Being a tyre geek, anyone know what rubber he was running?
Re-badged Dirty Dan's so available to all.
I've used the XC variety and sadly they didn't make me ride like that.
Well done to him - awesome run in those conditions.
I remember writing and complaining to the BBC about the lack of coverage when Peaty won - the reply came back that as it wasn't an Olympic sport they didn't have the resources.
That just doesn't cut it for me.........if team GB won the tidlywinks* world championships I'd be interested and think the Beeb have a responsibility to at least look into and report such GB achievements.
*insert any sport/activity you don't follow here
"BBC ... they didn't have the resources"
That is nonsense isn't it. A handful of paragraphs and few pics on the Sport webpage - is that too expensive?
I suspect that the mainstream sports journalists themselves are not interested or knowledgeable enough to write about it.
fail..! non embedded video of warners run failed content!!
im a pc dullard!!
try [url= http://dirt.mpora.com/news/champery-worlds-helmet-cam-rob-warner.html ]here![/url] its an eye opener to how fast hart was going!!!
I remember writing and complaining to the BBC about the lack of coverage
maybe it's because only a few hundred people are interested..
The first tyore looked like a dirty dan but the ones behind it looked different, with the different side knobs? /geek
I suspect that the mainstream sports journalists themselves are not interested or knowledgeable enough to write about it.
Downhill mountain biking. Its a niche sport with an odd image, done by a few and is inaccessible to many. I'm not suprised the BBC dont cover it. Why does it bother you that much anyway?
It is shame it isn't on the mainstream news a bit more, I think the problem is with mtb's xc race roots, it was always really dull watching race coverage, so no has ever turned onto reporting it even though DH is considerably more exciting viewing. We get some decent maisntream TV coverage up here in scotland when the show comes to Fort Bill on the news and the Adventure Show. I remember when the Grundig XC came to Strathpeffer in about 1992, although it was quite exciting standing on the steep bit of the course and the general race atmosphere was good, the TV coverage was just terrible to watch even having been there, just some muddy guys going along at 9mph.
maybe it's because only a few hundred people are interested.
Sorry to contradict you, but 21,000 views of the Mens DH replay so far. I imagine quite a few folks watched it live too.
Popularity v.s. coverage is a chicken and egg problem. People don't know what they like until they see it. Who would have thought, prior to the experiments in colour transmission ~1969, that TV coverage of Snooker would be so popular?
maybe it's because only a few hundred people are interested..
Rubbish! Not everyone is a hardened DH fan but I'm sure most cyclists appreciate and are interested in most disciplines of cycling - if a British rider had excelled and won a world champs in either BMX, road, track, trials, bicycle polo, bicycle speedway, penny farthing racing then surely any cyclist would be interested.
Like Buzz said, a few paragraphs and photo on the sports website at the very least would be justified in this case.
Downhill mountain biking. Its a niche sport with an odd image, done by a few and is inaccessible to many. I'm not suprised the BBC dont cover it. Why does it bother you that much anyway?
You mention niche sport, odd image, inaccessible to many? How's about Amy Williams winning the 'skelton' gold. Surely a sport doesn't get any more obscure/random/niche/inaccessible than that. Yet the sports media in this country creamed their metaphorical panties over her gold medal even though nobody in the country even knew it existed as a sport prior to her success. Just an example.
I don't disagree with you David but these issues are not the point. It's all about being either an Olympic sport (or not), and DH is not, rightly or wrongly. But (in my view) that reason alone shouldn't relegate it to where it is in terms of coverage. If it's good enough for some bird sledging on a tin baking tray then it's good enough for ANY form of cycling as a UK success story!
Why does it bother you that much anyway?
I just think its a shame - after what Dannys done then it would be nice to acknowledge it. Its not just a small race its the world champs and BRITISH Broadcasting Corporation SPORT website should celebrate any British sportsman/woman that achieves great things.
