[Closed] Am sure people are losing the plot on the "for sale" forum

So don't buy it.

The prices shown are what folk are looking for.If you dont like it,risk buying it from the supermarket.

Your neither greedy

not compared prices to CRC, wiggle or merlin etc

The more I read this the less it makes sense!

I read it as,

You are either greedy,

or not compared prices on other sites,

or extracting the urine..

yeah, I'm with you.

i am currently trying to sell my ST4 for £1100 and have had no interest so god know how they are selling stuff for loads of money!!!!

What I hate are all the replys to your adds who demand pictures but never take it any further, or they say "Dibs" and then a week later say no thanks mate I've changed my mind.

It'll be worth what the market will bear. If you don't like the price, don't buy. If everyone doesn't like the price, it'll have to drop to sell.

Its called market forces. I really don't understand the need to whinge about it because the price doesn't meet ones expectations.

I guess the obvious option here is to go to CRC/wiggle/merlin then.

I'd say it's not really worth getting annoyed about in the great scheme of things.

I do chuckle when people come on trying to sell bikes for nearly 3k...

I know what you mean. I've just posted about a budget build. At first I trawled the ads and some stuff was way over new prices. I must say STW ads are the most grounded though.
Common ones I found were used cassettes, Brooks and chainsets dearer than new.

What I hate are all the replys to your adds who demand pictures but never take it any further

What I hate are all the ads that don't show pictures, even though everyone will want to see them... 😉

Exactly!! LOL

What I hate are all the ads that don't show pictures, even though everyone will want to see them...

+1

I like to see a picture for 2 reasons:
1, Condition, size, colour, actual part etc.
2, Seller has some way of showing he HAS / OWNS the item for sale; very easy to say I have these brand new XTR cranks for sale for £100 (even with a catalog shot) and be fleecing money!

ah im glad this thread came along as i needed somewhere to share this ebay listing,
[url= http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/broken-aluminium-bike-frame-chain-/130498627377?pt=UK_sportsleisure_cycling_bikeparts_SR&hash=item1e62530731#ht_500wt_935 ]broken aluminium bike frame with chain[/url]

What I hate are all the replys to your adds who [b]demand[/b] pictures but never take it any further

Post up bleeding pics then!, it's not difficult. 😉

It is for a numpty like me 🙂

Maybe a good aluminium welder could put what once was a beautiful aluminium frame back to being a bike in some shape or form

That ebayer is selling himself short, there's two mechs and a headset on that frame too.

To OP, if I'm selling something thats worth a bit and I'm not in a hurry, I'll start high and gradually drop the price if there's not buyer out there. Really bugs me when people trawl the classifieds dishing out 'advice' for the seller.
Make an offer or move on. Seems simple enough to me.

Prime example, a while back I was selling a Litespeed frame on here. Loads of people replying to my ad with stuff like "£700 for a 5 year old frame, forget it m8 u cn get a new Poopdream for that!!!"

Sold it for £680 a few weeks later.

mattyboy24:

i am currently trying to sell my ST4 for £1100 and have had no interest so god know how they are selling stuff for loads of money!!!!

Split it mate. I put my Dialled Prince Albert up as a full bike for £850 with no takers. Ended up splitting it and selling on here, ebay, pinkbike and bikeradar. Slightly more hassle, but made more cash, even after postage costs.

At the end of the day, most on here are technically adept to build/upgrade their own bikes so usually only want the odd part.

"broken aluminium bike frame with chain "
What were you searching for to find that!!

Prices are a bit odd on here at the mo, i'll always post hi as you can lower the price, but some pricing seems a bit random.

But hey oh, you can always not buy it:-)

I see theres another ad with tons of stuff marked as "(sold)".
Why not just delete the bloody stuff thats gone. 😐

Its wasting the internets it is. Wasting it.

Bikeradar pull any ads that don't have pictures enclosed.

Partly (probably) due to scammers selling kit they actually don't have but also you can't buy blind.

Saying that- some people on here will buy something within seconds of the item being posted up. Says to me these people really are gamblers.

Money is getting tighter for a lot of people. Pricing things low just encourages traders to contact you. Pricing low encourages pointless emails trying to low-ball you further. If I want to sell stuff cheap I do it on a local forum where I know it is going to somebody who will use it themselves.

Most times I click on the classifieds I just get the feeling of deja vu, most of the ad's have been up so many times. I can't blame the sellers for wanting top dollar, but it has put me off, and i no longer bother and just head to the on line retailers.

