Would you accept £10 to be silenced? (classifieds feedback).

lordy me !

it’s a simple mis understanding in the use of descriptive terminology

very very good condition, don’t think they have any marks or real signs of wear on them anywhere

this, coupled with the pics of the actual brakes should allow us to work out who misunderstood what
(am I too late for a biscuit?)

Whats the point of posting a picture of someone else’s brake set up ???

If Im selling something and haven’t got round to taking my own pics I will normally post a link to the item being sold at a shop like crc et al as it gives the prospective buyer an idea on what they should be like and also an idea on the price new.

get some pics up and then im sure the stw pitchforks will well and truly be out.

poor skills in my opinion !!

oops .. I forgot about that other bit.

First impressions innit

Get taken in by the 1st phrase or two and the big shiny pictures

Point proven like

Only just seen this. Haven’t read the OP, or any of the replies.

Yes, I was the seller.

I sold the brakes for what I thought I could get for them. I described them accurately to my knowledge. I did not intentionally lie. I’ve sold and bought plenty of things on STW, and never had any complaints or issues.

I was communicating with the buyer at the time this thread was posted, and had made him an even higher partial refund offer, but never got a reply (unless you count this thread).

The actual marks the buyer is complaining about are nearly non-existent IMO. The only complaint of his that had any grounds was a bit of scratching to the underside of a calliper, which is why I offered the partial refund, as I missed it, and that is entirely my fault. I think what happened was he agreed to purchase them, paid for them, received them, then saw a better deal elsewhere so went over them with a magnifying glass trying to find a reason to demand a refund. I still would describe the brakes as being in very good condition.

That is why I decided not to issue a refund.

I’m not going to bother staying on this thread, I just thought it deserved a reply, and I think I deserved a chance to defend myself. Two sides to every story and that.

WE NEED PICS SO WE KNOW WHO TO LYNCH!

(realman – I preferred the original ending to your post 🙂 )

Why did you edit out this bit…..?

RealMan – Member
I think what happened was he agreed to purchase them, paid for them, received them, then saw a better deal elsewhere so went over them with a magnifying glass trying to find a reason to demand a refund.

I know the buyer and have ridden with him quite a few times. A more straight-up guy you’ll never meet. However, your rather dodgy sales practices mark you down as something else.

Haven’t read the OP, or any of the replies.

Might be worth a look 😉

Well we can all draw our own conclusions when the photos are posted up can’t we?

Ok, fine, had a quick scan of the thread.

Yes, maybe the way I said “these pics aren’t mine” or whatever, was slightly vague, although surely it’s obvious what I meant.

Had plenty of other people who asked for pictures and got them, and I was emailing quite a few people at the time, so I think I just got confused and thought the buyer had already seen pictures of them.

But as quite a few of you say, if the brakes are actually battered to pieces then I’m in the wrong, if they’re not, the buyer is in the wrong. So I think my description is fairly irrelevant, just a side note, and I will make sure I’m crystal clear from now on.

That is, if the buyer hasn’t destroyed my reputation completely with this thread.

If you think the brakes are really worth what you sold them for, offer a full refund and sell them again – but this time with actual photos?

RealMan – Member
That is, if the buyer hasn’t destroyed my reputation completely with this thread.

You’re doing quite a good job of that yourself.

Realman –
Hopefully Jimmy will post the pics and then we will see where the truth lies. Or have you got pics to post?

^^^^^^^^ He speaketh sense. ^^^^^^

Or have you got pics to post?

this from tandem

Had plenty of other people who asked for pictures and got them

this from seller, means he has so a comparison of seller and buyer pics would resolve all I think

1.

and had made him an even higher partial refund offer, but never got a reply

The even higher £15 offer which you offered after saying you were tired of my insults? I did reply, so in case you really didn’t see it:

From: James Hatfield (xyz@hotmail.co.uk)
Sent: 13 January 2012 12:31:33
To: Humby George (xyz@xyz.uk)

Insults? I’m only stating facts. In that sense your original advert is the biggest insult.

All the best,
Jim

2.

paid for them, received them, then saw a better deal

Change that to paid for them, received them, then realised the goods didn’t fit the description.

3.

saw a better deal elsewhere so went over them with a magnifying glass

and

The actual marks the buyer is complaining about are nearly non-existent IMO.

Make your own minds up people.[/url]

first time on flickr, so hope the pics show.

EDIT: Goddamit I hate this shit. I feel like such a pedant, but FFS…

They are shagged, give the bloke his money back you ****

LOL – I’ve just seen the URL of the photo posted by the seller.

