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anagallis_arvensis - Member
no point me carrying on the discussion I'd just get abusive.
No need to get abusive.
Just point out to the daft racist plonker the complete and utter absurdity of suggesting that as an alternative, to vote for the two most corrupt, dishonest, and criminal, parties in British politics.
No party offers the British people more convicted criminals as candidates, than BNP.
Here are some of the most recent cases where BNP members have been convicted :
UKIP the 'posh' racists, or 'BNP with blazers' if you will, are now down to just 9 MEPs.
In the case of Ashley Mote UKIP MEP for South East England, he was convicted and jailed on 21 counts of fraud.
UKIP MEP is jailed for benefit fraud
Tom Wise UKIP MEP for the East of England, he was charged last month with false accounting and money laundering after an investigation into claims that they misused thousands of pounds of expenses.
UKIP MEP Tom Wise charged with fiddling accounts and money laundering
Those two organisations of nasty, corrupt, lying racists, which Oxboy is so keen to support, make politicians of the main parties seem like complete amateurs and, positively saintly, in comparison.
But tell me Oxboy, do you extend that call to vote BNP to all users of this forum - including black and asian ones ?
Your answer would be interesting as it would suggest how close you are to the BNP. Because the 'official' BNP line is that they are of course not racist. Far from it - in fact, it is them who are the 'victims of racism'. In the same way as the German Nazis claimed that they were the 'victims of Judaism'.
The BNP extend this breathtakingly absurd logic to democracy. The most fundamentally anti-democratic party in Britain today, constantly whinges on a daily basis that it is denied it's democratic rights - it is indeed the 'victim of anti-democratic actions'.
Still, conspirational paranoia is nothing new when it comes to fascists and racists - it must surely be after all, some form of mental illness ...
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I can't stand the BNP, that was an awful call from Oxboy.
But I am considering voting UKIP for the European Elections only.
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..."the most fundamentally anti-democratic party in Britain today"... I thought that was Nu Labour. :0)
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We do need a shake-up in British politics, so that people feel re-connected with the political process and don't feel the need to go BNP as a 'protest' vote.
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I was actually considering going Green myself... pretty sure they give a damn about the country. Indeed - they give a damn about the whole planet, which has to be even better
I may go Lib Dem even - used to vote SNP but moved south of the border!I will drive nails through my eyeballs long before I vote BNP or UKIP thanks.
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SamThomas - Member
I can't stand the BNP, that was an awful call from Oxboy.
But I am considering voting UKIP for the European Elections only.
Eh? Whilst praps not quite as bad as the BNP, they are still a pretty dodgy bunch of right-wingers, who would drag this country backwards, socially and culturally. Robert Kilroy Silk, anyone?
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Lib-Dems here as the candidate will probably be a friend of a friend. Greens as a an outside bet.
I will never vote fascist/racist the last bastion of the ill-informed.Posted 3 years ago # -
where is the screaming lord when you need him ?
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A BNP leaflet came through our door the other day. Apparently we need to vote for them to stop the flood of 80 million muslim turks. The population of Turkey is 72 million.
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They're not all utterly corrupt, our Lib Dem MP, David Howarth, commutes to London by train from Cambridge and claimed nothing for a 2nd home, as he doesn't have one - just claimed for rail fares.
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just claimed for rail fares
i pay for my own commute to work.
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SamThomas - Member
I can't stand the BNP, that was an awful call from Oxboy.
But I am considering voting UKIP for the European Elections only.
Eh? Whilst praps not quite as bad as the BNP, they are still a pretty dodgy bunch of right-wingers, who would drag this country backwards, socially and culturally. Robert Kilroy Silk, anyone?
Sorry,
To make it clearer.
I generally dislike UKIP, but I also hate the EU. And they are the only party who will get us out of the EU, hence voting for them for the European elections. Note, only the european elections.
I am quite a fan of the green party otherwise.
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Pieface - if you're going to start ridiculing the BNP and what their dipstick members say, then this thread will run and run.
I'll throw this contribution in anyway ......
'British pensioners' on BNP election leaflet are actually Italian models
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True. Maybe I should have said, only big party.
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Oh dear, I think you people are under the impression that we live in a democratic society.
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You may say it was a bad call by me and I must be a 'care in the community case' or have a 'mental illness', but voting Green wont ever worry the main stream parties. They would laugh that one off. To be honest who wouldnt? Voting far right will thats their worst fear!
If anything will make them put their houses in order that will.
Ah well back to my padded cell.
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Dear God. I thought he'd crawled back under his stone...
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Let's just keep voting for either head of the phallus, just to keep the other out. How traditionally servile. You Brits know your place.
Or maybe vote for somebody else.
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who would drag this country backwards, socially and culturally.
?And I suppose it's taken for granted amongst some folks here and the pro-globalisation types that "new arrivals" do the opposite?