Most times I click on the classifieds I just get the feeling of deja vu, most of the ad's have been up so many times.

I must admit I was guilty of this recently. But every time I reposted I dropped the prices. It's when the same price is put up again and again you have to wonder.

...but sometimes it does pay off I guess.

What I REALLY don't get is the old saddle £3, old knee pads £4.50 etc etc.

I am all for avoiding waste and throwing away kit but just how bored must you be that you are willing to go into the shed, catalogue, photograph and post off old kit?

I've bought loads off the STW classified and never had a problem. However, I only buy stuff from people who are selling at a decent price, have included postage in the cost and (in most cases) posted up pictures of the goods. Anything else is too much trouble as a buyer.

Some people do take the pi$$ trying to sell worn components and scruffy clothes, etc, as well as asking stupid amounts for their tat.

One question though, in some ridiculously priced offerings I'm often tempted to post a link to a website that's offering the same goods brand new, post free and cheaper. Would that be acceptable forum behaviour?

I think the classifieds is great. I remember when you had to pay full whack for parts and take a gamble that it was what you wanted. This way, if it's not for me I can get a few quid back out of it and try something else.

I do agree that some prices people ask for are daft high and what's the point of posting an ad without pictures? If you can't do that you shouldn't be on the internet.

I've said this before. I've bought three forks off of STW that I was ripped off over. Two I returned and the last (Lyriks) I was shafted over but the seller gave me 50quid back to 'keep quiet'.

What annoyed me was the 'doesn't need a service' just before the forks clean up well when infact its blatantly obvious they bloody do.

Oh and then the other STW who sold me a 454 when in reality they were 426. Or does the 454's now come with a steel steerer? 🙄

Must just be you Hora. Probably not asking the right questions 8)

One question though, in some ridiculously priced offerings I'm often tempted to post a link to a website that's offering the same goods brand new, post free and cheaper. Would that be acceptable forum behaviour?

Nah. Will just end in a bun fight.

i've got 3 frames to sell but can't be arsed to take pictures or put up an ad, too busy riding

i've got 3 frames to sell but can't be arsed to take pictures or put up an ad, too busy riding

...and yet you have time to take pictures of the other 99.9% of things in the world.

I'm riding those though, the for sale stuff is in storage, thanks for noticing though

i've brought and sold a few bits on the classifieds, never had any problems.

i work to this buying and selling.

new never used= half of retail + 10/15%
last years model= half of retail
2 year old= half of retail - 10/15%

obviously there are exceptions, rare or hard to get bits go for a little more.

but there are plenty of tyre kickers and low ballers on here! as well as sellers with unrealistic prices!

Stuff will sell for what it's worth based on market demand. If it doesn't sell it's too expensive, poorly advertised, or not what people want.

I'd say sellers are free to ask whatever price they would like, but agree photos should be included.

I wouldn't sell anything on here because I just can't be bothered with the petty flaming and grumbling.
I'd much rather give it away.

how much would you value a 1996 17" kona hei hei with full xt f80 fork and mavic sunset xt/hope wheelset?

to the right person it could be £....

I see theres another ad with tons of stuff marked as "(sold)".
Why not just delete the bloody stuff thats gone.

I'll tell you my rationale behind doing this: there's no kind of feedback system on the classifieds, so I'll often make a point of leaving a record of items that I've sold. Ads can drop quite quickly off the front page, sometimes with just one or two items out of a few having been sold. As I buyer, I quite like to see some kind of sale history; and a thread full of replies and sales can be helpful.

Thomson Stem used £37 posted.

I can buy a brand new one for £55 and have it next day!

Thomson Stem used £37 posted.

I can buy a brand new one for £55 and have it next day!

Thomson Stem new £55 posted.

I can buy an immaculate used one for £37 and have it in a couple of days!

Thomson Stem used £37 posted.

I can buy a brand new one for £55 and have it next day!

So over 50% more then for a new one. What's your point?

Correction £40-42.

Its just enough to not be worth the hassle of having to touch hateful paypal or wait.

I've shown interest in about 4 sets of brakes in the for sale section in the past few days, and not got a reply from any of them 🙄

Its just enough to not be worth the hassle of having to touch hateful paypal or wait.

£35-37.50 posted is the typical price on the classified (and indeed eBay). So that's around £20 saving. That may not be worth [i]you[/i] using PayPal - although many sellers will take an instant bank transfer - or having to wait (perhaps) a couple of days, but it's a very good arrangement for many people.

