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Why are suspension forks so expensive?
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Small volume high precision manufacture. Fair sized profit margins I bet but thats the main reason.
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TJ, profit margins on forks aren't huge. A lot of work goes in to those little bouncy bits, as you say it's the small volume and high precision manufacture involved.
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Sub 'suspension forks' with any part from the bike industry. It's all the same!
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and why do they have such short life spans?
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and why do they have such short life spans?
Because they get ridden in shite all there life and they have to be reasonably light weight. Maybe.?
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The average price has risen massively over the past 10-ish years though.
I suppose the largest market for high-spec forks now is new builds, where people are more likely to swallow the larger costs, rather than upgrading your factory-spec bike which is what people used to do.
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Short life apans only applies to some designs.
You should try racing motorcycle stuff - tens of thousands of pounds for a fork
Light cheap strong - pick any two - and a fork must be strong because of the leverage on it
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IMHO - and only guesstimating - far too many models in each brands range and constant evolution means development and tooling costs have to be made back fast. On top of paying manufacture cost (man hours and materials), distribution, shop margin.
Baffled me why Spesh insisted on making their own forks and shocks. Up to that point Fox had seemed happy to make bespoke kit for them (Brain shock). Making your own means investment in the expertise, design, production kit, testing. And from what I have seen they have yet to make a product that matches the best of Fox and Rockshox.
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RS1s were £350 IIRC in 1991/2.
Prices seem high but recent hikes relate to materials, recession etc?
Worst was Judy SLs in late 90s, £600 for an elastomer fork with a leaking plastic cartridge...painted yellow! Paul Turner knew how to make $ OK!
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The average price has risen massively over the past 10-ish years though.
It's not as if new forks are any plusher, lighter, stiffer, longer travel, more adjustable, better damped than they were back then, is it...?
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and why do they have such short life spans?
Made light.
It's not as if new forks are any plusher, lighter, stiffer, longer travel, more adjustable, better damped than they were back then, is it...?
Slightly, but I still can bearly identify a difference in damping capabilities from a new fox to my old bombers, and my old bombers are still going 11 years on with 2 or 3 oil changes and one set of seals. Sure they're a smidge heavier, but the price seems to rise exponentially with weight loss and the damping performance does not seem to alter much. In fact having tried a few of the more recent marzocchi air-sprung and coil sprung offerings, I'd say neither felt as nice as my old Z1s so I'm befuddled. The old Z1s had adjustable rebound and speed sensitive compression valving, and were buttery smooth with no perceptible stiction, and are user-servicable with £8s worth of seals.
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Baffled me why Spesh insisted on making their own forks and shocks. Up to that point Fox had seemed happy to make bespoke kit for them (Brain shock). Making your own means investment in the expertise, design, production kit, testing. And from what I have seen they have yet to make a product that matches the best of Fox and Rockshox.
It's all made out east you know...
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bikemonkey - Member
The average price has risen massively over the past 10-ish years though.
In 1992/93 when the first rock shox became commercially available. They cost Ir£320 here. Which at an approximate average inflation rate of 3% per annum would make them cost €700 in today's money. When you think about it in those terms they're really not that expensive considering how much the technology & design have advanced since then.
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Not a lot of people pay full whack though.
RRPs have shot up a bit in '09 and '10, but there are still plenty of places to pick them up cheap.
And they do work really well now (even if you're supposed to service them every five mins).
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RRPs have shot up a bit in '09 and '10, but there are still plenty of places to pick them up cheap.
Agreed. The prices definitely drop like a stone as next year's models are released.
I paid £300 for my 2009 Reba Teams and the RRP was about £590 IIRC
and they had been that price for a while before every retailer dropped the price as the 2010 models loomed on the horizon. I'd be gutted if I'd paid full whack for them!
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I always wait for the previous years forks most of them are usually half the price or better or shop at merlin for a nice OEM bargain.
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and why do they have such short life spans?
I'm planning giving my second hand Marzocchi Z3 130mm QR20 forks (2002 model) their first service.
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TJ, profit margins on forks aren't huge. A lot of work goes in to those little bouncy bits, as you say it's the small volume and high precision manufacture involved.
Profit margins on retail prices must be astronomical judging by what they go by to manufacturers. I bet most of these "70% off" spring discounts are still making profit.
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Older marzocchis use old motorcycle tech, Open bath internals means much better ;lubrication of the bushes, motorcycle type seals mean much better sealing. disadvantages are weight from the amount of oil - especially as its unsprung weight and greater stiction.
Its still my fork of choice tho.
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In 1992/93 when the first rock shox became commercially available. They cost Ir£320 here. Which at an approximate average inflation rate of 3% per annum would make them cost €700 in today's money. When you think about it in those terms they're really not that expensive considering how much the technology & design have advanced since then.
