[Closed] What's the best way to service a Kona frame and how long should it take ?

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well shock removal takes 5 mins, look for bushing and upper shockmount bolt wear/ bending

bearings will be noticably notchy if they are shagged and easy to tell just moving the swingarm a bit

replacing the bearings in the rocker is easy to do with the right size socket or proper tool

removing and replacing the main pivot bearings is hard work using some sort of bearing pushing tool is the only way to do it a socket and hammer will take you about 2 days ime and be very careful not to damage the frame

Just on the off chance that this isn't a troll/wind up.

You just use allen keys and spanners (sized appropriately), and then check for play.

You'll need to buy a bearing/bush kit - try betd.co.uk

If there is play, the bearings/bushes are all push fit, so no specific tools needed.

Most likely:
1. Reducer bushes on the shock eyes
2. seat stay end of rocker (bush)
3. chain/seat stay bush

If this isn't fairly obvious without having to ask, you may be better going to your bike shop.

If anyone knows where to source individual bushes, to avoid buying a full kit, that would be useful.

I'd have thought that with the experience you have of dealing with Konas and the general expertise you claim you'd be the one telling us!

See for example your own ebay ads [url= http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2007-Kona-Coiler-Mountain-bike-frame-Size-Medium-17-AM_W0QQitemZ140361359994QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_sportsleisure_cycling_bikeparts_SR?hash=item20ae30627a ]HERE[/url] and [url= http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Full-bearing-kit-set-Kona-dawg-range-deluxe-2003-2007_W0QQitemZ140358164495QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_sportsleisure_cycling_bikeparts_SR?hash=item20adffa00f ]HERE[/url]

Crazylegs. I know how to do the job I’m interested in finding out different techniques and seeing if I can improve on my time. How would you do the job and how long would it take you ?.

This isn't a wind up and any input will be greatly appreciated by me. I'm a genuine mechanic and love learing new techniques.

Is this a purchased or stolen Kona frame?

leave the kona lying about for a bit, wait for it to dissapear, and then the magic "I've tuned your frame" pixies will fix it and paint it a horrible colour and then you can buy it back from ebay at an overinflated price.

those main pivot bearings are the hardest bikeing related spannering ive ever come accross, im guessing youve tried to replace them and cant get the old ones out?

Home made bearing press will do the trick for the main pivot bearings - in and out.

I use a bearing press for insertion and a bearing puller for removal, quicker, easier and you don't have to worry about ****ting something with a hammer and drift by accident.

[i]How would you do the job and how long would it take you ?. [/i]

Allen keys and a punch/drift or puller to get the bearings out, press to refit.
30 mins for a full shock removal, bearing replacement and shock refit. Add another 10-15 mins for a simple air can service of the shock. (this assumes that the frame is already stripped of all parts and the bearings aren't seized).

Next question?

If I remember rightly it's just a case of HAMMERZEIT!!! I'm sure it'll work for you.

crazylegs any chance you can talk me through getting the main pivot axle out ?

Stick a suitable bolt most of the way in then **** it with a hammer.

Banana world. How fast can you strip the frame and get all the bearings out ?.

Takes about a half-hour. That's using a Specialized FSR toolkit though (with some 'modifications'...)

The toolkit's great for FSRs (obviously...) but doesn't usually work for other frames as the bearings' internal diameters are ever-so-slightly different. However, correct use of random shims/washers/bent spokes results in it being able to cope with most situations.

Obviously it involves a little more than just 'ammerin' but an acute direct pressure applicator is indeed useful.

kaesae- I'm still waiting for answer regarding my hub/pawl service on your other link, help please

i can tell you but i cost £25 and you will have to send me the frame.

im dying to know the full scandalous story behind this one

Ditto slowrider. Feels like I've walked in half way through a good comedy film and even though it's still funny I'd have loved to see the first bit.

