Would Nuking Israel Solve the Problems in the Middle East

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/10195838.stm They seem to be able to get away with a hell of a lot. If say Iran was to pull a stunt like that they'd be bombed flat.

If the root of all evil – religion – could somehow be eliminated, that would be a way forward.

um no imho

A root of evil perhaps. Not the root of all evil.

More fizzy drinks, that's what the miggle east needs.

isreal+money+ U.S.A=POWER=freedom to rule the middle east 😀

No. Don't be silly. Get back under your bridge.

Wondered how long it would take someone to shout troll. My point is that if mot other countries pulled the stunts that Israel do they would be bombed to **** in two seconds flat. World is ruled by a shower of asshats.

No.

The remaining states would find something to wave swords at each other about.

No – but bombing certain Israeli/American banks would do the world an enourmous favour.

"Live fire was used against our forces. They initiated the violence, that's 100% clear"

I shall need some pretty good proof of this. I find the idea of Israeli commandos having itchy trigger fingers more plausible (although people who worry about Palestine may be very different in Turkey from how they are here).

In the late 19th century, the zionists of Vienna sent representatives to Palestine to investigate whether it would be possible to (re)establish a Jewish national homeland there. They concluded that it was not, as there were a lot of people living there who were not Jews.

If this astute observation had had more influence over the Zionist movement in subsequent years we would not be where we are now. But we are. "Nuking" them is not now a solution.

I absolutely don't sympathise with Israeli behaviour on this or on a whole range of other things, but I think we don't understand how the world looks from there, even to reasonably sane moderate people. They established a state in the very recent past by a massive effort of self-organisation and ruthless ethnic violence and rather amazingly have managed to hold and consolidate it steadily ever since in the face of substantial opposition.

Gaza is run by armed islamist lunatics who, given half a chance, kill Israelis. The fact that they do that largely because they come from a 50-year-old population of displaced refugees now numbering 1.2million living in a bombed-out city the size of the Isle of Wight is the sort of fact that looks more obvious and interesting from further away, and the idea that they would stop if Israel stopped blockading them is not very obvious. What on earth Israeli policy-makers think the end-game for Gaza is I dread to imagine.

That story is mental – I agree though with OP that if this was any other country there would be UN sanctions.

The flotilla was in International waters the Israelis attacked the ships using drones.

Can you imagine living in Gaza and not feeling angry, they lived there for generations and because another religious group say its their land they get locked up in what is nothing more than a large jail, no water, food, electricity cuts, no jobs. Do you blame them feeling aggressive?

What on earth Israeli policy-makers think the end-game for Gaza is I dread to imagine.

Something along the lines of the OP going on past actions.

I thought I had been hardened by what Israel has done over the years, but this has truly shocked me – I really did think that there was nothing Israel could do to stop the humanitarian aid convey.

But obviously I hadn't figured just what a murdering bunch of bastards they really are …… who clearly don't give a **** what the rest of the world thinks.

And I like this : "The European Union has called for an inquiry to establish what happened." …….FFS. As the OP suggests, would they be calling for a enquiry if it was Iran ?

We don't need a "do absolutely nothing" **** enquiry. We know that the Israelis are war criminals who will even attack civilians sheltering in UN compounds with chemical weapons. We need extensive sanctions and the complete isolation of the racist state. We need the US to stop propping it up. And we need to carry this on until it brings about it's collapse, and a democratic non-racist secular Palestine can be established.

The UN created this monster, in response to the crimes committed by the Germans – now the UN has a clear responsibility to right the wrong.

All of you saying if it was any other country are talking twaddle. Yep there might be a few pointless sanctions but no action. Anyone forgetting that another state recently torpedoed another sovereign nation's warship (makes what the Isrealis have done look like a school yard fight). There's plenty of other examples of countries going postal on their neighbours without anyone else doing anything.

And no nuking them would just end up with us all dead. Best thing to do is to withdraw a lot of support and let the region grow up. Europe forgets that it's only been 65 years since our last really big fight and it took two world wars before we realised we couldn't keep behaving like pricks and had to sit down and live with each other.

Israel/the Jews have served as massive stabilising factor in the Middle east, since they have unified the arab populations in a shared goal and target for their hatred.

If you removed them from the equation, it would be simply a matter of time before the region broke down into internecine tribal warfare between arabs, whether over land, resources or honour.

