[Closed] Bos Deville or air Lyrik or 36 Float?

I don't know if you've seen these threads......if not you might find them interesting.

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/sorry-160mm-forks-again

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/bos-vs-fox-there-is-only-one-way-to-find-out-fight

For what it’s worth I’ve just fitted RC3 Ti’s and the performance is definitely worth the extra weight.

Deville for me, the set I bought for the trail bike required the purchase of a set of idylles for the DH bike I was so impressed.

Devilles all the way.
Its just that now I want a Vip'r to go with them.

Speak to Richard@gravituy-sports.co.uk, tell him Phil pointed you his way and ask for a Deville price...

They are fantastic, and quite a bit lighter than a Fox 36, 300g..500g less than the Marz, tho the Marz are supposed to be very good.

Deville 160 std. steerer direct from Bos europe work out about £730. I am trying to justify getting some instead of my 55 RC3 Ti's, but to be honest they are the best 160 forks I have had so far. Also had 2010 Float RC2's (not impressed) and Lyrik 170 DH Solo Air's (more impressed than Fox, but not in the same league as the 55 RC3 Ti's)

I am trying to justify getting some instead of my 55 RC3 Ti's

Get some, then sell me the 55's! I'm a fat biffer so the extra weight won't matter.

thisisnotaspoon.....I will let you know if I decide to sell. They are the Ltd. edition purple ones, bought mid 2011 and unmarked 😉

Ltd. edition purple ones

Brilliant, I like my bikes to clash as much as possible, fluro green, black, gray, silver and now puple.

I've owned all of these forks & the Bos was without doubt leagues ahead of the others, particularly the (imo overrated) Lyric. However, I now have a set of marzocchi 44 & 66 RC3 Ti, and they're fantastic. I can't comment on the 55 flavour but they'll no doubt be similar.

The marz' definitely have the best small bump sensitivity, but I think the Bos have a slight damping edge on big repeated hits. That said, the marzocchi are a fair bit stiffer (chassis wise, not spring). Check CrC out for 2010/11 marzocchi as they were due a load in 12/03/12.

Having ridden them all except the 55's, they are much of a muchness now. Is one significantly better than the others? No. They all feel slightly different in they work, but they all work just as well as each other.

To suggest one is leagues ahead, is a bit silly. It's not going to turn you into a riding god overnight, the likelyhood is it's going to make you no quicker, or enjoy your riding any more.

I've said before, you don't see Nico Vouilloz going any slower now he's not on BOS. Placebo.

Buy the one you like the feel of, and the one you get decent support for from an aftersales perspective.

Cheers yetiman, I'd read the bos vs fox fight thread but missed the recent one.

Seems like if i want air then bos is best, if coil then it's the 55's (which I'm not surprised about after my 44's)
also going by crc then it looks like I can get the deville's for cheaper than the 55's!

Not worried about big hit performance as if I'm planning on doing anything over 10ft i'd have my totems on.

You're right nico is still fast but I bet he's meticulous with the fox servicing requirements too. I wouldn't be.

To suggest one is leagues ahead, is a bit silly. It's not going to turn you into a riding god overnight, the likelyhood is it's going to make you no quicker, or enjoy your riding any more.

I've said before, you don't see Nico Vouilloz going any slower now he's not on BOS. Placebo.

Buy the one you like the feel of, and the one you get decent support for from an aftersales perspective

Ok, I'll accept that - bit of a sweeping statement.

I suppose I should have said in my opinion based on my personal preference etc.

Well the order has been put in for the bos deville's. I feel they'll be better than the 55's for the majority of riding I'll be doing.

there are a lot of people who rate the Lyrik over the Fox 36 as well.

You will also find that the Bos Deville suits aggressive riders more than other forks, so if you are only a "decent" rider who rides mostly trail centres they may not be for you as they supposedly sacrifice plushness for chassis control.

They are on the opposite end of the spectrum when compared to Maz forks, might be better to properly research what you are buying instead of making half arsed opinions like lyrik forks being the worst out of the bunch.

Owning Lyrik DPAs I find them soo smooth I have no complaints about their control, stiffness, or ability to swallow bumps of all sizes. I used to have the 2step spring in them and apart from being unreliable it was no where near as smooth as the DPA, they felt more harsh with 2step I guess the air resevoir was smaller.

I used to have 36 Float R's and they were good but not as good as the Lyriks with the DPA. They were lighter and felt quite smooth but because of the lack of compression adjust I couldn't get them to feel right.

