Suella! Braverman!

I can only see the court saying it’s illegal for many obvious reasons, and then an appeal

Uhh…

Gov winning will be the worst outcome…for the govt.
I can’t believe they will want to win it quite frankly. Just imagine if they actually have to go through with the farce of deporting people to Rwanda. Just think for a minute about the actual process, the court cases, the press coverage, the demonstrations, the frickin cost of it all.  It will be a massive disaster and the public, especially the racist nasty ones will very quickly get bored and move on leaving the rest of us to voice our disgust. It will become a massive albatross around the Tory neck.
No no – much better if it was blocked by the wokerati then it can become a far right martyr cause to rally around.
I reckon Suella wanted out before the decision either way – give the problem to little Rishi and the pig botherer.

no wonder Cleverly has been going around with a face on him since he got shifted from his interesting job where no one bothered him to having to invigilate a kindergarten

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Uhh…

Well, they could appeal to the ECHR, the very thing they are trying to ban…it wouldn’t been the first, or even most recent demonstration of such hypocrisy.

Basically what Winston says.

If they win it’ll become more obvious we’re spending many many millions of pounds to ship only 200 poor people (iirc) a year for processing. Probably less than keeping them in the mythical 5 star hotels they’re all living up in for a year.

Maybe just spend the money, you know, on efficiently processing the asylum claims here so they can either be released into the system to earn money/taxes/contribute to society, or repatriated if they are rejected and maybe we wouldn’t have 200,000 awaiting their appeals.

Well, they could appeal to the ECHR

How? The purpose of the ECHR is to “protect people’s human rights and basic freedoms”, I don’t think governments can ask the ECHR to overrule the decisions of their own courts?

If they win it’ll become more obvious we’re spending many many millions of pounds to ship only 200 poor people (iirc) a year for processing. Probably less than keeping them in the mythical 5 star hotels they’re all living up in for a year.

Maybe just spend the money, you know, on efficiently processing the asylum claims here so they can either be released into the system to earn money/taxes/contribute to society, or repatriated if they are rejected and maybe we wouldn’t have 200,000 awaiting their appeals.

Any sane person can see that this is just a political football, or hot potato or call it what you want.

The mere fact the asylum seakers are languishing in rusty flotillas or 5* hotels for months on end is just silly and a massive waste of money.

Process them quickly, and fairly, that would be far cheaper, but it doen’t suit certain political agendas..

I am fairly sure that the european court can still rule against the government if the governments laws are incompatible with the ECHR.  It has no teeth to enforce the ruling

As I have siad before the real issue withdrawing from the ECHR is that the declaration of human rights is enshrined in the acts that set up both the Scottish and Welsh parliaments and this cannot be amended without permission from those parliaments.  So even if the tories withdraw from it it will still apply in Scotland and Wales unless they take the nuclear option of closing both parliaments. 

this sets up a huge constitutional issue and people in Scotland and wales would still be able to apply to the european court for protection under the convention

If they win it’ll become more obvious we’re spending many many millions of pounds to ship only 200 poor people (iirc) a year for processing.

Yup. That it seems completely incapable of scaling means its best used as a “we would do something but cant due to those nasty lefty woke judges”. Even as a deterrent it would be useless unless migrants see a real risk of being sent there which given the numbers is unlikely.
I am surprised they dont just say their abandonment of net zero etc is part of their strategy since bad weather in the channel is about the only thing currently working for them.

I am fairly sure that the european court can still rule against the government if the governments laws are incompatible with the ECHR.

Of course they can. But governments can’t ask the ECHR to overrule their own Supreme Court, AFAIK. Which is what was being suggested.

How? The purpose of the ECHR is to “protect people’s human rights and basic freedoms”, I don’t think governments can ask the ECHR to overrule the decisions of their own courts?

If the current UK gov is anything to go by, rights and basic freedoms of natural brits would outshadow, say people comming in on small boats, parachute, or hot air baloon, or floating in on small bits of wood,  regardless of status.

