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  • socialism vs capitalism……
  • Robespierre
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    To the utter w**nker who reckons that 'the socialist experiment' has bred a weak and enfeebled population etc. Unless I'm very much mistaken there was a project fairly recently to reverse the tendency of welfarism and redistribution to allow those less than perfect specimens to stop being a burden on wealth creation. But things must be looking up for you and your kind…you've got a special party to vote for who take their cue from the experiment alluded to above. You are beneath contempt.

    willard
    Full Member

    Anarcho-capitalism…

    Free to make money in any way you see fit, as long as you pay taxes on it.

    IanMunro
    Free Member

    Is he definitely not brilliant and witty photocopying entrepreneur Adam_G?

    🙂

    enfht
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    Hey Robespew how do you cope with all that hatred spewing from the pores of your skin? You must create a puddle wherever you stand…

    I'm curious, did the "project" you speak of yield any results?

    Definitely one of the most interesting hate fueled left wing rants I've read on STW for a while, probably beats Ernie-Che-Lynch, TJ and even the hallowed RudeBOY.

    EDIT: I shouldn't have used the term left wing, sorry.

    simonfbarnes
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    how do you cope with all that hatred spewing from the pores of your skin

    you can have contempt for an idea without hatred for its proponents

    mavisto
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    How strange that the best place to live in the world (Norway which I love) has managed to become the best place to live in the world by mostly coalition governments since WWII

    All the parties in this country say it won't work.

    I think I'm going to look for a job in Norway.

    ernie_lynch
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    enfht – Member

    Hey Robespew how do you cope with all that hatred spewing from the pores of your skin? You must create a puddle wherever you stand…

    LOL ! Yeah, because you wouldn't use emotive language, would you enfht ?!!! 😀

    So Robespierre called Forked Souls an "utter w**nker" and said "You are beneath contempt" …….. and that represents a "hate fueled left wing rant" ?

    You are a clown enfht …………….. get a grip of yourself mate

    simonfbarnes
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    With a name like Robespierre one might not expect him to have much sympathy for the rich…

    enfht
    Free Member

    Hey Ernie I'm still waiting…..for the third time, was your hero Che a terrorist?

    GrahamS
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    Ahh good to see this potentially interesting afternoon debate dissolve into a slagging match so quickly. 🙄

    All capitalists are evil power hungry sociopaths.
    All socialists are naive and very bad at maths.

    *throws a pie*

    simonfbarnes
    Free Member

    Ahh good to see this potentially interesting debate

    now who's delusional ?

    *throws a pie*

    AND wasteful 🙁

    Robespierre
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    You sound surprised that someone has taken the STW eugenics enthusiast to task, enfht? No problem with being called left wing cos that's what I am. Usually ignore the low level right wing mumble from this forum but did you read the post? Bloke's just plain ignorant…we are born helpless, sunk in our nursling dependency…even the kind of superman who regards anything less than physical perfection as a trait to be 'removed'. We depend upon kinship structures for our survival, and these go beyond the calculus of self-interest and self-agrandisment that form the narrow, conservative notion of 'human nature' that routinely gets trotted out as a repudiation of socialism…whateve socialism means now.

    simonfbarnes
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    I heard Dawkins (for the first time) on the telly the other night suggesting we have a gene for kindness. Kinda like squirrels randomly burying nuts everywhere, if people are habitually kind they're likely to get it back too :o)

    ernie_lynch
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    Hey Ernie I'm still waiting….

    Well you'll be waiting a long time if you think I'm going to waste my time trying to have a serious discussion with you, after the bollox you wrote on the other thread.

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    How's that for a "hate fueled left wing rant" enfht ? Eh ?

    Did you feel all that hatred spewing from the pores of my skin? I must create a puddle wherever I stand…

    LOL ! 😀

    juan
    Free Member

    I am with robespierre…
    Now where the fouck is my guillotine…

    montylikesbeer
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    Since the beginning of the welfare state post 2nd world war we have become a broadly centralist society.

    I believe however our expectations cannot be met as society stands now.

    As cold as its sounds social benefits cost, so who creates this wealth and how should it be distributed.

    Going back to the days when "horse tablets" were taken because you could not afford a doctor I am glad are a thing of the past.

    However expectation without working for the common good of society I feel is becoming the norm.

    I like to think I am a practical socialist, I run my own company, provide good well paid employment, realise that there is a need in society to support others.

    We need a balance of both

    juan
    Free Member

    I must create a puddle wherever I stand…

    Nae that was rudeboy at the BBB 😉

    Sorry sorry sorry
    Igmc

    aP
    Free Member

    [cough] Ernie – RB is trying to get hold of you. [/cough]

    as to the "discussion above" – being an old style wet I'm out, as bizarrely I'm more left wing than all of the current models.