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But for 99.999% 100% of cyclists mountainbikers, that performance is absolutely nothing everything to do with what they do.Control, poise, flair, bike handling, fitness/stamina, balls etc etc.
No place in this thread for any negative comments, no matter how much you've convinced yourself they are relevant to the discussion.
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Exactly!
I think the comment
"But for 99.999% of cyclists, that performance is absolutely nothing to do with what they do." is possibly the stupidest comment I have read on here in a very long time (not calling you stupid druidh, just the comment), what is our sport about if it's not to do with skill, fitness e.c.t?
And as said above there is no need for negative comments at all, it should be a thread about celebrating an amazing achievement and a truly superb piece of bike riding.
Sorry to contradict you, but 21,000 views of the Mens DH replay so far. I imagine quite a few folks watched it live too.
Rubbish! Not everyone is a hardened DH fan but I'm sure most cyclists appreciate and are interested in most disciplines of cycling
whilst I agree wholeheartedly with the sentiment, it's an unfortunate shame that only 21 000 people worldwide have watched the vid..(without discounting the hardcore fans that have watched it 10 or more times in slow-mo to pick up on tread patterns etc [see above]..) probably with many in countries with a more mainstream interest in the discipline..
I imagine that there is a big difference between the number of bbc watching cyclists and bbc watching cycling obsessives.. the majority of cyclists exist outside of nerdy internet forums and many of them will not even be aware that cycle polo or downhill racing exist.. much less know of any international contests..
I like cooking but it doesn't neccessarily mean that I like watching cookery competitions..
I just think its a shame - after what Dannys done then it would be nice to acknowledge it. Its not just a small race its the world champs and BRITISH Broadcasting Corporation SPORT website should celebrate any British sportsman/woman that achieves great things.
Fair comment. I couldnt really care less who wins at these races, whether its a young british lad or not, doesnt really make any difference to my enjoyment of cycling.
I imagine Danny is chuffed to bits though, regardless of whether it gets a mention on the bbc!
Its a niche sport with an odd image, done by a few and is inaccessible to many. I'm not suprised the BBC dont cover it. Why does it bother you that much anyway?
I don't ride DH myself, but I suppose two things bother me (slightly) about this:
1. Cyclists and cycling in all formats are largely considered a nuisance in England. More positive coverage in the media would help everyone.
2. British DHers have achieved so much, with very little national support and infrasructure, and little recognition.
The Olympic angle is interesting. People want the UK to win medals as a sort of national affirmation. They happily indulge on minority sports* if there is a hope of a gold medal.
As for Danny, that run could become legendary. I'm tempted to turn up at a national just to see him race!
Not sure that Snooker is an olympic sport as yet, but that has had a fair bit fo coverage on the BBC over the years.
They've got a long way to go yet though until the likes of this makes the mainstream sports news, when they aren't even covering Wiggo in the Vuelta.
Shame really as it would also probably make the Beeb seem relevant to all those kids on their DH/Jump bikes if they gave it some coverage, instead of maintaining its middle class aloofness as the top network for rowing coverage.
Is the Vid on Vimeo any where? Unfortunately I cant view Youtube at work, and I would be interested to watch this*
* During a break period of course...
Of course, we could all vote for him in the BBC Sports Personality of the Year awards.
"BBC Sports Personality"
Never quite sure this is supposed to reward: sporting achievement, having been watched a lot on TV, or having a TV friendly personality?
I also agree with the comments that the BBC should be giving it at least some coverage but also would add, Singletrack world had no real coverage of the worlds at all, there has been one cobbled together report that Danny and Manon won and Rachel Atherton coming second, nothing about Annie Last and Fionn Griffiths picking up silver medals in their respective events. Or the other top performances Grant Ferguson , Lewis Buchanan and Brendan Fairclough.
How do we expect the wider media to take notice of race results when one of the most popular websites/press for our sport doesn't cover the event?
Think is a sad reflection of our sport that eurobike gets more coverage than athletes performing the sport to the highest degree.