Wow. They’re pretty knackered.

Only just seen this. Haven’t read the OP, or any of the replies.

*cough* Bullshit *cough*

…oh and I cannot believe you ripped off the guy from Metallica.

That is, if the buyer hasn’t destroyed my reputation completely with this thread

I gave you ample chance before this thread started and as I said all along, I’ve only stated facts.

Shagged.

Give the OP his money back and stop dissembling, if you really care about your reputation.

I don’t know him well but jimmy strikes me as a straight up guy…and old/mature enough not to behave as realman suggests.

realman is IIRC quite young? Not as young as he looks in that pic of course 😛

first time on flickr, so hope the pics show.

From the pics the most noticable things are.
1. Laminate floors always look crap.
2. Use reflectors or a light box to avoid harsh shadows.
3. They look well used and if this was the description used on which the price was based, then I’d be pissed off paying top dollar.

very very good condition, don’t think they have any marks or real signs of wear on them anywhere

they may well be in good working condition, but they clearly have marks on them.
It now all comes down to price and how much RealMan values his reputation.
Got to love the internet.

shame the only thing that will happen to realman is he’ll come back as realman2 or some other psuedonym, as he will now be added to most peoples shonky list

they look pretty ropey to be honest.
do the right thing realmanboy, accept that you are wrong, here’s a chance to become a realman……. 😀

very very good condition, don’t think they have
any marks or real signs of wear on them
anywhere

this is clearly not accurate. refund and proper apology required…

hmmm, I would have described them as “used in good condition, normal wear and tear”

Whilst having to sell them again is a pain, I do think it would be best to refund. You know what this forum is like and as a regular your reputation is worth more than a few quid. Alternatively refund to a satisfactory amount as the brakes still work and they will get more scratches. Check ebay and this forum for a fair price.

Look pretty much like what i would expect second hand tbh – caliper aside- ie wear and tear /signs of use

they do not look like this

very very good condition, don’t think they have any marks or real signs of wear on them anywhere

Do the right thing RM and sort it

FWIW I like your presence on here but we all make mistakes. How you deal with it is how you will be judged IMHO.

Both of you learn a lesson – make sure the person has pics and all this could have been avoided

They certainly are not “shagged” or “ropey” they are just used, if you ride a bike stuff looks like that.

Not good at all. I’d be really pissed.

Jimmy – suggest you keep an eye on his postings for a while and post a link to this thread when he offers things for sale

There’s a lot to be said for posting positive feedback when we get excellent service from a seller, and the opposite applies.

To me they are in good used condition. A bit both ways perhaps but for the price and description I would be disappointed to get those.

Both of you learn a lesson – make sure the person has pics and all this could have been avoided

Wise words indeed.

Clear cut. Give the chap his money back. Now.
Nothing lost, just resell them.
It looks like a clear case of dishonesty otherwise.

The brakes aren’t as described, simple as that.

Refund

tails – Member
They certainly are not “shagged” or “ropey” they are just used, if you ride a bike stuff looks like that

That may be true but they most certainly are not:

very very good condition, don’t think they have any marks or real signs of wear on them anywhere

The seller has embroidered the truth and the buyer made the schoolboy error of not getting pics of the real goods.

Either compromise or refund. I’d be looking for a refund.

1) realman. A Real Man would just do the right thing, if you do then you can easily come back from this. Everyone makes mistakes, it’s how you put them right that counts.

2) To others I don’t think you should take this as a typical example of classifieds behaviour. I’ve bought and sold a reasonable amount of stuff on here and never ever been burned. I just had a lovely experience with nedrapier, and I think the general behaviour on here is exceptional. Don’t be put off.

exactly what boblo said. theyre not in that bad condition, why say they were almost new?

Full refund including postage.

To others I don’t think you should take this as a typical example of classifieds behaviour.

Agreed, and I haven’t thanked enough people for things bought in the past – I will do from now on.

Tails, they are not as described though. I keep my stuff mint and if sell anything on here photo every mark so the buyer knows what they are getting. If i bought based on realmans description I’d be well p1ssed off. Buyer has been naive, not my pics says to me this is what they looked like when I bought them used 6 months ago, but poor form by real man to use such pics and then argue on description.

Full refund, ebay, and OP doesn’t paypal gift in future.

I think these are in similar condition
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Avid-Elixir-cr-Brakes-Grey-/260930265489
and on that basis realman owns the buyer 50 quid or full refund.