The middle east needs Marmite. There's no yeast in unleavened bread (which is pretty prevalent), and that results in a lack of zinc, which apparently makes people more aggressive. Send them some marmite and they'll be right as rain.

yes

At the risk of feeding the troll:

we need to carry this on until it brings about it's collapse, and a democratic non-racist secular Palestine can be established.

The UN created this monster, in response to the crimes committed by the Germans – now the UN has a clear responsibility to right the wrong.

The second paragraph blames the creation of the State of Israel on external forces i.e. the UN. This is fiction: the Israelis themselves created Israel on the ground in the vacuum left by the Brits pissing off back to Europe. Recognition by others came after the fait accompli (and in that there is a lesson about why foreigners' huffing and puffing is largely irrelevant in IsPal politics).

And yet the first paragraph advocates a solution (a single secular state that both peoples are able to live in) that practically no Israelis or Palestinians want and would entirely be a creation of external forces! At least, I assume you're saying the Israelis should be allowed to live there – you don't mention it specifically. Maybe you have another solution in mind…

All of you saying if it was any other country are talking twaddle. Yep there might be a few pointless sanctions but no action.

You really are talking bollox. The vicious crippling sanctions against Iraq were hardly "a few pointless sanctions but no action". The sanctions against Iran for allegedly wanting to develop nuclear weapons are hardly "a few pointless sanctions but no action"……of course no sanctions at all against Israel for actually having nuclear weapons – just massive aid instead.

I didn't hear the whole story on the news but it seemed to be along the lines of "Israelie commandos stormed a relief convoy in international waters and someone on one of the boats dared to pull a knife"

They seem to be untouchable, with friends & bankers in very high places.

Perhaps we should unify against Israel with an international boycott on Jaffa cakes?

that practically no Israelis or Palestinians want and would entirely be a creation of external forces! At least, I assume you're saying the Israelis should be allowed to live there

Nonsense. The Palestinians would perfectly happy to have a secular state if they could have their land back. And no, I see no place for American, British, French, whatever, Zionists in Palestine. They can get off the stolen lands and return to their countries – there is no persecution of Jews in the US, Britain, France, etc. Why for example, is Dame Shirley Porter heiress to Tesco, living on land taken from the Palestinians – was she being persecuted in her home country ffs ?

And it's a sad day indeed, when you are accused of being a "troll" for speaking in support of justice for the Palestinian people. Are you a Zionist konabunny ?

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EDIT : Actually konabunny, don't bother answering that, you are obviously a Zionist by this comment : "Israelis themselves created Israel on the ground in the vacuum left by the Brits pissing off back to Europe"

The claim that it was was no ones land and no one was living there, is a classic Zionist myth (that's why millions of Palestinians are crammed into the tiny Gaza Strip making it the most densely populated place on earth). As is, that they themselves, created Israel on the Promised Land.

Wouldn't have happened if they'd taken up the several not so subtle hints first and turned back. Or not decided to try and fight off a highly trained bunch of commandos and generally got on the wrong side of the wrong people.
When will you anti semites wake up to reality? Isreal will happily leave palestine alone if they don't keep acting the fool.
You don't poke a bear with a sharp stick and expect to get away with it.

Obi_Twa – Member
Wondered how long it would take someone to shout troll. My point is that if mot other countries pulled the stunts that Israel do they would be bombed to **** in two seconds flat. World is ruled by a shower of asshats.

If you're not a troll, then you're not clearly blinkered. Do you not watch the news?

They can get off the stolen lands and return to their countries –

Surely the lands were rightfully and reasonably won in the 1948 war of independence?

To the victor, the spoils!

Where do you draw the line? – should Americans all retreat across the Texan border because it was "stolen" from Mexico?

Ironically it 48 years today since Israel executed Adolf Eichmann who had similar thoughts.

Surely the lands were rightfully and reasonably won in the 1948 war of independence?

To the victor, the spoils!

Where do you draw the line? – should Americans all retreat across the Texan border because it was "stolen" from Mexico?

So if american support was withdrawn, and the Arab nations wiped Isreal from the map, would that be right? to the winner the spoils!

and not really a war of independence, more an invasion and land grab.

Like I say MSP – just where do you draw the line?

I think most people would say that you accept the status quo, whatever wrongs have happened in the past, and move on – saying that somewhere was "stolen" so should be returned only serves to open up a pandoras box of claims and counterclaims worldwide.

edit – and regards the "invasion and land grab" – the outline for a "jewish homeland" was set out in the Balfoour declaration of 1917 and and accepted by the league of nations (forerunner to the UN) in 1922 – a long time before the 1948 war when arab nations tried and failed to "wipe israel off the map".