I don’t think it would be a strong legal argument, but it’s the type of argument I can see the conservatives trying to use if it comes to the crunch, and why they seemingly want to get out of the ECHR.

ONly england not the UK

Where does Jungle Nige fit in to all this? He was all over the Tory conference like a fungal skin infection on jabba  the hutts arse. Spot of “humanisation” ont   Telly and then lines up with Suella, Liz and Moggy for the (fentanyl withdrawal fever) dream ticket?

It wouldn’t surprise me – but I suspect like others who have tried to create a new party overnight it will be doomed to failure.

Right now I wouldn’t bet on the tories being 2nd at the next election.  Not because I think they’ll win, or even that some UKIP-revival party will do well…  …but this should be the lib dems opportunity to fill the vacuum, shame nobody outside the party can even name their leader!

They set this whole thing up to lose in the same way that Boris set everything up to gloriously lose the Brexit referendum.

It’s all about posturing

If by some remote chance they do win tomorrow, then expect a replay of this…

They never expected to be tasked with delivering it, so there was no plan to do so. Bravermans Rwanda ‘plan’ is exactly the same

Christ, we need rid of this gang of grifters! I can’t believe there are people so thick that they can’t see straight through them

‘Lord’ Mogg was, sadly, on the money about this

Nah, Mogg is an attention seeker just like she was.  The media like attention seekers and feed them too much oxygen but the majority of the public don’t really have Suella’s priorities at the top of their agenda.  Some will loudly vocalise her views – but voters are not the same as the noise generators on either side of the fence.  Mogg will be living in an echo chamber – because what middle of the road british citizen is going to go and talk to him about, unless they are interested in views from vicotiana?

As for this brain dump of a letter,

Someone in our company whats app group just posted it with “this is what happens when you fire someone and haven’t told IT quickly enough to stop them sending that “all company email” out”

I do have to say that they _must_ have known she would do that, so why the hell not actually sack her and deny her that opportunity?

He did sack her (a bit too late but she was sacked, that is not a resignation letter).  But the thing is everyone has a platform with social media and as a high profile politician that platform is quite significant.  I suspect he held off just in case the Palestine Ceasefire March actually turned into widespread chaos and she was “proved right”.

What was considered the ‘usual’ way of doing politics – the ‘good chap’ theory – no longer apply, post-Johnson. He did away with all that.

Boris was a Poundshop Trump, gleefully trampling over democratic norms to serve his own interests. But his own interests were justvacuous and vain

No prizes for for guessing who would be the one to pick up the ball and go ‘Full Trump’. Someone with a far more sinister agenda. I get the feeling Cruella is only just warming up. She’s barely even started yet and she’ll happily put the entire UK democracy through the shredder to further her aims. Word like ‘fascist’ get thrown around a lot nowadays, but she’s the real deal. A ten Bob Brownshirt

^^ Agreed, even after a Labour government she could be a huge threat to this country of she still has a hold of the Tory party.

I hope that when the Tories lose she is swallowed up by the infighting. That’s a hope rather than a prediction though.

She’s a dangerous individual.

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You have to love that Suella thinks that Sunak looking at her letter of demands when she took the job is some sort if binding employment contract. He’s a politician!

“Dear Rishi, I am very disappointed that you, a habitual liar, have broken the deal you made with me, a habitual liar”

Imagine making a deal with a Tory, especially as a Tory yourself, and not having it in a legally binding contract.

Isn’t she allegedly a lawyer?

I get the feeling Cruella is only just warming up.

They should both be on that celebrity jungle palaver at the same time.

Who would pluck and eat the most maggots from a rotting chicken filet?, who would surive the the final steel cage match?

Isn’t she allegedly a lawyer?

I don’t think I would hire her.

Is she a lawyer in the same sense she’s Buddhist? as in she might have read a book about it once?

She is a barrister, but rumour has it not a very good one. I’m fairly sure there was a bit of a stink about her being made a QC as she had to be one to be attorney general, rather than on merit?

Maybe just spend the money, you know, on efficiently processing the asylum claims here so they can either be released into the system to earn money/taxes/contribute to society, or repatriated if they are rejected and maybe we wouldn’t have 200,000 awaiting their appeals.

