I'm being much more picky about my traveling to ride too. We might even have to lift-share, eh? 😀
I've cancelled my subs to trainerroad and to GCN (bit gutted I can't watch the cx but needs must).
My mtb is out of action, needs extensive maintenance, leaking brakes etc., and I'm not rushing to get it fixed due to money... but then I'm mostly riding my cx bike which is in working order anyway. I'd probably normally have spent more maintaining the cx bike in the past too, but that was probably over maintaining due to my racing vice 🙂
I’ve cancelled my subs to trainerroad
Yeah Ive notice the subs for this sort of stuff have really short up over the last year or so.
A modern mountain bike doesn’t have that much in common with the bikes that we started the sport with in the 80’s’ish, the mountains are still mostly the same though. The modern mtb is closer in relation to a motocross bike with pedals. Maybe going back to simpler more durable equipment rather than the consumerist disposable market driven gear fetishism we seem to have fallen into would be better for inclusivity and affordability given our economy is rapidly being asset stripped back to the 1880’s.
+1. 'Cycling' as an activity is fairly healthy in economic terms; more people on bikes than when MTBs first appeared. 'MTBing' is an increasingly niche activity, if you discount the pootling around woods/along towpaths/bridalways etc that most people who used to buy 'MTBs' actually did. Those same leisure/casual cyclists now buy other types of bike; 'gravel' bikes have become very popular as a result. MTBing has been marketed increasingly as an 'extreme sport', so the bikes have become more sophisticated and specific. Yes, you can still buy cheaper MTBs from Halfords and Decathlon, but the 'entry' point for 'serious' MTBing seems to be relatively a lot higher in cost than it used to. But I imagine golf is probably more expensive these days too. Has anything actually got cheaper?
It’s an expensive hobby,
Riding all the latest tech gear and driving to all the tech trails for van-life weekends is expensive.
Local XC MTB on a less service-needy bike, or road/gravel riding, is basically pretty cheap.
Good fit, good geometry, great ride quality - none of those things are actually expensive to have in a bike. It's only marketing telling everyone that more expensive or 500g lighter etc solutions are needed.
Living near good riding may be a bigger cost or less easy to have. But that's the reason I'm not a rock climber or windsurfer, as much as I've enjoyed those things I don't have them on my doorstep and I'm not interested in having to travel every time I want to enjoy something. What I do have is miles of riding and bikes that suit the riding I have. Bike-location equilibrium.
Has anything actually got cheaper?
Not at all.
The price for new bikes now is insane - I know (because I was looking to buy...) that Specialized recently had a mid-season price increase, the bike I was interested in went from £2650 to £2950 and most models have seen similar 10 - 15% increases across the range.
I ended up going for a Canyon (and even that was in the Factory Seconds sale).
To be fair, I've needed a new road bike for years now so it was now or never - if I'd have left it any longer I'd literally not have been able to afford it with price rises.
I rarely drive to ride now; I used to pop up to the Lakes sometimes but won't do that now, it's almost all local rides unless it really is a special opportunity.
CBA read further, but this made me laugh:
We were chatting this morning about the cost of our other sports – hill walking, canoeing, road/touring cycling Vs MTB costs. All our other activities are cheaper and/or kit lasts longer. Travel is the one thing we still do a lot (too much) of…but perhaps we need to use public transport more.
Compare cycling to other folks hobbies - try horses like my OH has. End of thread.
YOu can get a regulation size football for about £4 in sports direct
it’s only the company cars and vans with fuel cards that are doing 70+ these days on my commute.
"Company cars"? How on earth do you know they're "company cars"?
but the ‘entry’ point for ‘serious’ MTBing seems to be relatively a lot higher in cost than it used to.
I don't think that's true. You can get a (new) hardtail that's suitable for serious mtbing for £1k. I started riding in '98 and the cost of a half-decent bike then (something with better than rst 281 forks) was around £600. inflation-adjusted, those are the same amount. At the same time, kit lasts a huge amount longer than it used to, particularly in terms of failures
The top-top end has got higher, but the entry-level-serious is pretty much the same.
Travel is the one thing we still do a lot (too much) of…but perhaps we need to use public transport more.
Have you tried getting a train anywhere on a weekend?!
If there are even any trains running in the first place (engineering works, strikes...), they'll go to somewhere just far enough away to be inconvenient, cost a fortune, only allow 2 pre-booked bikes on and that's before you even consider return journey logistics (often only to find that there's one train back and if you miss it, you've got to find an overnight stay somewhere).
So it's cheaper and easier to just pile everyone into an estate or van and just drive.
Compare cycling to other folks hobbies
The some of the ‘how much booze do you get through’ posts made me wince…
Compare cycling to other folks hobbies
yes, always worth thinking what you (or anyone else) would be doing instead.
I also enjoy cricket. Thats a £145 annual membership, plus £10 a match. So thats about £80 a month through the summer to play one game a week.
Thats not including kit costs (luckily as a bowler, bats last me years). Or propping up the bar afterwards. Or driving to away games.