    Robespierre
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    Ah, glad its all calmed down! I only logged on to see if anyone is using the 2010 rev race maxle's and suddenly I'm not in Kansas anymore.

    oddjob
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    It's funny that everyone admires the Scandinavian model but I can't see a party getting elected on a promise to raise taxes to >50% on everything you earn, 25% VAT on everything you buy and 180% on cars (not to mention the other endless list of taxes) that is required to pay for the state care that we get in Scandinavia.

    Do any of you really think for a minute that you'd vote for a party that wanted to effectivelu double your tax burdon?

    BTW Norway doesn't pay for their welfare from oil revenue, it is primarily tax income like the rest of the Nordics.

    grumm
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    Do any of you really think for a minute that you'd vote for a party that wanted to effectivelu double your tax burdon?

    I would if I thought they would spend it effectively.

    Robespierre
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    Can't pretend to be an expert on this but aren't the wages in Scandinavian countries quite high, which in turn allows a larger tax take than the European norm without diminishing consumer spending? Still appalled at the price of beer in Sweden though…seems like utopia remains as tantalisinly out of reach as ever.

    oddjob
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    Wages are somewhat higher, but so is the cost of living. All in all I think we have less spending power but I don't have th figures to hand to confirm this (I'll check)
    When I moved here I got a 20% pay increase (it was a promotion of sorts as well) and my net income fell by 15%. Cost of living is about 20% higher than the UK in my experience.

    mavisto
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    oddjob – Member

    If the taxes are so high, why does it still have one of the highest standards of living in the world?

    I notice that Denmark is 16th on the list and Sweden 7th. How does taxation differ between the countries?

    oddjob
    Free Member

    I just checked here and I can see Denmark is 16th and UK is 19th so not a big difference

    enfht
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    Well it made me chuckle 😀
    I didn't want a discussion just a yey or neh but if you feel it would take more than a one-worded answer then you've answered the question, namely "yes he was but rant rant rant" 😉

    So, who's brave enough to clarify exactly what RB got up to at the BBB???

    So far I've established he was drunk, naked, in the shower area, late at night, abusing mixed groups of stw'ers. but what else went on????

    juan
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    So, who's brave enough to clarify exactly what RB got up to at the BBB???

    I am but the BBB etiquette is that the only one that can speak about it is RB.

    oddjob
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    Denmark is the highest taxed in the world and Sweden second. Danmark overtook them last year.

    What is standard of living defined as?
    We have good health care, education, care for the elderly etc. We don't have as many super rich people as far as I can see and in general a lower disposable income. There are a lot of people in Denmark who live a very frugal life, on a global scale they are well off, they have what they need, but there is not much money for luxury items like £3k mountain bikes…
    I'm not complaining about it, it is nice here (dull but that's another story) but there is a massive difference in attitude towards tax and the state compared with the UK

    oddjob
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    List I looked at puts Sweden 15th

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

    Norway is up at 3 but that is probably becuase they are not in the EU and it saves them a lot of money that they are getting from oil

    enfht
    Free Member

    I am but the BBB etiquette is that the only one that can speak about it is RB.

    spoil sport

    Anyhoo what about STW etiquette? (ie get stuck in)

    ernie_lynch
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    aP – Member

    [cough] Ernie – RB is trying to get hold of you. [/cough]

    Done. I believe YGM aP

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    enfht – Member

    I didn't want a discussion just a yey or neh but if you feel it would take more than a one-worded answer

    Well if you're happy with "more than a one-worded answer", how about **** off **** ?

    HTH

    enfht
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    That's actually 3 words Che-Ernie…

    Do you dream of a Marxist Revolution in the UK as well?

    mavisto
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    oddjob – Member

    I think you might be looking at a different list. Norway made the news yesterday as the 'Best place to live', I assume because it happened recently.

    I've been looking a the indeces for the national income equality (the Gini coefficient) in an attempt to find out more about a measure of the standard of living. It's a list from 2005, but Denmark comes right at the top (if there is a top) i.e. there is a smaller gap between what the highest and lowest earners are paid. Norway was also quite high on the list as is Sweden. The UK is quite a long way down.

    Do you feel that Denmark is a 'fairer' society?

    charliemort
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    Capitalism is the exploitation of the many by the few

    Socialism is the opposite

    quote by some French bloke

    (or something like that……….)

    enfht
    Free Member

    quote by some French bloke

    Careful, didn't De Gaulle believe that he liberated France from the Nazis?

    grumm
    Free Member

    GDP per capita is not the same as standard of living!

    deadlydarcy
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    Do you feel that Denmark is a 'fairer' society?

    At least they stick up for their cartoonists.

    deadlydarcy
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    GDP per capita is not the same as standard of living!

    Which in turn isn't the same as quality of life.

    hoykalot
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    You need poor people to dig roads and shovel crap for you otherwise a lot of very rich people are very quickly going to find themselves up to their knees in shit. Actually I've answered that one haven't I? Capitalism works, if you re-introduce slavery.

    you have just described the system in saudi arabia

    deadlydarcy
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    you have just described the system in saudi arabia

    Which in turn, keeps our premiership clubs out of administration and the prospect of minus 10 points. Thank the bejesus for oil.

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