Dear Sir or Madam,

You have made a post that dares to criticize Israel. As you know, this makes you an anti-semite.

I would like to point out the following facts that are relevant to the discussion:

[x] 6 million Jews died in the holocaust.

[x] You are an anti semite.

[ ] Israel made the desert bloom and we have beautiful beaches.

[ ] The Jews have been persecuted for thousands of years.

[x] All arabs want to push the Jews into the sea.

[x] Israel is a shining example of democracy and ethnic discrimination does not exist.

[x] Suicide bombers are killing Israeli citizens and collective punishment will put a stop to this eventually.

[x] The IDF are showing remarkable restraint; They have the power to nuke the entire region but choose not to.

[x] It is the fault of the Palestinians that they don't rebuild infrastructure fast enough after we bomb it.

[x] Arafat walked out on camp David, proving that 100% of Palestinians want war, not peace.

[ ] The Jews are God's chosen people and this is the land that was promised to us by a book.

[ ] It is not a genocide until hundreds of thousands of Palestinans are killed and we aren't even close to that yet.

[x] 100% of Palestinians are terrorists.

[ ] The Arabs drove the Jews from their homeland thousands of years ago so it is about time for some payback.

[ ] Israel has killed fewer people than Iran or Iraq which means we are a peaceful state.

[ ] Carpet bombing an entire country is a perfectly rational response to the kidnapping of a soldier.

[x] It's not a concentration camp, it's a safety wall!

Therefore, your claim of [Israel attacking a humanitarian aid flotilla in international waters] is false and we should continue to send money and military support to Israel.

Yours sincerely,

AIPAC

the entire region needs to be disarmed and then they can go back to throwing sand at each other. imho Israel are covered in the tar they paint everyone else with. I'll bring the feathers.

lol at DrJ's post! 😀

IMO The middle east has largely been screwed up in the west’s support of many despotic regimes, Iran, Libya and Iraq had massive western support before they turned sour (turned sour from our point of view, it was already pretty sour but for a small minority in those countries).
Those countries are not so dissimilar to the regimes currently in operation in Saudi and other countries in the region, which still have massive western support despite atrocious human rights records.
Israel is part of the problem of the region, and the calling cry for the religious fundamentalists recruiting from the disenfranchised, but the large group of disenfranchised have been created through many mistakes in the region.

the arab countries in the area aren't big fans of the palestinians.

if you killed all the people in israel (ironic solution OP!), syria, jordan and egypt would be scrapping over the territory – there wouldn't be a palestinian state.

So does this count as terrorism or piracy?

Actually konabunny, don't bother answering that…

…because you've already decided what I believe, regardless of whether that's what was actually said.

You're accused of being a troll because the vast majority of your posts in your various identities are designed to produce more heat than light. Too bad this forum doesn't have an "ignore" function.

Cheerio!

Far too many people have been and are suffering in the area. Peace is the only solution. Until this is accepted on all sides the suffering and killing will continue.

Sadly I can't see peace in the region while Netanyahu, and some party members are in power and powerful. Netanyahu has not shown any real interest in a compromise to peace and tends to fabricate reality to fit into his prejudiced and rather insane judgements and ideas.
USA dropping support is a good step but they need to stand by what they say and get tough when necessary.

TheFunkyMonkey – Member
Wouldn't have happened if they'd taken up the several not so subtle hints first and turned back. Or not decided to try and fight off a highly trained bunch of commandos and generally got on the wrong side of the wrong people.
When will you anti semites wake up to reality? Isreal will happily leave palestine alone if they don't keep acting the fool.
You don't poke a bear with a sharp stick and expect to get away with it.

I would appear to be an anti-semite,on the basis of that I do not approve of the actions of the rogue state that is Israel.I will wear that one with pride.

Wouldn't have happened if they'd taken up the several not so subtle hints first and turned back. Or not decided to try and fight off a highly trained bunch of commandos and generally got on the wrong side of the wrong people.
When will you anti semites wake up to reality? Isreal will happily leave palestine alone if they don't keep acting the fool.
You don't poke a bear with a sharp stick and expect to get away with it.

I'm assuming this post is satire because you can't possibly be serious.

You don't poke a bear with a sharp stick and expect to get away with it.

A bear that sits on an anthill is bound to get bit repeatedly.