I've always been a tight-arse when it comes to buying bike stuff . I'll always seek out the discounted stuff and buy a lot of 2nd hand parts (got 4 bikes, 2 built with mostly 2nd hand parts, one road bike that was from C2W about 10 years ago and a 20 YO MTB)
Over the last couple of years you have to get a bit more creative since component prices are high and availability is low. Where you could buy an XT 10 speed cassette for around £40 if you shopped around you're looking at about £70 now. Tyres are crazy money too, pretty sure they're equivalent to a half decent 18" car tyre these days lol.
I've hardly travelled to ride but I'm one of the lucky ones that lives within riding distance from the trails although, years ago I did used to drive 15 mins to the car park...which is bloody shameful! The downside to riding to the trails is the local trail center loses out on my parking money and generally I won't stop at the cafe either unless it's a longer ride out.
I do think there will be some casualties because of what's happening in the world but not half as many as other industries.
It’s an expensive hobby
It wasn't always. When I first started riding MTBs (1988), the most expensive bikes were around £1000-1200. So roughly around £2500-3000 adjusting for inflation. Some companies now sell pedal cycles for £13000. And more, I'm sure. Ok so most bikes aren't that expensive, but there's loads of bikes well in excess of £3000, and they're nowhere near the top end. That seems to be somewhere north of £6000 now. And even road bikes weren't too bad; a full Ultegra Specialized Allez was around £900 I think around the mid 90s (£1700 now), what's an equivalent bike selling for now? The 105 equipped Allez Sprint Comp is £2900.
Pedals. What TF happened to pedals? They used to be £15!
I don’t think that’s true. You can get a (new) hardtail that’s suitable for serious mtbing for £1k. I started riding in ’98 and the cost of a half-decent bike then (something with better than rst 281 forks) was around £600. inflation-adjusted, those are the same amount. At the same time, kit lasts a huge amount longer than it used to, particularly in terms of failures
The top-top end has got higher, but the entry-level-serious is pretty much the same.
Fair enough actually. A Specialized Rockhopper Elite is £949 and that has Deore gears, with Rockshox forks, and is pretty good tbh. Full suspension seems to add a disproportionate amount of money to things though, I'm sure you'll agree. The cheapest Stumpjumper I can find is £2250.
As for kit lasting longer; I'm not so sure. I've got some pretty ancient parts on some of my bikes; hubs that are perhaps 25+ years old, mechs and shifters that are around the same age. Cranks that are even older. Stuff that gets regular use, not just now and then. And I know that stuff from about 10 years ago was often rubbish; I've seen enough of it thrown away and needing replaced. Will current kit last as long?
Does seem to be an increase in hard tail threads.
Anyone want a who had the most rattley not-supposed-to-be-polished cranks competition😁
Does seem to be an increase in hard tail threads.
Its autumn.
And I'm not sure buying a new hardtail to save the bearings on your nice bike has ever been truly fiscally sensible.
I've always biked on a budget, but even more so after children came along. Unless I need to replace a pair of forks or a frame, 10 speed stuff, brake pads and tyres are something I can shop for in sales or buy in bulk.
As an example: I have run down my stash of 28h 30mm rims, and my main worry is replacing the ones on my hardtail or FS if they conk out. I'd bought as and when for the same ERD so I could re-use spokes at least once if needs be. I think I paid a maximum of £30 per rim for E13 TRS-1 and Pacenti TL28, sometimes a lot less. For my riding, they're fine.
[edit] On other hobbies: we're happily paying about £400 a year for sailing club membership and berthing for two dinghies, and looking at a coastal club for next year that will double that. The boats are sunk (ha!) cost - I'm racing a Europe (badly) that was built in 1989, a 20 year old mast and a sail that was used at the Worlds in 2014 and cost me £150.The boat's good enough that someone got into it for the National champs two years ago and got a 5th in a fleet of 50.
yes, always worth thinking what you (or anyone else) would be doing instead
A general point and not ryign to single you out but your comment highlights an idea.
I will say compare with other is bad. You tend to be able to find examples to justify your behaviour to whatever you want it to be. Either your justification falls within your own goal and criteria or it doesn't. Comparison with other is a get out.
“Company cars”? How on earth do you know they’re “company cars”?
Car stereotypes, driving during the workday, less than 5years old, pointless '-e' in the name to evade the BiK tax, "premium" car with the smallest engine (or no engine badge at all), sign written Transit Custom, the only car doing 80+, etc.
Have you tried getting a train anywhere on a weekend?!
If there are even any trains running in the first place (engineering works, strikes…), they’ll go to somewhere just far enough away to be inconvenient, cost a fortune, only allow 2 pre-booked bikes on and that’s before you even consider return journey logistics (often only to find that there’s one train back and if you miss it, you’ve got to find an overnight stay somewhere).
No need to get quite so defensive. Conversely I've used the train a lot recently, including with bikes and found it generally pleasant, convenient and the same cost as driving (and if I get some work done, actually profitable).
Sure getting up the ECML on a Sunday is a pain, with an hours diversion around Darlington, but then so is the M1 if some numpty decides to crash into the barriers whilst on the phone. At least I know in advance the train takes an hour longer than a weekday.