I think some of you guys are mixing up healthy with home cooked.
Home cooked is generally tastier, but not necessarily healthier.
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Fat Kids - whose fault?
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I was told a few years ago that you can train your metabolism, so if you eat small and often your body will grow to know it will be getting food in a bit so can burn off the energy it has just consumed, eat lots two or three times a day and it will store energy as it does not know when it will be eating next, don't know if this is true or not?
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Then you're eating too much for your expenditure - cut back
Believe me, I don't overeat cos I don't have an appetite!
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Home cooked is generally tastier, but not necessarily healthier.
thats actually a very good point, I make a butternut squash risotto which is lush, but it's definitely not healthy!
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Believe me, I don't overeat cos I don't have an appetite!
You do, 'cos you've gained weight
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Its just piffle to suggest that you cannot eat healthily because you don't have the time. Its about priorities. If you make cooking and eating well a priority you can have the time.
Well, I know from the experience of raising a family that it's harder to achieve, so I've nothing left to add.
As for proprities - make a quick meal that may be unhealthier in order to have the time to take your kids to footy training, or eat healthily and miss the exercise, you tell me which you should prioritise.
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Now you are saying its harder to achieve
I don't deny that. Howevr its no excuse for filling your kids full of unhealthy rubbish.To your conundrum the answer is both. Beans on toast? healthy quick filling. Or you make a quick healthy meal. Get something preprepared (by you) out of the freezer and reheat it
Thats what we did when I were a kid. I went to after school activities at least once a week, played sport on a Saturday, went out two evenings a week and my sister did the same, Both my parents went to various clubs / activities in an evening. we still sat down to a home cooked meal every day
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As for proprities - make a quick meal that may be unhealthier in order to have the time to take your kids to footy training, or eat healthily and miss the exercise, you tell me which you should prioritise.
Or, make a quick and healthy meal?
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Beans - healthy?
Well the beans are, all the sugar and salt in the sauce isn't...
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Depends on the beans
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Unless the kid has a medical/physcological condition that's turned him into a porker, then it's his parents fault.
No one elses.
If you don't have a medical condition, the only barrier to a healthy waistline is your own willpower/laziness.
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Depends on the beans
they only sell happy shopper beans in the local PO I haven't got time to get to Asda for some healthy ones
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mastiles_fanylion - Member
Beans - healthy?
Well the beans are, all the sugar and salt in the sauce isn't...
carbs and trans fats are the enemy, not sugar.
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When I was little, I used to put sugar on Frosties and Crunchy Nut Cornflakes.
Those were the days!
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For reference:
We have two kids (5 and 7).
Both of us work (me full-time and wife almost full-time but on often unpredictable hours).
We have two dogs to walk.
The next weekday evening where one or more of us isn't involved in some meeting or activity or something is in 3 weeks or so and I'll probably have work to do that evening.
Kids have packed lunches, so they are made on an evening in addition to making our tea.Posted 1 year ago # -
All of this squabbling also misses the point that better education and tighter regulation of the food industry would result in healthier children.
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Although the calories in calories out explains quite reasonably the method that weight is gained or lost. It does nothing to explain why people are eating too much in the first place.
In my very limited understanding your long term hunger levels are controlled significantly by leptin. leptin levels don't directly tell you how full you are, well they do partly but not to the same extent as other hormones such as ghrelin do. Leptin does appear to be a chemical that indicates to an animal how much fat an animal is carrying. Stored fat generate low leptin values and indicates to the brain that it's beginning to starve and needs to start stocking up seriously on fat. There is increasing evidence/speculation that certain food types - specifically wheat and vegetable oils suppress or block the leptin receptor function, so although your body is producing plenty of leptin, the message isn't getting through to the receptors properly and as a consequence your body thinks it's carrying far less fat than it is, and is thus happy to eat far more than it needs.
