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sorry kit - I forgot "don't feed the trolls"
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So we're both ignorant and stupid now, TJ. Time for bed I think.
The thermometer on my wall reads 19.2°C; the heat from three people, the TV and a computer has raised it by 0.2°C on a cold, star-lit evening. It'l still be nice and warm in the morning. Think about that as you get out of bed in your freezing attic, or do you leave the heating on greenhousing the planet all night?
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In case anyone reading this is still interested in actual thread topic, this opinion piece is interesting:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/oct/20/carbon-capture-uk-european-funding
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In case anyone reading this is still interested in actual thread topic, this opinion piece is interesting:
I'm sorry that you don't think that indivuals taking responsinbility for reducing their own consumption is important. But hey, each to their own.Posted 7 months ago # -
Don - which is why I live a lower carbon lifestyle than many and why I have insulate my house as much as possible.
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Jeez TJ and Edukator. I thought all you eco-warriors were on the same side.
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DenDennis - That diagram is pretty meaningless as far as I can see by itself, maybe it might makes some sense in the context of its accompanying chapter. I don't understand why its crossed out eg shallow offshore wind with the line 'not near my birds' when offshore windfarms are being built having gone through the planning process where impacts on birds would have been assessed in EIA.
I had a quick look at the link and the first chapter I looked at on offshore wind was a bit alarmingly written:
Conven-
tional wisdom seems to be that shallow offshore wind (depth less than 25–
30 m), while roughly twice as costly as land-based wind, is economically
feasible, given modest subsidy; and deep offshore wind is at present not
economically feasible. As of 2008, there’s just one deep offshore windfarm
in UK waters, an experimental prototype sending all its electricity to a
nearby oilrig called Beatrice.Starting a paragraph with the phrase "Conven-
tional wisdom seems to be" is a bit worrying and I would suggest a lot of the technical aspects of that chapter are looking a bit dated already when you look at the depths of Round 3 zones and projects like Hywind II.I've not read the rest but based on that I would bear in mind that it might be a bit dated already.
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I'm sorry that you don't think that indivuals taking responsinbility for reducing their own consumption is important. But hey, each to their own.
If you say so.
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In other 'edge of the seat as it happens' related insulation and efficiency news, the wife n me bought 7 rolls of wool for the loft and the FIL fixed a buggered hallway window that was draughty and noisy to boot.
As you were Eco Soldiers.
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Chapeau for Don Dimon on this thread.
TJ, as per usual, ignores the evidence that doesn't suit his argument and resorts to insulting the intelligence of those that disagree with him.
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wwaswas - what evidence that does not suit my argument?
The kept trying to tell me I could do stuff that is specifically excluded because of their ignorance of my position.
Don Simon and Edukator - neither of them live in the UK. Neither of them know my building, neither of them have had any experience of dealing with historic Scotland.
I have specifically asked historic Scotland about replacing windows and the only acceptable replacements for my flat are wooden sash and case windows that are replicas of the original which completly precludes the use of triple glazing.
The two of them arrogantly assumed they could point out where I could do more and then could not accept that I know more about what is possible in my building than they do.
I have fitted as much insulation as is possible within the constraints of the listed building in a conservation area.
They were both extremely offensive towards me if you read the thread.Posted 7 months ago # -
Don Simon and Edukator - neither of them live in the UK. Neither of them know my building, neither of them have had any experience of dealing with historic Scotland.
*Waves from Shropshire*They were both extremely offensive towards me if you read the thread.
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wwaswas - what evidence that does not suit my argument?
A link to about 8 different suppliers of 'approved' double glazing where you insisted there was only one?
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wwaswas -
Thats because there is only the one manufacturer who makes the type of DG units that can be fitted into the type of windows I have to have fitted.Posted 7 months ago # -
Who is this mysterious manufacturer? And what are the specifications of the DG units?
Bearing in mind I've already linked to 9 manufacturers on a Historic Scotland document.Posted 7 months ago # -
that can be fitted into the type of windows I have fitted
well you would say that, wouldn't you.
on the other hand;
You've clearly done a lot to insulate where you feel it's possible.
But to be so absolutist about stuff is just asking for people to come along and say 'but what about 'x' or 'y'?'
It may be that there is no more to be done but your approach to being quizzed tends to lead people to believe that you've got the blinkers on and believe that chez TJ is incapable of further improvement and that your mind is not going to be swayed by discussion - you'll subsequently just defend the position you currently have until everyone gets bored and moves on.
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wwaswas
They came on and told me I could do more without knowing what I had done, when asked for specifics told me I could do things that are not allowed or possible and then got very offensive towards me. They did not ask what I had done nor sugest things I could do - they told me I could do things that re specifically excluded and / or not possible due to the construction - then got all offensive when told it was not possible
In the 20 years I have been here I have done my best. For two people who do not know the building and do not understand the regulatory environment to tell me that I can do more and accuse my of lying and hypocrisy is a bit much.
Just ask yourself - who is likely to know more about what is possible in a specific building? the person who has lived there for 20 years and have discussed improvements with the rregulators of two people who have never even seen the building?