I've shown interest in about 4 sets of brakes in the for sale section in the past few days, and not got a reply from any of them

Thats another thing. If its sold at least reply a one-line courtesy 'sorry sold'.

On pinkbike there is a function to mark the item as sold yet you still get mongs emailing you 'hello m8 still for sale'?

I got silly low offers on a jacket I was selling. I didn't sell it.

I've also seen people offering things for more than I'd be willing to pay. I didn't buy it.

I've seen stuff that I wanted for a price that I thought was fair. I bought it.

This kind of thing is self correcting, surely?

This kind of thing is self correcting, surely?

You'd think so.

With second hand stuff (ebay forums or whatever) you have to accept you win some and you lose some. I have just got a Saris rack on ebay which is a little more used than id like but I saved myself £60 on a new one and it will do the job, this goes down as a disappointment. I have also just bought some Fullride pedals for £12 posted – they are as new and a brilliant bargain.

I don’t get why you would use a forum when you get a level of security with flebay and the price is effectively the market rate.

If its too much just don’t bother, let people waste their time.

I’d just make what I consider a reasonable offer, if it’s rejected then that’s an end to it no point bleating to the rest of us…

There’s always eBay or other forums have classified ads too, STW is not the only place you can shop for slightly used On-ones

At the end of the day, most on here are technically adept to build/upgrade their own bikes so usually only want the odd part.

That made me giggle, most of the forks on sale on STW are there because their present owner is too Lazy or Stupid to change a seal or some oil… Or there’s a new toy on the market…

“…technically adept…” 😆 (Wipes away tear) Mercy...

fleabay often is well over the market rate - eg the well used brakes I sold on there for more than I could buy them new for...

I don’t get why you would use a forum when you get a level of security with flebay and the price is effectively the market rate.

Maybe the 'market rate' is what people are prepared to pay 'cos they don't bother googling the item listed on ebay to see what it's on offer for elsewhere. I've seen bids on bike components go way beyond the price you could pay for them new if you shopped around.

I don't bother bidding for much on fleabay these days 'cos it's a waste of my time following an item if people are going to outbid you and are prepared to pay way above a reasonable price. I only buy stuff that has an acceptable 'buynow' price.

You might be taking a small risk on the STW classifieds but I've always got bargains and, so far, have had no trouble. 🙂

I've been trying to shift a fair amount on the classifieds recently, been using STW rather than ebay mainly because I don't particularly want to line ebay & paypal's pockets and it's nice to sell to other people who I know are into bikes.

I do get a bit annoyed with the requests for photos when I've linked a flickr account with 25 or so pictures of everything. Often I'm at work so can't email pictures and often don't get the time to fire up the home laptop with the pictures on due to family.

It is definitely more hassle selling on the classifieds as opposed to ebay, but at least you get the price you are asking for.

Thankyou for those who;ve bought of me recently - you've paid for my nice shiny RS Reverb 🙂

Thats another thing. If its sold at least reply a one-line courtesy 'sorry sold'.

You are FAMOUS for expressing interest in items for sale and then not emailing the sellers out of courtesy when you change your mind.

Perhaps they're just giving you a taste of your own medicine?

If you don't like the price, don't buy it 😉

And back on topic: I agree more people seem to be chancing it with high prices lately.

But do people think I'm losing the plot with [url= http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/fs-zesty-214-medium-2010-heavily-upgraded ]what I'm asking for my Zesty[/url] here?

Genuinely interested because sometimes I think sellers are too greedy, but other times I think buyers are ridiculously tight.

Can both be true? Probably, yes.

If Ebay prices are way over the market, why bother selling with classifieds and forums. There is a market in all these things and ebay offers a service and there is a price for it but they also offer a huge customer base that gives you the best possible chance of a sale.

You can get some crazy people buying at over shop prices but that is great news for the seller.

rOcKeTdOg - Member
i've got 3 frames to sell but can't be arsed to take pictures or put up an ad, too busy riding

POSTED 2 HOURS AGO # REPORT-POST

and posting on here LOADS http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/profile/rocketdog

If you don't like the price, HAGGLE!
It annoys the wotsit out of me when sellers get offended by low offers, similarly, I'll try my luck with a high price when selling knowing full well I'll drop it happily if someone offers.

Chaka that is a very nice bike however framewise I'd have 600 in my head if I was looking at buying such a (nice) frame.