Banana world. I can remove all the bearings including the rocker plate inserts and most other frame pivot bearings in under 10 mins 20 if I have to remove outer races from housings or anytihng tricky. What do you say to that ?

slowrider & Coyote - how long have you got?
http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/whats-this-joker-on-about

Holy flurking shnite!!! That 11 pages right there. I'll be back at beer o'clock to wade my way through it.

kaesae - Member
Banana world. I can remove all the bearings including the rocker plate inserts and most other frame pivot bearings in under 10 mins 20 if I have to remove outer races from housings or anytihng tricky. What do you say to that ?

Errm I'm not Bananaworld (obviously) but do the bearings come out more quickly when frames are 'hot'? You know with all that expansion going on 😉

Before you trawl through 11 pages, try this to get a flavour of where it went - kaesae concluded:

My time is too valuable to waist on this nonsense. I reject your way of life your bastard roman mentality and inbred church hypercritical perspective. You are wage slaves and fools distracted by nonsense when the rich own you for a few ££££’s an hour. While you waist your time on this delusional day dream, I’m working as hard as I can to get away from you before you completely destroy our country. Good luck with the rising crime rate, collapsing NHS that’s actually breading diseases and children being brought up by the streets. You guys know what your doing. So sad and pathetic you have nothing better to do than this, gibber gabber like old women.

Farewell ratty racers I leave you to chase your tails.

Farewell ratty racers I leave you to chase your tails.

Judging by all the other spelling mistakes I can conclude he meant trails... nice enough way to end really.

What kind of idiot would spend that on a second hand Kona frame?

NHS that’s actually breading diseases

Well that's the last time I get a sandwich from the hospital shop!

My curiousity is piqued. I shall read it later.

[i]kaesae - Member
crazylegs any chance you can talk me through getting the main pivot axle out ?[/i]

so in summary;

kaesae sells "refurbished" full sus frames on ebay and claims mechanical prowess.
kaesae sells bearing kits for kona frames, claiming to have fitted them to the dozens of Kona frames he's refurbished.
kaesae has slagged the entire STW community for being in turn soulless consumerist puppets with their overpriced toys, and for riding cheap bikes.
kaesae is now asking the STW community how to service kona main pivot bearings.

Thanks to the hypocritical contradictions I am not well disposed to telling him how easily I service my Coiler frame.

Hey. I reckon I can strip the frame of all it's bearings in less than 5 and a half minutes. The nylon bushes not included. Anyone say other wise.

kaesae - Member

Banana world. I can remove all the bearings including the rocker plate inserts and most other frame pivot bearings in under 10 mins 20 if I have to remove outer races from housings or anytihng tricky. What do you say to that ?

I say, "Whoop-de-****ing-doo, would you like a special medal?"

Hello. what's a munqe. No I disagree I have insulted our idiotic way of life in this country and all those fools that would waste my time while I’m working and have tried to make sport of me. I bare no I’ll will to decent hard working people I was simply winding up the fools and giving you guys something different. As I have already said I do not consider this kind of thing to be serious and am only having fun. In a provocative and outrageous manner as is my right I didn’t choose to be involved in this. I simply wish to work on mountain bikes anyone with any techniques I don’t have already I’m interested to learn.

"Anyone say other wise?"

Anyone give a flying f*ck?

I say that getting the bearings out of a kona frame is not a job to be rushed. I guess I could do them all in under a minute given a big enough hammer. Dont think the frame would be of much use afterwards though.

fred now seems quite normal

You sad, sad boy.

"normal" as in SNAFU?

Good to see you used my bolt and **** it with a hammer method.

LOL

I see you have recovered from your crippling disability!

kaesae - Member

Hey. I reckon I can strip the frame of it's rightful owner in less than 5 and a half minutes. Anyone say other wise.

No, for once I truly believe you.

My head hurts! You just couldn't make this thread up.

😯
Funking cutjob. Care in the community hits new levels.