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Go to bed; you're obviously tired, and this is all a bit too much for you.
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Ooooh, stuck for a response? again?
Nice to know that "rudeboy" is pro globalisation. What would your brethren back home think?
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Sorry, you've lost me there. I have no idea what you're talking about.
I suspect neither do you, really.
But feel free to blether away; I may have a read in the morning, if I feel like a laugh.
Nighty night!
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Have you gone to bed?
Are you tired?
Is this too much for you?
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Sorry, you've lost me there. I have no idea what you're talking about.
Unsurprisingly.
I suspect neither do you, really.
A "rudeboy" ad hominem response. I've noticed he does this frequently. Play the ball sweetie, play the ball...
But feel free to blether away; I may have a read in the morning, if I feel like a laugh.
Hmmm, thank you. Here, have some Dopamine. Considering your documented fear of "early rising" and "life style" presence on this mountainbike forum, it suggests you may have little else to do today. Have a laugh on me.
Nighty night!
It's mid morning here, but you weren't to know that. Outside of your specula etc...
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just claimed for rail fares
i pay for my own commute to work.
To be fair, MPs are supposed to have two "work sites": Westminster and their home constituency office. I think it's fair that he claims for travel from home to one of those offices (but not both simultaneously). I think that would be the practice in most private companies.I also would say that I don't mind if non-Home Counties MPs rent a 1-bedroom apt in Zone 1/2 at market rates. Again, most private companies that needed their employees at a remote location for an extended period would do the same thing. There are hundreds of serviced/executive apartment companies in London filled with businesspeople. But this whole "live with my parents, pay rent to my sister, dredge my moat" bullsh1t is just taking the pish.
"...quite apart from money spent by tourists who come here because we have a Monarchy. FWIW, several years ago I read somewhere that the cost to the German people for running a Federal system was at least twice what our Monarchy costs us."
This makes no sense whatsoever.
1) People don't visit the UK because it has a monarchy today. Some of them come to gawp at the old castles, absolutely true. But if the monarchy were abolished, they would still come. People still visit Versailles, the Kremlin, the Taj Mahal, Neuschwanstein Castle and whatever the castle in Prague is called even though their royal families have been shot/dissolved/expropriated/whatever.
In fact, if the monarchy were abolished, the tourists would be able to wander around more of the palaces because the dole scum would have been evicted.
2) The German Federal government has actual, operational/executive responsibility for external relations, federal law, enviromental regulation, standards etc for a population of 82 million people. The cost of the monarchy just has to manage the affairs of a small number of people in the household. If what you say is accurate, then the fact that they need half the German federal budget to do it is a searing indictment of their ineptitude and inefficiency.
In practice I think your figure just doesn't make sense or is missing some vital information. Perhaps you can dig up the relevant info.
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I had to google what specula are. I wish I hadn't bothered!
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So are we are agreed, all main political parties suck and we need electoral reform?
So what's your party going to be called and what's your manifesto? (keep it brief pls).
Mine would be along the lines of a commercially focused but socially responsible party. Focused on aiding enterprise at all levels, not giving freeloaders a comfortable ride, but rewarding industry. No extra special treatment for any one group - we are all the same aren't we? A Meritocracy run by a toff free bunch of normal people! Local councils that treat people like customers instead of cash cows. Encouraging all people to focus on personal responsibility, especially regarding finances. We ought to be living within out means. Having a little consideration for the effects our own actions might have on others.
And I could bang on for pages and pages about what I might do. Less of my ideas, what about yours?
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1.) People don't visit the UK because it has a monarchy today
Ummm, actually thats not true IMHO, in a totally unscientific sample of people I've met from Canada, Caribbean, NZ and other commonwealth countries, a lot of people from the ex colonies want to come over here to see the Queen as they are proud of their/our Royal Family.
The Queens birthday is a public holiday in most of the commonwealth, FFS most UK citizens don't even know when it is!
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Oxboy ... you've obviously read my post, but you haven't answered my question - why not ?
It was a very simple and straightforward question. And you're clearly keen to give advise on how people on this forum should vote.
So I'll ask the question again.
Are you calling on just British born white forum users to vote BNP, or are you saying that black and asian forum users should also vote BNP ?
Please answer the question ....... I think you should.
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If it weren't for their completely cloud cuckoo, away with the fairies 'defence policies' I'd probably vote Green.
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uh?
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A multi-cultural society benefits our nation in many ways. I supposrt it fully. What is not good is letting anyone come and live here without knowing if they can contribute, whether they qualify to live here. Britain should not be a free for all! The BNP is morally broke and harbour too many knuckle heads who display the ugliest tendencies. They are just wrong! Parties like these make it impossible to rationally debate immigration without being immediately branded as a bigot and a racist. So we end up in a right old mess and still nobody can open their mouths to suggest a solution without being shot down for being,,, racist.
I suspect that is why the main parties avoid the subject like the plague.
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