The rise in vegetable oil consumption has been huge over the last half of the 20th century. I'm so sure that this true of wheat, through plenty of people would claim this to be so.Anyway, the point I'm making is the "obesity is just calories in calories out and that people just being weak-willed" argument is an over simplification. The human body has some highly evolved survival instincts, and if it thinks it's starving it can quite easily overcome will-power.
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TandemJeremy - Member
Its the advertising industry, supermarkets and fast food places to blame
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so batch cooking is waste, nothing tastes the same once frozen and defrosted
Drivel. Curry gets better left in the fridge for a day or two! (Yes, Mrs PP makes curry too...) And the pies? You'd never, ever notice the difference. Same with my meat.
I buy a load of chops, steaks, chicken, sausages, portion it up and freeze. I go to the butchers on my way home from work. This takes less time than getting a take away, but more planning. Mrs PP buys free range chickens and other stuff on offer for us on her way home from work, from the Co-Op. She goes in most days and has a quick look. Takes 2 mins more on her walk home. Again, good value.... But you have to THINK and PLAN, which is what we do: What do we want to eat this week? What are we short of? Make a list, go shopping. Take note of who does what offers and when. Somtimes cook in bulk and freeze. Think. Plan. Eat nice food.
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I read somewhere that the human mind has evolved to covet fatty foods.
Presumably this is a defense mechanism developed a when we were evolving to counteract the long period of time between meals, or a defense against cold temperatures.
I can't remember where I read or heard it, so I have no evidence to back that up...perhaps I dreamt it.
So again...I blame
the PopeDarwin.Posted 1 year ago # -
Perhaps the government should concentrate on developing human cloning and create thousands of Jamie Olivers.
So I also blame the government, Jamie Oliver and Molly the sheep for not being a chef.
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The human body has some highly evolved survival instincts, and if it thinks it's starving it can quite easily overcome will-power.
We evolved during scarcity, so we're wired to eat when we can.
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Indeed we crave fat, salt and sugar as an evolutionary hangover from when food was hard to find and chewing a few roots did not get you very far. The packeaged food folk and fast food folk use this to get us to eat their foods. its known as loading and if you can double load even better.
It makes this sort of food almost addictive.
Its no coincidence that the tighter regulated food industry is the less obesity there is - compare us and the americans to the dutch or french
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Isn't the calories in vs calories out over simplifying things. Surely the type of exercise you do will have an effect on whether you lose fat or muscle. Maybe people who think it's that simple, do exercise (an inappropriate exercise after listening to bad advice) and don't lose fat then return to their facefilling lifestyle as exercise doesn't work.
You can't just say calories in/out, it needs more explanation.Posted 1 year ago # -
I think that having the correct balance of calories in and calories out implies that you will be employing an appropriate method of both, i.e. eating the right foods and doing the right exercise.
Perhaps there needs to be more effort to educate families on how to create this balance.
On a bike forum there might be a good percentage of people who have a reasonable understanding of exercise and diet. But the average family might not understand this concept...although my Mum seemed to know what I should or shouldn't be eating.
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From a R4 article I listened to recently the overall conclusion IIRC was that exercise in children has almost no bearing on their weight, it all comes down to the amount of calories being consumed. I suppose this applies to adults too.
I think there was an example of one of the previosuly inactive and now active kids in the experiment gaining weight; sounds counter intuitive but the argument was compelling, maybe something to do with an increased appetite due to activity, muscle mass etc.
One has to exercise pretty rigorously in order to burn off a significant number of calories.
You need a quite large number of calories to merely exist, and a growing child has to, well, grow.
So, who's to blame? IMO it's a combo of a lack of parental guidance or example, possibly some genetic or health influence(s), and the food companies that market their sometimes poor quality, hi-cal foods to kids and parents.
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increase in fat kids, increase in "plus sized models"....
coincidence?
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My wife's aunt constantly buys these kind of drinks for her grandchildren..
One of the children ended up needing a couple of teeth removed at 5 years old.
Her father asked the aunt to stop giving them the drinks as drinking too much fruit juice is rotting their teeth...she claimed that it had nothing to do with it and fruit juice is good for you. Which although it is...will rot your teeth if taken in excess.