If loving bikes and biking is snafu them I'm snafu x snafu. I get to Work on them all the time for now and once I can walk properly and then ride. I get to build custom bikes, learning all about servicing and race tuning them and riding them a lot off course to test them. To me that’s my idea of heaven, spending all my time doing what I love. I would think that's the perfect life for me, I wouldn't have yours and you wouldn't have mine.

Which of us is more happy though, I’m short and funny looking and my spelling is awful. I don’t give a sh1t I’m confident in who I am and will never be afraid to speak my mind or have a go at it. I think it’s about time for some criticism no doubt, after 18 months of chronic pain and not being able to walk the little things just don’t seem to bother me anymore. Does anyone have a clip or tip about servicing full suspension frames. Any of the MTB riders that have a frame that’s giving you static, If you need a hand let me know.

Yo Kaesae,

Let's end a lot of the doubters' doubts by having you tell the world from where you source your stocks of frames. I'm very certain it will shut lots of people up.

Fella's, i think Kaesae pawned you all................nuff respect 😆

Kaesae bless you matey, you make an otherwise bleak and dreary sunday afternoon somehow fun again.

Any of the MTB riders that have a frame that’s giving you static

Static?? My god yes, i have a Felt, the frames got a lovely furry fluffy finish with beautiful polyester dropouts, it doesnt half chafe, and its definitely not good in the wet.

........sorry

i have a Felt,

you need to make sure it doesn't become fuzzy, otherwise you'll end looking like this

http://www.fuzzyfelt.com/load.swf

[Edit: forgot to log out my other half and myself back in before posting. She would be ashamed to take such interest in pivot bearings!]

Blimey! Not sure if it was how long it took him or that he only used a hammer (not as bad as it sounds) once and dropped a bolt once. Thats really properly quite good IMHO.

Although the 'has anyone got any tips?' thing is a [i]really[/i] lame way to show people on here you really do seem have some idea of what you're doing with bike frames. I don't think you want or need any tips. Why didn't you just post that youtube link straight away on the 'joker' enormo-thread? I think that whatever you say on here now, someone will have a pop at you. If you had shown them the workshop video first rather than the spectacular insultathon, you could have avoided all this silliness.

Out of interest, I wonder if you could look at selling correctly machined/trimmed tubes and drifts for people to press their own bearings in and out with a vice like you do in the video? A lot of people have a bench vice but not the means to cut their own bearing press gubbins. Materials would be cheap as chips, you could turn quite a few quid in doing that.

this is better than any car crash tv ever.

WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR FRAMES FROM?

creative helmet cam work.... looking forward to the night ride edition

Not seen such a well organised home workshop for years. I imagine with your eBay bearing replacement kit business you may well have one of the best mailing lists of owner addresses of upper quality mountain bikes in the UK. I hope you keep it safe.

Where do I stock up on my frames that are the life blood of my business and earn me a living. Why don't I show you how to ebay trade or as one of you fools asked tell you where I source my bearings from. I think the way I'm going about selling them with detailed pictures disguised as themselves on the largest trading resource in the world speaks for my cunning.

Anyone can get unserviced frames they cost £100’s to sort, shock function check or air can service £20, bearing kit £40 to £50 for a good one, installation £40 to £50 any decent bike shop, BB facing disc brake mount spot facing rear end alignment check £15. If the shocks blown another good bit. Any of you lot know how to fully check a frame ?.

Once I tune them there worth money before hand there sh1t. I am willing to prove that I’m a better frame servicing technician than any of the fools criticizing me. My frames are the best you’ll get for the money. So don’t tell me show me, This aint the TV and talk don’t count for sh1t here in the real world.

He/you didn't separate the left hand from the right hand pivot bolts, so that frame is fubar.......

More haste, less speed.

And another thing - that soft faced hitty thing should be ashamed to call itself a hammer.

I don't care how well you can service a frame...you just sound like a bit of an idiot.

