Viewing 40 posts - 1 through 40 (of 44 total)
  • Glucosamine for knee pain ?
  • The-Duke
    Full Member

    Hi
    Currently off the bike at the moment due to a twisted knee, physio thinks it may be cartlidge damage. Just found an advert in WMB for a company selling chewable glucosamine tablets called Meltdown Sport Gold that are meant to help keep your cartilage healthy. Anyone used these before or have any opinions ?
    Cheers

    IanMunro
    Free Member

    I use em daily, I can't say that they are of any benefit, but they don't appear to do any harm. The problem with these things is that it's notoriously difficult to separate any actual improvements from plain regression to mean.

    thisisnotaspoon
    Free Member

    Evidence is 50/50, google "natures best" they do bigger tablets than most, and they're cheeper. No need to chew, MTFU and swallow (fnar fnar).

    Get ones with condroitin in them as well, no quite sure what it is (suspect it may be a fancy name for potasium chloride) but apparently it helps much more than glucoseamine on its own.

    Doc's oppinion was, "well it cant do you any harm so you may as well".

    And avoid rub in ibuprophen gel's, snake oil of the highest order and can actualy make things worse.

    Fresh Goods Friday 696: The Middling Edition

    Fresh Goods Friday 696: The Middlin...
    Latest Singletrack Videos
    soobalias
    Free Member

    buy "joint powder" from equiform

    and then just stick a teaspoon full in your morning cuppa.

    FuzzyWuzzy
    Full Member

    I've been taking some for about 3 months and they've done bugger all for my knee pain

    docrobster
    Free Member

    Probably not much better than placebo.
    You'd be better off with ibuprofen.
    Not sure how ibuprofen gel could make things worse but it is more effective orally. Can cause side effects though (heartburn etc)
    Studies tend to look at people with osteoarthritis taking it long term for pain relief- this is not you so you can't extrapolate those studies to your situation
    in plain language here
    more detail here- from a respected source
    Re the joint powder:
    everyone should read his book

    jackthedog
    Free Member

    Doc's oppinion was, "well it cant do you any harm so you may as well".

    +1

    My ortho surgeon told me to take it for my osteoarthritis. His words:

    "There's evidence to suggest it's good for nourishing cartilage. Not very good evidence, but it's there."

    surfer
    Free Member

    The positive stories I have heard are all anecdotal, even they rely on taking them over a long period. Personally I wouldnt bother.

    thisisnotaspoon
    Free Member

    Ibuprophen Gel (cant qote papaers, this is what the doc told me)

    Evidence shows very very little of the ibuprophen actualy makes it into the body, not enough to work effectively.

    For muscule pain the placebo works just as well, just massage in some hair gell/massage oil/ sex lube for the same effect.

    For joints it can be worse, say you were suffering form ITB or another tendon/ligament pain, which can be miss diagnosed as cartilage in a 5 minute appointment with a doc, then rubbing it is going to make things a lot worse.

    His oppinion was if ibuprophen doesn't work for you, and arthrotec(sp?) is no better then take paracetamol for pain relief and just try to keep the load off it.

    docrobster
    Free Member

    then rubbing it is going to make things a lot worse.

    It's not rubbing the brufen gel in that's making it worse though, it's not treating the ruptured ACL or whatever.
    Brufen gel is safe, but like you say, pretty much a placebo.

    devs
    Free Member

    Since taking Glucosamine and Chondritin my sore knee and elbows have gone away. When I started taking it I had a period where I got a clicky neck when sat at the computer for a while but that seems to have gone too but returns if I stop taking it, i.e when I go on holiday and forget them. I also seem to get sciatica more often when I don't take them. For the few pennies they cost they are well worth it IMHO. Glucosamine seemed to give my old pooch a bit of extra mobility in his later years too.

    worked for me too, although during the time i was taking it i had a 20 mile commute so not sure if that made my knee stronger. anyways, has to be a good place to start as it's cheap and probably risk free

    alpinegirl
    Free Member

    I think it works too. If I forget for a while I notice the pain in my knees getting worse. A friend of mine here (who is a sports injury specialist doctor) also says it helps a lot of her patients. I also tend to order mine from Nature's best – a lot cheaper than from a pharmacy/chemist.

    mildred
    Full Member

    It is utter buncum. I used it with no benefit whatsoever.