Some people just don't understand the concept of healthly food and what is or isn't good for you. There needs to be a combination of responsible marketing from food manufacturers and education from government funded organisations.
Everyone knows this, including the manufacturers and the government, and there has been some progress...just not enough.
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Apparently the concentrated 'fresh' orange that you can buy has more sugar in it than coke!
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so batch cooking is waste, nothing tastes the same once frozen and defrosted
Drivel indeed.
Im currently slow cooking
13 portions of beef, kidney and winter veg stew
6 portions of lamb neck and pearl barley stewand in a second Ill be off back to the stove to make
9 portions of sausage, mushroom & cider and mixed beans casserole
8 portions of Chilli
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8 portions bolognese.All the ingredients of which cost about £60 this morning.
so £1.25 per portion target hit as discussed in yesterday's "how much on a weekly shop" thread.As for fat kids, I think much of it is down to the lost art of home cooking - understanding quality of ingredients, seasonality and simplicity in recipes. I was lucky enough to have been taught by my parents, they by there's and I will pass it on.
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Can't be arsed reading all that so here is my retort to this point:
..a lot of the time they just can't afford higher quality healthier food, ...you'll plainly see how much more it costs too eat healthily and therefore how unaffordable it is for those on low incomes.
This gets wheeled out all the time, but it's only really true if you are comparing value ready-meals to "healthy" ready-meals. If you look at snacks etc it is often cheaper to go for the healthier option.
Mars Bar - 59p
Twix - 49p
Monster Munch (Pickled Onion) - 46p
Total: £1.54Cox Apple - 24p
Banana - 16p
Large Orange - 45p
Total: £0.85(Source: prices I just looked up on tesco.com)
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I blame the parents or the adults. Simple!
Or their grandparents for not being able to bring up their parents properly.
There is no excuse at all ...
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CG - sorry to hear you have a thyroid problem. I was diagnosed in my 20s after several years of related health problems. The replies along the lines of 'you have just eaten too many calories' just demonstrate a lack of understanding of the condition.
When I was diagnosed I wasn't over weight, I was fit and biking off road 4 or 5 days a week (both days at the weekend and Tuesday, Wednesday and often Friday night rides). I had found that to manage my weight I had to stick to no more than 1200 calories per day on average. Unless you have some experience of this, it is difficult to understand how challenging that is. The responses above would suggest that a diet of 1500 calories a day was 'me just eating too much' and is simplistic and unhelpful. It took over 2 years of a good hormone level in my bloods for some of the clinical symptoms to go away too.
In the years since then I have found that I can manage my weight ok as long as I am exercising. If I can't exercise then my weight creeps up. Even a well managed thyroid problem means that it is very easy to gain a bit of weight but the natural process that most people do of balancing it out by being good for a bit does not take the weight back off without extra effort through exercise. This means that people with a thyroid condition have a tougher time staying slim. It certainly isn't impossible but it is harder. Unfortunately as you get older you tend to have longer bouts of no exercise and I have a great deal of sympathy for those with other health problems which restrict their activity levels. Unless you have tried to manage your weight purely by diet,without the benefit of exercise, it is difficult to understand how hard it is.
Having said all this, the research I have read suggests that a person with a thyroid condition can be around 10lbs/1 stone heavier as a direct result of the condition. Larger amounts of weight are more related to the cycle above than directly to the condition itself so people can not really blame it on their glands!
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GrahamS I agree 100%, Example meal: beans, baked potato & lettece & tomato less than £1 per head. I grew up poor (for this country) & my parents never failed to provide healthy balanced meals.
Another pet hate is parents saying 'you try getting a kid to eat an apple/orange/banana'
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The dog we adopted last spring was overweight when we got her. She's not now. Was it the dog's fault or her previous owners?
When we adopted her, we were told to take her back in a month or two for a blodd test to check her thyroid. The vet took one look when we walked through the door and said it wasn't needed.
She's a lab, so therefore prone to weight gain.
Exercise and portion control...
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