I am willing to prove that I’m a better frame servicing technician than any of the fools criticizing me

Then why are you asking how to do the work. The line that you're just interested in how others do it is just bullshat, plain and simple

You are a blithering fool

Frame servicing technician is a title you've just made up.

it's clear why he asked, he had a video in the can of him doing it in 5 minutes, asked the question and got some helpful and less then helpful cocks suggest they needed 15 to 30 minutes to do it setting him up nicely with an excuse to post his own youtube advertorial....

Millie I do want to learn more about servicing I'm not looking to be good I'm looking to be the best. Aahh you've got me tools are here and ready to go and so are the best bearing kits you’ll get for the money. What kind of bike do you have and how wide does the jaws on your vice open. As for silliness that’s called fun these threads are idiotic this sites all about selling stuff. You can’t swing a mouse without bumping into an add for this that or the next thing. Guy contacts me wastes my time and these fools agree with it, even though he admits he had no intention of buying the frame. So I give the silly monkeys a poke psychologically and let them OOH and AAHH for a while. Do you want some free tools and advice ?. three sets of these tools for free and a DVD not a good one but it will do the job and I'll use as close a frame to yours in design as possible. Anyone interested ?.

lol you make me laugh - greatly entertaining kaesae keep up the good work !

btw this sites not about selling stuff 😉

Read the initial question. I didn't ask how to do it. I asked what the best way to do it was and how long it should take. Who cares what I did and how fast lest just criticize. That DVD was done earlier tonight I started the thread this morning. I don't need to practice I really am very good at servicing frames plus the whole point is that you lot questioned if I new my craft. Any bikers looking to service their rigs I can teach you how to do it, as cheaply as it's possible. The rest of you I don't have time to waste.

btw this sites not about selling stuff

Unless you happen to be selling 'Premium Troll Chow'.

veeeery smooth...

I would have thought there is a small amount of money to be made undercutting the likes of BETD for nice quality bearings, and the right shaped/sized bits and bobs to press/drift them out and in again.

... oh but by way of friendly advice, do try not to call them 'rigs' on here, you'll get all the pedants upset. Again. 🙂

Kaesae, we have a wonderful resource in this kingdom called the NHS; perhaps you could talk to one of their learned practitioners about your bike repair God complex!

*post edit*

actually i am not getting involved.

man i feel the urge to send my frame his way to check it out .....Can you do any work with carbon frames ?

so have we found out where the nut-job gets his frames from yet?

There was a scary, almost psychotic intensity to that video. I half-expected him to start grunting at some point..

I think the way I'm going about selling them with detailed pictures [s]disguised as themselves[/s] [b]dodgily-resprayed[/b] on the [s]largest trading resource in the world[/s] [b](Devil's Marketplace)[/b]

...[u]speaks for my cunning[/u] ---- [b]you definitely said it kaesae[/b].

Interesting, one of the above comments about kaesae potentially owning a very large list of residential addreses, all where specific full suspension bikes are stored. He's very quick with his hands too...

Wathced the vid, its almost creepy like an out take of a Saw movie!

What a mental.

Hi Kaesae i would be interested to know what you were using in the vid to remove bearings? I couldnt make it out. Ive just done mine with a socket and a hammer and your way looked a lot easier.

Enjoy silly monkeys. Better if you could show me, talk don't accomplish sh1t.

Tip:. Remove your rear shock and run your rear end through it,s travel gently. The action should be smooth and consistent and should require any real force. If it,s not consider how much better your riding experience would be if your frame wasn,t a cross between a donkey and a pogo stick with wheels, EEEE AAAWWW!!.Get it sorted and keep it pinned or hold on tight it,s gonna be a rough ride and a hard landing. EEEE AAAWWW!! Angry donkey strikes again!

I always find the quickest way to service a Kona frame is to find the nearest skip,insert frame into skip,and run away laughing.If you leave the frame near the top of the skip,it makes it easier for kaesae to find.
Ian