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I'm not saying you're wrong TJ, just that your somewhat, errmm, forthright way of dealign with what were, initially at least, fairly reasonable questions and comments tends to lead to lead to escalation.
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wwaswas - "fairly reasonable questions and comments" this was their opening sallies
Edukator - Member
What TJ does know is that for an attic flat which if properly insulated would be heated by the people living below his energy bills are embarrassing and would demonstrate just how hypocritical he is on this thread - moaning about others not doing anything to cut their carbon emissions when his own home is greenhousing the planet.
don simon - Member
"My attic is as well insulated as possible -"
I wager it's not.
I'd put good money on your windows only having a u value of about 1,5W/m2ºC and don't take full advantage of solar gain... And your walls not being 0,35W/m2ºC... And your roof....Jumping straight in to the attack with a load of wrong assumptions.
No one lives below me. I have as much insulation fitted as possible, I have fitted the best windows I can. Because they do not know either my building or the regulatory environment....................
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Jumping straight in to the attack with a load of wrong assumptions.
Where's the attack?
And I think you'll find that in reading this document,
http://www.historic-scotland.gov.uk/slim-profile_double_glazing_2010.pdf
you'll find the double glazing u values range from 1,1-2,8 w/m2ºC, so hardly a "wrong assumption" either.
Focus on what people are saying and not who is saying it.Posted 7 months ago # -
TJ - step away now, seriously...
I'm pretty sure that your two main tormentors are having a good giggle at you with this thread since I'm fairly sure their aim is simply to turn your 'show me proof' stance on every other thread back at you.
FWIW, despite my reckoning that you're probably right about the potential for any (practical/realistic) further improvements to your home wrt to this discussion, reading your responses to Don and Edukator does not show you in a good light IMO. You are rude and insulting where there's no real reason to be. I'd suggest that considering the way you deal with other people, you should have thicker skin to deal with the apparent slights headed your way.
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clubber - Member
[quote]TJ - step away now, seriously...
I'm pretty sure that your two main tormentors are having a good giggle at you with this thread since I'm fairly sure their aim is simply to turn your 'show me proof' stance on every other thread back at you.
I am sure your right - I only replied to wwaswas - those two are now on my killfile so I don't have to see any more posts from them.
FWIW, despite my reckoning that you're probably right about the potential for any further home improvement wrt to this discussion, reading your responses to Don and Edukator does not show you in a good light IMO. You are rude and insulting where there's no real reason to be.
Only in reply to insults from them - questioning my integrity, calling me a liar and a hypocrite.Teh insults came from them first
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don - you don't know what you are talking about.
Only in reply to insults from them - questioning my integrity, calling me a liar and a hypocrite.
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I think Iwas really trying to say what clubber said, perhaps just less succinctly.
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That's kind of my point though TJ - you read some comments as insults which as an independent observer I don't believe are or were directly intended to be.
This for example
don simon - Member
"My attic is as well insulated as possible -"
I wager it's not.
I'd put good money on your windows only having a u value of about 1,5W/m2ºC and don't take full advantage of solar gain... And your walls not being 0,35W/m2ºC... And your roof....It's not an unreasonable comment in itself. Most people I reckon could have replied "you might think so but I've checked it all out and spent a fortune on it and can't find anything else to do. If you know something I've missed, please let me know" rather than take is as a grave insult.
And I'd also consider that it was a hook to get you into a position where you're unable to provide 'proof' to your own standards on other threads which might be something to think about too. Not being able to provide a link to proof is not the same as saying that something isn't correct.
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Oh aye - I was stupid to bite on the hook and thats clearly what it was.
Its pretty offensive to be told I am wrong and hypocritical about something where they know nothing about the situation.
But the insults were intended to reel me in and I fell for it
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ps I've just added a "TJ goes into orbit " tag as I thought it was appropriate here
Seriously, take a step back and wonder why it's always you.
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was the one I quoted REALLY an insult? To call you to task considering your stance which comes across as an absolute isn't unreasonable is it?
Saying that someone may be wrong isn't an insult in itself - you should hope not as it seems to be a common accusation you make. Hypocritical is maybe more insulting but then you often talk in absolutes which basically makes a hypocrite of almost everyone in some way so I'd take that as more a comment on that than a direct insult...
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Saying that someone may be wrong isn't an insult in itself - you should hope not as it seems to be a common accusation you make. Hypocritical is maybe more insulting but then you often talk in absolutes which basically makes a hypocrite of almost everyone in some way so I'd take that as more a comment on that than a direct insult...
Take a step back clubber, we'd hate to lose you.
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Don't look him in the eyes, Clubber! Back away.
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TJ's going to wonder what that's in response to because of the killfile...
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Clubber - you recognised that they were deliberately trolling me.
Yes it was offensive - deliberately intended to be so - you need to read the posts before it to get the context.
I say - I have done everything possible I can to be told that I haven't by someone who does not have the knowledge or understanding to know this.
~Enough.
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Guess I'm not getting through. I did read the whole thread (God help me) FWIW.
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someone who does not have the knowledge or understanding to know this.
I'd say they had the knowledge, but perhaps not the understanding. Or are you aware of their professional competencies?
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