Suella! Braverman!

She is clearly batsh#t enough to want to bring him down.
I love the underlying tone of the letter though.
You are crap as a pm, and I was rubbish as home secretary

Sunak was never going to be a popular PM. That interview with those teenagers where he goes on about being a Coke addict revealed his true nerd. He has continued to let it slip throughout e.g. the doe-eyed encounter with Musk. The nation could do with being better at Maths and having more diverse A-level choices, but he keeps misjudging his base who have a more “base” agenda.

The election will be a disaster for them. They will shrink into bitterness and coalesce around their base. In time, either the world will move on, making them either less or more relevant. In any case they will brood on GB News waiting for moment to be reborn.

A new Boris will emerge fully-formed, out of the mud of an Oxbridge college, like an Uruk-hai. The country will be tricked yet again by a very convincing act.

It is difficult to get too excited.

This discussion belongs in a separate thread IMHO

I agree. Why not start one?

Gove as a matter of course wouldn’t have a security detail

Such a bold assertion. Especially considering Gove and his wife were ‘forced’ to reinforce their home security after feeling threatened.

“The Cabinet member’s wife, the journalist Sarah Vine, revealed the couple had been told by police that their home was a “serious security hazard” and they had decided to have bars “akin to steel girders” installed against the threat of protestors attacking their property.”

ButI was merely speculating, not asserting anything. It’s still my belief that Gove’s jaunt through Victoria station, right at the same time there was a huge number of pro-Palestinian demonstrators there, was not merely coincidental. But everyone is entitled to their own views.

It’s entertaining.

Hmm. Perhaps in a morbid kind of way. But in the meantime, ordinary people will continue to suffer under this vile regime. As they play out their Machiavellian games this winter, people will die because they can’t afford to heat their homes, eat adequately, and from a chronic lack of adequate health services.

Gove is often seen on public transport and in public places alone without security.  I actually applaud him for it. 

Would be awkward buying columbian marching powder if you were accompanied everywhere by a cop!  Perhaps thats why he’s never been in one of the roles where it comes with the job?

‘Lord’ Mogg was, sadly, on the money about this :-

“I think from the point of view of the Conservatives winning the next election, today is a mistake because Suella understood what the British voter thought and was trying to do something about it.

“It seems to me that the Prime Minister is not as well attuned to the voters’ concerns as Suella Braverman.”

As ever the politician is as much a symptom as the catalyst. Braverman has been a vehicle to allow the nastier side of a lot of the public to be vindicated in their vile beliefs. Whilst not here (because we are largely fine upstanding examples of the Wokerati) there are millions of potential votes UK that like oversimplified racist abusive. In many ways its not the scum at the top of the pile that worries me the most, but the swamp we are forced to swim in.

If she can somehow become leader of the Conservative Party

I can’t see how that can happen now

You’re joking aren’t you? She’s an absolute shoe-in after this. Even more so after the whole Rwanda thing is deemed unlawful tomorrow

She’s going to weaponise all this shit. She already has. She’s a dead cert as next Tory leader, brought to you by the same old senile racists who delivered you Liz Truss as PM

Ernesto, I’ll buy you a beer with my winnings when my bet pays out at 9/1

Suella understood what the British voter thought

Erm….. the overwhelming evidence, including from actual election results, is that British voters are actually moving to the left.

Braverman has, in contrast, tried to move the Tory Party in the opposite direction, to the right.

Which explains why every attempt to fire up a culture war has been a flop for the Tories.

And why the Labour Party has maintained a solid and consistent 15-20% lead over the Tories for months, if not years.

Mogg, unsurprisingly, is talking shite.

Never underestimate how much some people want to be PM. Even if only for a short while.

its literally a salary for life, just look at what the lettuce gets every year 

As ever the politician is as much a symptom as the catalyst. Braverman has been a vehicle to allow the nastier side of a lot of the public to be vindicated in their vile beliefs. Whilst not here (because we are largely fine upstanding examples of the Wokerati) there are millions of potential votes UK that like oversimplified racist abusive. In many ways its not the scum at the top of the pile that worries me the most, but the swamp we are forced to swim in.

That’s an interesting analysis. And invokes a chicken and egg situation. Are so many people a bit racist because it’s an inherent human characteristic, or because of social conditioning? Nature v Nurture. I prefer to think that people are generally ok themselves, and it’s the environment they’re in that shapes their thinking and rationale. Xenophobia is a base fear in all of us, for sure, but it’s how we confront that fear that determines how we end up racist or not. And by that, I’m not implying that racism is a binary phenomenon; one can be slightly prejudiced, or downright hateful, and all shades of grey in between, in my opinion. I don’t believe anyone is truly without any form of prejudice though. But environment is so crucial; if you grow up in London for example, go to school with kids of all different backgrounds, and form long term relationships with such people, you’re probably less likely to be so phobic than if you were raised in a poor, white working class community in a rural area for example. Massive generalisation and simplification, but you get the idea. But the tories love to work on people’s base fears, helping to encourage xenophobia is essential for the divide and rule elitism they espouse.  People like Braverman amplify those fears still further, to the point of inciting real hatred.  That video of those guys in the train station; screaming ‘we were ****ing born here!’ as though that somehow entitles them beyond others. Very disturbing. But if you can get everyone thinking like that, it’s far easier to compartmentalise, and ultimately, control them. Blinded by hatred for one another, they won’t see just how much they are being manipulated and exploited for the benefit and power of others. Hence the vital importance for dialogue and discourse.