This is what the opposition party should be shouting every single time asylum is mentioned. It may sink in to some people then.

Braverman has also falsified / exaggerated her accomplishments as a lawyer.  Multiple complaints to the bar council about her conduct.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suella_Braverman#Allegations_of_misconduct

She’s going to weaponise all this shit. She already has. She’s a dead cert as next Tory leader, brought to you by the same old senile racists who delivered you Liz Truss as PM

I suppose/hope the natural wastage will eat into this.

Where does Jungle Nige fit in to all this? He was all over the Tory conference like a fungal skin infection on jabba the hutts arse. Spot of “humanisation” ont Telly and then lines up with Suella, Liz and Moggy for the (fentanyl withdrawal fever) dream ticket?

I do wonder if after the crashing election defeat the new band gets together.

Winning an election on not being the Tory party isn’t the greatest win, I can see a scenario where we end up with with the NuTory party being full on EDL/NF inspired and even worse than we’re we are now.

We laugh at GBeebies and Cruella but I have a nasty feeling we are at the beginning of something not the end.

It wouldn’t surprise me – but I suspect like others who have tried to create a new party overnight it will be doomed to failure.

no need to create a new party just continue rebranding the existing one,parachute Farage into a safe seat or Baron Farage and off we go 🙂

I do wonder if after the crashing election defeat the new band gets together.

There was someone on R4 suggesting that he’s going to wait until after the election and then join the Conservative’s as a populist ‘saviour’ of things… Apparently he, Sue Ellen  and the Lettuce formerly known as Prime Minister are all really popular within a group of Tory party members….

TBH after the return of the Cameron,bringing back more of the old favourites and some crossovers doesn’t look so far fetched.

Maybe just spend the money, you know, on efficiently processing the asylum claims here so they can either be released into the system to earn money/taxes/contribute to society, or repatriated if they are rejected and maybe we wouldn’t have 200,000 awaiting their appeals.

Not enough media impact with actually just getting on doing the job efficiently.

Oh and solving a ‘usefull’ problem means you have to create a new bogey man to frighten the pensioners now you can’t blame the EU.

 you have to create a new bogey man to frighten the pensioners now you can’t blame the EU.

See Esther McVey’s appt as minister for common sense and “anti woke”. Like “Brussels” it can anything you want at the same time that it obviously means nothing at all, and everyone can create their own interpretation. 

We laugh at GBeebies and Cruella but I have a nasty feeling we are at the beginning of something not the end.

The first series of the BBCs “Rise of the Nazis” felt awfully current.

It wouldn’t surprise me – but I suspect like others who have tried to create a new party overnight it will be doomed to failure.

They believe the whole country is wanting a hard / far right party and is just waiting for them to create it.  Remember this lot just believe what they think is right and everyone agrees with them but is too scared to say.  The “silent majority” and they would also have huge media support.

I think a tory party split, rebranding into an overtly hard right party or creation of a new “real conservatives” is fairly likely.  Just remember some of the batshit crazy things they said about brexit

“Alice laughed. ‘There’s no use trying,’ she said. ‘One can’t believe impossible things.’

I daresay you haven’t had much practice,’ said the Queen. ‘When I was your age, I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, sometimes I’ve believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.

I think a tory party split

no chance. For one it would mean they’d never ever govern again, and if there is one thing you can be assured of, it’s that the Tory party will be desperate to be in power and do and say whatever they think gives them best chance to get there

i truely dispise the likes of braverman, she is a poisonous witch without an ounce of humanity. 

Rwanda ruling incoming…….

So the government loses, I can’t believe that the supreme court’s conclusion was so damning.

and hardly any mention (if any) of ECHR. Basis of decision in other laws and acts, not ECHR. So, hopefully, an indirect statement about futility of blaming ECHR.

That’s a pretty resounding “get stuffed!” from Lord Reed.

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That has blown them out of the water. Will upset cruella as it should keep her out of the news for a little while

Live footage from Cruellas house