Wow

Didn't expect this response.

Am not winging about it, I just feel some people are over pricing there items, and time and time again you see the same people putting the same item on again and again.

I would rather get a bit less money for my item than re-list it time and time again.

But do people think I'm losing the plot with what I'm asking for my Zesty here?

Genuinely interested because sometimes I think sellers are too greedy, but other times I think buyers are ridiculously tight.

Can both be true? Probably, yes.

Had a look at your ad. I think your price is definitiely a bargain but second hand complete bikes sell for stupidly low prices! Its hard to split a bike like that too as a lot of stuff might be hard to shift or not worth much on its own. Ive got a spicy 316 thats even more upgraded (not bragging, just is lol) and a bit newer but I know that I wouldnt be able to ask any more than you are because people just dont want to pay that much for a 2nd hand bike.

I thought lapierre frames might fetch a good price 2nd hand as you can only buy them as complete bikes but I could be wrong. I wonder if there is an element of 'its only the 214' snobbery, despite the frames being exactly the same as the higher (non carbon) models?

I just googled a zesty 214 and the same bike (i think) new can be had for £1,400. £50 more than your second hand.

http://www.cyclestore.co.uk/productDetails.asp?productID=21915&categoryID=1130

hora, thomson stems are £45 new if you know where to look (probikeshop.fr and use their discount code), despite that there are a few on classifieds for £45-50.

Bargains get snapped up in seconds, I agree that posters should learn how to post pics, its not difficult and ultimately saves them hassle rather than emailing out half a dozen sets.

My only gripe about overpriced kit is how often it gets reposted, with little or no price drop, cluttering up and pushing other ads off the page.

but with cheaper parts, including a significant fork upgrade

uwe-r - Member
I just googled a zesty 214 and the same bike (i think) new can be had for £1,400. £50 more than your second hand.

I'm riding those though, the for sale stuff is in storage, thanks for noticing though

No, no. Thank you for taking the time out from riding to reply.

quite agree with the OP and generally laugh at FS posts along the lines of this...

'hardly used XTR pedals - i've bought them for £80, and noticed that they can be advertised for £120 therefore i'm giving them away for £85'

**** right off

I had a strange experience earlier this year. I was looking at buying a hardtail; negotiated a price, payment method, post etc.

I was just going to transfer the money when he comes back and says he'll post it in 8 weeks, when his new bike arrives. No, you won't. If I pay for it, it's mine. You're not riding it after that point.

It seems I was in the wrong by his response, so I left it.

I agreed to buy a shifter etc. Then I received an email 'chq is fine but you understand I wont post the shifter until the chq is cleared'.

I'm not 12yrs old who has just joined the forum. In addition its illegal to present a chq with insufficient funds isnt it?

The only thing that I can think of is the seller has been stung by a scammer in the past.

Still it put my nose out.

illegal to present a chq with insufficient funds isnt it?

Do you mean to write a cheque, or is the offence with the person trying to cash it?

He was right not to post, it was a reasonable caveat.

i wouldn't post something until the cheque had cleared. i don't think i know anyone who would.

I post on receipt. Theres a basic level of trust unless of course we are talking a frame, expensive forks or bike.

What have you got to fear? A regular on the forum might make £30 out of you? Scary world folks.

I've shown interest in about 4 sets of brakes in the for sale section in the past few days, and not got a reply from any of the

+1 on 3 Joplin posts. No replies at all so don't know if sold or not. Bought one on ebay - need a better system here to save frustrated buyers and maximise returns for sellers. I've bought and sold a fair bit on here but could be better for all the reasons already mentioned.

Hora,

OEM 454 pikes had steel steerers. So yours could be the real deal.

Hora, in one sentence you assert that you are not naive; in the next you demonstrate almost absolute naivety. You are genuinely fascinating.

i have to trust you because you're a regular on a forum? not a chance.
if we've met and i thought you were a dissent fella than i might, but probably not.

trust no one!

pastcaring I'll flip this round. Yet you expect someone to pay a forum member blind for items not seen 'in person' first? I think the buyer has to show alot more trust than yourself.

Naive? Confused more like- my point is hardly the crime of the century 'ooo I got 30quids worth of used bicycle kit on some chump'

?? 😆

'ooo I got 30quids worth of used bicycle kit on some chump'

works out quite lucrative with the number of trusting 'chumps' about....

Naive? Confused more like...

It's the naivety that causes the confusion.

Oh, and most people would prefer not to lose £300.