Think is a sad reflection of our sport that eurobike gets more coverage than athletes performing the sport to the highest degree.
Come on...
... new headset standards are very important.
But for 99.999% of cyclists, that performance is absolutely nothing to do with what they do.
Skiing gets an entire show devoted to it on a Sunday afternoon on the BBC yet their performance is absolutely nothing to do with 99.9% of the viewers
First off, that was simply amazing, I stuck the video up on facebook and I even had a couple of non-cyclists telling me they had no idea a bike could be ridden that fast.
DH and 4X would undoubtedly be more popular if they got wider coverage. But the trouble is they only time niche sports like this get any coverage is at the Olympics.
So every 4 years we get to see niche sports at the highest level in our living rooms. If they prove to be popular (or GB does well) they tend to get more coverage eg track cycling recently.
So the only way we will see increased coverage is if these events get Olympic status
Downhill mountain biking. Its a niche sport with an odd image, done by a few and is inaccessible to many. I'm not suprised the BBC dont cover it
They've got an entire section devoted to "other" sports
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/default.stm
I didn't realise there were millions of netball fans in the UK...
Skiing gets an entire show devoted to it on a Sunday afternoon on the BBC yet their performance is absolutely nothing to do with 99.9% of the viewers
So explain the popularity of F1? F1 is far more removed from "normal" driving" than the professional DH scene, and yet has masses of viewers.
You only have to go somewhere like Whistler, or even Cwm Carn, where you will often see "average Joe" mixing with pro riders.
F1 is about as far removed from day to day life as you can get and yet is massively popular and has tv companies battling over the coverage.
Not buying the Olympics argument, XC is an Olympic sport and it's not exactly dripping out of the TV screens ??
I would disagree that there is no infrastructure also, there is fantastic infrastructure, all the people at SDA, SXC, BDS all those race series have been working hard for years with the support of BC. Danny Hart didn't spring up out of the ground fully formed and pedalling fast.
DH is in funny territory, it is not a fully professional sport (yet) but is still ruled by UCI, BC which are state and subscription funded bodies at the end of the day. However they point their resources more at the Olympic sports as that is how their funding is pointed.
But anyways, if you want to see more DH on TV try thinking locally, get your local TV along to races, they might not show the whole thing but some coverage helps to build awareness and interest with sponsors.
"How do we expect the wider media to take notice of race results when one of the most popular websites/press for our sport doesn't cover the event?"
You are right.
I was super impressed with Fionn getting silver medal in 4X defeating all the usual 4X suspects bar Anneke, ON A DOWNHILL BIKE!
And amazed that Bredog comes 4th in DH, with a snapped ACL!
Thanks Buzz-lightyear! Glad someone agrees with me, we keep harking on the the BBC isn't covering it, we should be getting at STW. We expect a huge corporation to cover the event when they already so many sporting events to cover and 1001 other things to cover/produce but 'we' don't seem that fussed that a mountain bike magazine/website can't even send one person to cover the event. It's not setting out a good example is it?
So explain the popularity of F1? F1 is far more removed from "normal" driving" than the professional DH scene, and yet has masses of viewers.You only have to go somewhere like Whistler, or even Cwm Carn, where you will often see "average Joe" mixing with pro riders.
F1 is about as far removed from day to day life as you can get and yet is massively popular and has tv companies battling over the coverage.
You're missing my point (and agreeing with me)
You're missing my point (and agreeing with me)
It was my intention to agree with you. I only quoted you because it was the first one that came to hand and I wanted to comment on that line of the thread.
Actually all of these top sports/sportsmen have elements that trickle down to the rest of us, whether it be technology, or just skills that we all should be learning.
I firmly believe that every keen mountain biker on this planet could learn something from what Danny, and other pro riders, do and apply it to their style/discipline of riding.
Not buying the Olympics argument, XC is an Olympic sport and it's not exactly dripping out of the TV screens ??