    Following my blind acceptance that it will make my knees better, I seem to recall reading somewhere that when subject to robust scientific method the efficacy of glucosamine/Chondroitin pills was virtually identical with the placebo (not significant), leading to a suggestion that at best, the previously reported benefits were merely a placebo effect.

    slowoldgit
    Free Member

    I've taken it long-term, for knee cartilages wrecked by rock-climbing. Just one a day though, not the three it says on the packet, and with cod liver oil as well. The improvement happened slowly, two or three weeks, as did the reversal when I stopped taking it. That was when I went on holiday and somehow forgot it in the packing. Gradually my knees stiffened up, the drive home across France was tough. I've not repeated the mistake.

    For me it's helped back problems as well. YMMV. It has to be worth trying.

    cinnamon_girl
    Full Member

    I've been taking it for the last 15 years – glucosamine with chondroitin from http://www.Healthspan.co.uk

    Used to do a fair bit of running and it made a huge difference with recovery.

    Take 1500mg every day without fail. Over 50 here and no creaks whatsoever but then I don't take it for a specific problem.

    Reluctant
    Free Member

    I'm a believer too. In 2003/4 I could barely walk after riding ten miles on a bike. Now I don't even think about knee pain anymore. I used glucosomine and cod liver oil daily for several years, stopped using spds and admitedly, i ride less than i did – but my knees are almost as good as new.

    JollyGreenGiant
    Free Member

    My wife has early onset of osteo arthritus in her knee (aged 40).Consulatant says she will need a knee replacement at age 50 so has bee taking Glucosamine and choindroitin and has found that it has made a noiticeable difference and decreased inflammation and pain.

    golfcurry
    Free Member

    been taking this for over a year after suffering knee problems from running, no probs now i take the glucosamine with omega oil, buy it cheap from asda.

    Munqe-chick
    Free Member

    I haven't read the other threads however Mr MC takes them daily (large horse sized swallow and gag tablets). This is for a random clicky cartilage knackered thumb, he certainly notices the pain coming back when he DOESN'T take them, so he seems to think they assist. And to be honest Mr MC is the kind of bloke that normally wouldn't waste his time with lotions and potions! GIve it a go you can get them super cheap on line rather than say Holland and Barratt .

    uphilla
    Free Member

    Another vote for Healthspan – Glucosomine with Chondrotin and MSM – makes a big difference, knee pain I had a month or so back now gone…

    Surfr
    Free Member

    I just started taking them and fish oils after this thread of mine a week or so ago:
    http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/crunching-clicking-popping-aching-joints

    I ordered from zipvit and took advantage of their intro offer again for some cheap recovery and energy bars, a bottle and some pills.

    http://www.zipvit.com/cgi-bin/popupprod3a1.pl?cartnumber=1525c&currency=&prodcode=A30g

    and the cheap intro offer:

    http://www.zipvit.com/cgi-bin/popupprod3a1.pl?prodcode=A383&cartnumber=1525c&currency=Pounds%20Sterling

    Too early to say if they are having an effect but right now, the symptoms seem reduced at least. I bought a years supply to give it an honest go.

    srx600
    Free Member

    I use the liquid glucosamine/chondroitin from Healthspan. I used to have a lot of pain after kneeling/crouching this no longer the case. I still have knee problems so its not a cure as such, but I found it helps.

    Scienceofficer
    Free Member

    On the basis that most people have the beginnings of Osteo arthritis by their mid-late thirties, and being 36 I've started taking Glucosamine/chondroitin and cod liver oil as a precautionary measure, but also because I've got a compressed disc, damaged cartilage in one knee and generally clicky, creaky joints
    joints.

    I can't say its made a massive difference, but my joints don't click and I don't have aching knees – Even my back is a little improved, but thats probably more down to a recently embarked program of poncy looking core stability exercises that are bloody difficult!

    higgo
    Free Member

    The placebo effect is real.

    See the GAIT study, the largest Glucosamine/Chondroitin study to date: http://nccam.nih.gov/research/results/gait/qa.htm

    ~ 60% of those taking placebo reported a 20% reduction in pain.
    ~ no significant, statistical difference between placebo and either chondroitin, glucosamine or the two combined
    ~ celecoxib reduced pain more than placebo
    ~ a subset of participants did have improvement with combined Glucosamine and Chondroitin but as the subset was small the results are not valid without further confirmation.

    srx600
    Free Member

    As long as my knees feel beter I dont really care whether its a placebo effect or not.