If I were to buy now I would have some serious trouble choosing between the Lyrik DPA and the Mars 55 RC3 Ti. I love the travel adjust and feel of the Lyrik but the 55s are supposed to be silly smooth and they have really long service intervals.

I've not tried the BOS but I've ridden the Lyrics, Fox Floats (and Vans) and the 55's. I'm totally sold on the Marzocchi's. They are lighter than the Vans and they perform so well. The service intervals are perfect as well, that's what first sold me on them because in summer I'm riding 6 days a week and don't have time to service as often as I'd like. I'm just writing another more indepth review of the 55's for my site but so far it goes like this: plush, controlled and a very surprising but noticable increase in front wheel grip in rough corners. I've just got to flesh that out and stick some photos in 🙂

Been riding my new BOS forks all weekend and they sacrifice no plushness what so ever ime. Open up the high speed damping and they are way way less harsh than my coil lyriks which I ran fully open a lot of the time depending on use.

Hard to buy a "bad" fork and zooki look best value and service intervals from the reports.

Really Mr Plow? Maybe your Lyriks needed a service because everyone else's experience seems to say what I said. Small bump performance is good but the damping is supposedly stiffer, great for fast riders who are going to maximize the added control. Probably a massive waste of money for slower riders. Lyrik owners can purchase an avalanche damper cartridges if they get faster and want a stiffer midstroke.

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/bos-deville-forks

Have they sorted out the unwinding axle issues yet?

I agree though, it is hard to buy a bad fork. So hard I'd get the best buy instead of spending twice the money for negligible difference. IMO the Lyrik DPAs look brilliant, supposedly as plush as the solo air but with 30mm of travel adjust which I find essential for all mountain riding. Stick the Mission DH or vy damper on it and I'd be in heaven. That's what I'd blow my money on if I had 900 quid to waste but for now I think spending 450 for last years Fox's, Maz or Lyriks is the way to go.

Its mainly great stuff about the devilles in that thread bwaarp? I'm still sold on them.

Suit yourself man, I just think you blew an arse load of money on a fork when you could get 99 percent of the performance with a Lyrik or Fox, spend half the amount and then if you find you are really riding them to the edge of their performance (say national level elite rider speed) you could upgrade them with an avy damper.

But hey. I just take issue with this whole "this fork/shock is SO much better than xxxx". Fox, Maz, RS, Bos are so close to each other in terms of performance you couldn't go wrong with any of them except maybe Fox's Talas models.

Air lyrik is good as long as it's not 2-step, and you remove the lockout. Better than all but the top end Floats IMO. That said, heavier riders seem to like them less- I ran them at pretty low pressure so that'd possibly help keep them loose.

That said, I'd probably have the Devilles if I could get away without height adjust.

Yeah the 2-steps were awful, I believe they revised the internals for the new Dual Position Air fork quite heavily.

+1 on the height adjust, that's why I went for some U-turns. I can't stand long fireroad climbs with them set at 160mm.

I'm not sold on the Devilles long term so would not recommend them, only saying that they can be set up less "harsh" than my coil Lyriks. The Lyriks were serviced tons and are still going strong after 4 years. This includes having the TFTuned seal removal mod and bushings opened up to make them as plush as possible. In the car park test the Lyriks are very plush but on the trail they bottle neck in the fast damping a lot compared to the range of damping on the devilles. This is not the spring as I have run a spring too soft for my normal riding and the damping still spiked. I know of other lyrik owners that had the same experience. The DH damper probably fixes this but a lot of people say the DH damped lyriks push through their travel a little easy.

I only got the devilles as I have the lyriks as back up. I would still recommend lyriks to people as mine are good and the travel adjust on the coil u turn is very good if you like to use it for different types of riding. I got annoyed being over sensitive(read as crap riding skill and over fettling) and stuck between spring weights for the best set and forget feel so thought I would try an air fork.

mr plow, have you still got the lockout in the lyriks? Removing it gives the standard mico performance pretty close to the mico dh, and it's easily reversed if you don't like it.

I do still have the lockout, TFTuned told me not to do the mod for some reason or other to do with something not being sealed and thought the seal removal and bushing re-sizing would sort my requirements. They did come back very plush/stiction free. Never use the lock out so could do it before they go back on the bike. They are sitting freshly serviced ready for stand in duties - probably put them on to get scraped up in the uplift truck.

Could possibly mod the high speed shim stack, use lighter oil as well but I think we are talking about std products for the OP. Std lyriks are good and the Uturn part is very good.

Removed my floodgate, Sram has no problem with people doing it and even encouraged it. The only problem is you need to run a lot more compression as I believe the DH damper is slightly revised to cope with the increased oil flow.