Yes but XC is dull to watch and we don't do that well in it, hence it gets shown on the box during the olympics and then ignored. If 4X or DH were in the olympics they would get primetime coverage on the BBC (We have medal contenders and they are exciting to watch and easy to understand). Better coverage of the sport would probably follow.
Snowcross and Skicross got lots of coverage at the Winter Olympics (even though we no hopes of a medal) because it made for good TV. No reason why 4X and DH with added local interest wouldn't get more interest
I firmly believe that every keen mountain biker on this planet could learn something from what Danny, and other pro riders, do and apply it to their style/discipline of riding.
Of course they could. But do they want too? I couldnt care less, I just enjoy riding my bike.
Yes but XC is dull to watch and we don't do that well in it, hence it gets shown on the box during the olympics and then ignored.
I dunno, downhill and 4x racing are pretty dull to watch.
I dunno, downhill and 4x racing are pretty dull to watch.
While I admit it doesn't offer the visceral thrills of Dressage or the Modern Pentathlon, it might attract a few viewers
I dunno, downhill and 4x racing are pretty dull to watch.
What do you find exciting to watch? I like watching DH, and I like DH skiing which is exactly the same format (and has a regular prime time TV show covering it). I find it odd that you think 4X is dull to watch - again very similar to skiercross and boardercross which was some of the best TV from the winter olympics IMO.
DavidTaylforth, are you related to Gillian Taylforth? 'cos your mouth seems to be full of b$ll$x. You're certainly entitled to your opinion but it really does make you sound more like an idiot every time you type something.
What do you find exciting to watch?
Its probably just the way its shot. I enjoyed watching films like Earthed and Roam etc. etc.
DavidTaylforth, are you related to Gillian Taylforth? 'cos your mouth seems to be full of b$ll$x.
What you on about! She had some class lines in Eastenders, and more recently, a Daz advert!
While I admit it doesn't offer the visceral thrills of Dressage or the Modern Pentathlon, it might attract a few viewers
Loving this quote.
Its probably just the way its shot. I enjoyed watching films like Earthed and Roam etc. etc.
Think it would be nigh on impossible to shoot live sports in arty shallow depth of field style - would be pretty cool though if someone did. Freecaster's coverage isn't great though, they often seem to not have very many cameras so a lot of the track is missed.
What you on about! She had some class lines in Eastenders, and more recently, a Daz advert!
And when she got caught sucking off that guy in the Range Rover.
Point is the Olympics as far as coverage is concerned is basically Athletics / Swimming / Gymnastics in that order with interesting niche sports thrown in (Although recently you can probably add Track Cycling as the fourth sport due to Team GB's recent successes - it seems to have relegated Rowing back to niche status)
Any niche sport with a bit a British interest always gets some coverage. So we end up following Giles Chipping Norton in the modern pentathlon or Amanda Quiver in the Archery. Any niche sport that looks a bit of a laugh or slightly dangerous also gets a look in which explains why Kayaking and Weightlifting always gets coverage.
So IF (and its a big if) DH and 4X can get olympic status they would be virtually guaranteed some decent coverage every time the olympics roll around and surely that has to be better for the sport than tucked away on Eurosport2 or online
STW front page:
- Some stupid hill climb competition in Hebden Bridge (centre of the MTB universe)
- Dusk till Dawn
- Some vague reference to a video of Danny Hart that if you didn't already know about it, you wouldn't click on.
Maybe there weren't enough steps at Champery so it didn't register as proper mountain biking in the collective STW staffer's minds. It's all about the steps, you know.
If you really wanted to know the result of the world champs would you go to STW? They cater for a different sort of rider. plus the forum covers all the very latest news and events right? 🙂
STW front page:- Some stupid hill climb competition in Hebden Bridge (centre of the MTB universe)
It is pretty ridiculous that advertising for such a parochial event (with a pathetically childish name might I add) seems to take precedence over Danny's achievement. :shrug:
They cater for a different sort of rider
So why did they have a stand at Fort William for the world cup?