    SurroundedByZulus
    Free Member

    Try snake oil.

    sweepy
    Free Member

    I had a headache last week, well I had a big mac for my tea, and next day the headache was gone. Try rubbing special sauce on your knee 🙂

    couldashouldawoulda
    Free Member

    I’ve used them for 2 years after a broken wrist and thumb. If I stop taking them my wrist gets achey inside a week / 10 days. So I go back to taking them. Anecdotal I know. BTW beer has the same effect for me – only there a slightly shorter effect 😉

    spindi
    Free Member

    I use them daily and my Dad uses them daily also. He had crippling pain in his legs after a quadruple bypass (they crack open the ribs and it messes with lots of stuff) and it really helped him. Highly recommended. I get mine from Healthy Direct or whoever they are now.

    scraprider
    Free Member

    to late mate , damage is already done,

    tony24
    Free Member

    Took them for 6 month’s all they gave me was constipation 😛

    i felt no different when i stopped taking them. i took them to try and cure an on going problem with my hips which i still have now. losing a little bit of weight and exercising more helped me the most…

    TheDoctor
    Free Member

    My Knee surgeon told me to take some daily, at least 1500 to 2000mg daily though! As stated above it wont do any harm but I think they help as I notice when I forget to take them for a few days.

    mav12
    Free Member

    helps my knee alot i stopped taking them and my knee kicked off again but co insided whth me not commuting on the bike the last 2 weeks, started taking them again and knee is a lot better

    i also take devils claw herbal anti inflamatry

    Andyhilton
    Free Member

    used to be prescribed on the nhs for osteoarthritis. No longer as no evidence, although some patients swear by it (from my gp wife)

    cinnamon_girl
    Full Member

    Been taking it for donkey’s years. Certainly helped with recovery wheh I was running anything up to 6 days a week.

    Use glucosamine with choindroitin, 1500mg per day, from Healthspan. Considering my age, I’m able to get out of bed without help and certainly don’t have any joint stiffness. 🙂

    dasilva
    Free Member

    I had knee pain on and off for ages, still get it when I run, took glucosamine, MSM, Chondriotin, cod liver oil etc. Didn’t make the blindest bit of difference.

    I was convinced my knees would just keep deteriorating and in the end I thought to hell with it – I’ll have the use of them while I’m still young and if they’re nailed when I’m older then so be it.

    Now I ride more than I ever have, train 5 days a week and ride/race lots of big mile enduros, stretch lots and my knees have never been better. On a similar note I finally took the time to properly stretch my hamstrings and back recently (like an hour of stretching, a 2hr ride and another hour stretching) and was amazed how fluid my pedalling style on the road bike had become this week. Feels dead smooth and easy.

    I’m not sure about the whole ‘well it can’t do any harm’ argument – I mean you could send me some cash and I’ll pray for your knees. I’m not religious like but it can’t hurt…

    bigjim
    Full Member

    Same story – started taking them after injury but looked at the actual evidence for any benefit, which is 50/50 at best for old fogies basically, and then found out what they are made from and stopped taking them straight away. Didn’t notice any difference on or aff them.

    The placebo effect of taking them might help you though, if you don’t mind burning cash. Cod liver oil might make more sense. Speak to your doc anyway, ibuprofen might help but isn’t a long term solution and can really mess up your stomach. Ibuprofen gel is a total waste of time and money according to my GP, I can’t imagine it would do much on a knee anyway with the bone in the way!

    Oh and google what they are made from…

    Twodogs
    Full Member

    There’s little evidence that it makes any difference…but there’s little evidence that it doesn’t either. When I looked into it recently there was a big study going on in the States (I think), which is a real double-blind trial etc, so might get some real evidence either way from that.
    After I had my shoulder op (which found the cartilage on the top of my arm was pretty much destroyed) I asked surgeon about it…he said it was a waste of money. On the other hand, he did confess to giving it to his dog and his wife was convinced it worked!

    mauja
    Free Member

    I sometimes use these if I’m doing lots of training/riding –

    High 5 Joint Protect

    It’s difficult to prove if they work or not but they seem to make a difference for me. They’re fairly expensive though as a pack only lasts a month so I don’t use them all the time. I do think they make more of a difference than regular glucosamine and/or cod liver oil tablets that I’ve tried from the supermarket.

Viewing 40 posts - 1 through 40 (of 44 total)

The topic ‘Glucosamine for knee pain ?’ is closed to new replies.