Well most technological stuff seems to have become cheaper by then. Also the manufacturing processes have advanced, and volumes are huge comparing to those days.
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Demand remains high, we keep buying them even at the ridiculous prices. £800+ for a Lyrik or 36 is mental!
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Market segmentation?
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There must a demand for simpler forks that are tuned for the rider when they are purchased? That would of course mean more suspension specialists at the place the fork is bought from but they are just some tubes, shims / holes and oil at the end of the day. It seems daft paying top dollar for suspension when no end of adjustments, which once fettled never need adjusting again.
As it happens, I picked up a mint pair of 2003 Shivers for 200 bucks and they are as plush as any 1700 buck I've bounced up and down on.
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TandemJeremy - Member
Short life apans only applies to some designs.
You should try racing motorcycle stuff - tens of thousands of pounds for a fork
Light cheap strong - pick any two - and a fork must be strong because of the leverage on it
It seems to me that suspension forks are designed to not last.I'm amazed that fork gaiters only seem to be used on cheap tack. Properly designed gaiters with a breather and a filter would prevent muck getting in - this was mastered in the '60s by BMW on the R60/75 series bikes. I did huge mileages offroad (was way out in the bush) and I only stripped my forks once a year, yet they were pretty clean inside. Meanwhile mates on Japanese bikes would have totally worn out their seals and bushings because those came with bare stanchions.
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I bet R&D costs them f all. It's not like Rock Shox suddenly went from making wooden garden furniture to suspension forks.
Just worked this out...
Boxxer Solo Air ----- £481/kg
Manitou Dorados ----- £433/kg
Lyric 2 Step Air ---- £374/kgSilver @ 09/02/10 --- £317/kg
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i looked at some 36s last week.
they are a serious amount of money, but they are a serious set of forks too.Posted 2 years ago # -
I'm unsure the low volume thing holds water.
Fox and RS must sell tens of thousands of units per year these days, I thought things came down in price as they made more of them?
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I think forks lack gaitors because theres no room for them. The lower sliders are longer than they used to be to improve stiffness, which means at full compression theres no space between the sliders and the crown, leaving very little exposed stanchion.
PLus, the most durable forks i've had were old marzocchi Z2's and they didn't have gaitors so i'm not sure its the cause.
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The average £500
pricebike hasrisenimproved massively over the past 10-ish years though.FTFY
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forget forks, look at the price of bottom brackets, chainrings and other wear+tear items. It's stupid, buying a new set of chainrings and a BB costs more than buying a complete new chainset.
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profit margins on forks aren't huge
nonsense imo, but as an afterthought are you referring to the manufacturer or shop margin?
for example - rrp on 2010 36 Talas £929, yet i paid £599
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merlin can sell 1.5" Lyrik Coils for £399, rrp is quoted as £865 - but the 1 1/8" model is £720 !!
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one reba fork i was interested in buying last year from CRC increased in price by 27% overnight -WTF
maybe it is a combination of - margins / exchange rates / raw material costs / increased cost of living reducing sales? but the major companies must be noticing the reduced sale of non-oem kit
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Agree with chunkypaul - Magura Thors nearly £700 rrp but On-One knocking them out for £400 and others at less than £500. Maybe they never get sold at RRP, but the price range means someone is making good retail profit on them.
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They charge what people are prepared to pay. The average fork (Fox/Rockshox etc) will cost about £60 to make. The "fine tolerances" only apply to a few small parts - most of the parts in a fork will be standard manufacturing tolerance. However, then you have the manufacturer profit margin, shipping, import duty, plus then the importers profit margin, overheads, exchange rates, distribution costs, and then the retailers profit margin, overheads, and all of a sudden a part that costs £60 to make could cost £300 to get to the retailer.
Also, bear in mind that, at the following model year, no one sells the part at a loss, but they will all take a reduction in profit so that the shelves are cleared for the new model to sell (at a premium).
Most parts of a fork will not change substantially from year to year - just valving or paint finish or whatever to give it a refresh, and then every 3 years or so a major refresh or new fork. So, across the world, the average Fox fork probably sells 300,000 units over 3 years, so there is substantial revenue from them. The more high end forks (does the rebound damping bit really cost another £100?) they sell, the greater the profit.
Specialised probably went their own way to cut the cost of buying from Fox, as they could make the part for £60, but it might cost £100 to buy from Fox, and they can get custom parts made to their spec. Trouble is the quality issues can wipe out any cost save, and it doesn't seem to take much to make a fork not last long. When they get it right though, it could be a good business model.
But new forks are blimmin expensive though. I only buy 2nd hand now!
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Priced to the market I suspect rather than the cost to manufacture. Most things are priced to what the market will stand, look at starbucks or VW
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