So, while I am by no means poorly paid compared with the average person, I'm falling behind a fair bit in my profession.
I have an idea of what I'd like.
So, do you reckon:
*pitch in for that, but accept I'll get knocked back some/all
*pitch in for more, knowing I'll get knocked back some/all
*pitch in lower and fight harder for it?
Tough one, as the option to go elsewhere (which is what I'd normally consider for more money) isn't quite there yet.
In my experience I only ever got pay rises from my current employer when I had been offered another job elsewhere. Unless your employer is an enlightened type then you should consider applying for other jobs to increase your leverage.
Reduce your output to match the remuneration you recieve? When questioned why you're being a slacker you have the perfect conversation starter as to the manner of management support that would develop your output and efficiency.
Maybe not... 
or
What the hell. Just pressed the button and pitched in for what I want. Don't ask, don't get.
Probably lost my job now... 
Payrise?
Private sector nae doot Drac
Well, you are already in the weaker position by being the first to say a number.
I would have advised asking for a pay rise and let them offer first.
If you say a number first in any negotiation, then they agree, you will forever wish you had asked for more...
I wouldn't fancy playing poker against you Hels.
Well, you are already in the weaker position by being the first to say a number.
Of course. But since that's how the discussion a couple of weeks ago went.
Anyway, asking for another 25% isn't that unreasonable, is it?
Playing poker with boys requires a whole different set of techniques Binners.
Playing poker with boys requires a whole different set of techniques Binners.
Apparently opening their wallets and walking off..!
I'm a Kiwi, not an Aussie, sheesh.
I'm a Kiwi, not an Aussie, sheesh.
So where do the sheep keep their wallets..?
actually, don't answer that...
(Anyway, no surprise - zero acknowledgement of my email. So that's that then..!)
Too late now but I'd always do this kind of thing face to face to get an idea of your chances from their initial response and also make them a little uncomfortable. Emails are too easy to ignore.
A Scotsman should know exactly where a sheep keeps it's wallet.
Too late now but I'd always do this kind of thing face to face to get an idea of your chances from their initial response and also make them a little uncomfortable. Emails are too easy to ignore.
I asked face to face. He wanted an email - mainly because he has no idea how much I earn now, let alone what would be reasonable to pay me.
Agree that there are better ways to do this. But we work with what we've got.
Oh, and he's notorious for ignoring emails, so I'll speak t him about it on Monday.
You did it by email?! I had visions of doors being kicked off hinges!
You've let me down! You've let yourself down! I suggest you have a think about what it is you've done, young man
You did it by email?! I had visions of doors being kicked off hinges!
I'm starting to think the supportive side of STW has got the decorators in today....
Reasearch your industry average, add 10% to account for your experience and to equal recruitment costs that it would take to employee another you, then add 10k more.
Before you do that informally converse about how you'd like'd to have earned <insert stupid salary here> before reaching your age.
There are some research figures that those who discuss an outlandish amount immediately before asking for the actual pay rise recieve more, becuase you psychlogically set a large expectancy with the conversation you had, and what you actually asked for is (psychlogically) a pittance in comparison to that number.
Or something like that.
Its a good theory. Zoe Williams described a similar approach by the tories on policy making
They present something jaw-dropping, encounter a wave of disgust, then row back from the brink of awfulness by 30% (George Osborne probably has a little rowing-backwards calculator, which multiplies the strength of the public backlash by the amount he doesn't care). We all throw back our heads in relief, yelling a lusty "Thank goodness! You only have to work two days a week when you have terminal cancer, and not five!"
You should always pitch your number first, that anchors any negotiation around your number, there is academic reserach to back this up, all you have excluded is a nice surprise offer which are sufficiently rare that they can be ignored.
I should add for completeness, if Bill Gates had followed this advice, he would have not his present riches, however you need an exception to prove the rule!
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