She’s a dead cert as next Tory leader, brought to you by the same old senile racists who delivered you Liz Truss as PM

LOL! Thanks for pointing that out!

Yeah the Tories did so well when they chose a leader that didn’t last as long as a fresh lettuce…..the voters came flocking and the Tories suddenly became dramatically more popular than Labour!

They are bound to make exactly the same mistake masterstroke, all over again!

She’s not going to replace Sunak this side of an election, why would she want to take over then be responsible for a tory wipeout?

1: She can claim she didn’t have enough time to turn the tanker around, thanks to Inaction Man not circumventing those beastly judges as he promised her. If he’d been a proper Tory, and he’d kept his promises to Suella, then the boats would’ve been stopped and election victory assured, or some bullshit like that.
2: Even if that doesn’t work, she’s ‘Former Prime Minister Suella Braverman’ for the rest of time. Liz is doing nicely out of her speaking engagements, and still somehow appears to be influential in the party.

Binners has quite a good track record on this.

The Liz! Truss! thread in particular is worth a quick revisit if anyone needs a reminder.

The *members* will make the same mistake, because they all believe that Truss was brought down by the pinkos in the City, or the Civil Service, or … whatever. Her genius plan would have worked, it wasn’t given a chance.

The only thing that could stop them, is not allowing them the choice. As with Sunak’s coronation. Whether there are 100 MPs prepared to support her…that may depend on the alternative, and the specific situation when they are called on to decide.

Binners has quite a good track record on this.

Three rules of modern British life: Mrs Binners for sports bets, Mr Binners for political bets, never drink in a flat-roof pub.

Worth remembering the groundswell of support for disgraced ex-pm Liz Truss at conference. She was a hit speaker. Her bizarre ‘anti-growth coalition’ conspiracy theories are actually more popular within the party structure than you might think. They are inward-looking, entrenched, and utterly barmy.

She might be focusing so much to appeal to the membership that she overlooks one fundamental issue – she needs to be on the voting slip for leadership, presumably after an election that could well wipe out many of her supporters. I’m not 100% sure she’s massively well liked by fellow MPs in the Tory party, especially as it could be easy to blame her for rocking the boat so close to an election.

I wonder if the 100 MP rule applies if they only have 80? Of course they can just change their rules anyway…

He’ll have been picked up from Victoria in a car of some sort. Certain routes are always kept clear/made to be easily cleared, in case of emergencies etc. Many of the roads around Westminster were clear anyway. So he could just as easily have been driven, or even helicoptered in. 

You may have confused London on a busy Saturday with Moscow in 1983, with its dedicated lanes down main roads for the Politburo.

presumably after an election that could well wipe out many of her supporters

Yeah, that’s what I was suggesting. While it might be a struggle to get to 100 nominations this Autumn, it’ll probably be even harder if the North kicks out many of the more unhinged useless Tory MPs up here who might be inclined to support her.

Of course, that 100 nominations requirement might have to be knocked down to 50 or so… if the parliamentary party are decimated at the election. [ here’s hoping! ]

That letter is truely batshit!

Binners has quite a good track record on this.

You mean like me saying it looked likely that Braverman would be sacked on Monday and not after the the court’s decision on Wednesday, whilst binners was claiming that she was in fact the real prime minister and totally in charge, with Sunak too weak to sack her? That sort of track record?

Everybody predicted that Liz Truss would win the leadership contest, because she was the frontrunner! No one predicted that she would only lasted 41 days before the Tory MPs sacked her

That letter is truely batshit!

To me at least, she is a truly disturbed individual. Sadistic. What makes a person behave like that, with zero compassion for other human beings? I know she’s not alone amongst the tories, most of them are like that, but she is off the scale. 

I wonder if the 100 MP rule applies if they only have 80?

The rules are announced by the Chairman of the 1922 Committee at the outset of the leadership election. The only aim is to whittle the contenders down to two to put in front of the members, or to one to avoid that inconvenience.

In terms of triggering the contest, it’s letters from 15% of the Parliamentary Party, so the threshold falls along with the number of MPs, so the question is could there still be enough headbangers in safe seats to trigger it, even if the Red Wall neanderthals are gone?

That letter. Wow.

I do have to say that they _must_ have known she would do that, so why the hell not actually sack her and deny her that opportunity?

so why the hell not actually sack her and deny her that opportunity?

She would have resigned anyway tomorrow after the Rwanda decision. Sunak just trying to get on the front foot by dropping a massive, dead, old-Etonian cat in front of the media.

Re: rules above

she is a truly disturbed individual. Sadistic. What makes a person behave like that, with zero compassion for other human beings? I know she’s not alone amongst the tories, most of them are like that, but she is off the scale.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

All she can do is double down, to make any concession would mean admitting, at the very least, that she is in some way wrong.

She’s not able to admit that, so double down it is!

You have to love that Suella thinks that Sunak looking at her letter of demands when she took the job is some sort if binding employment contract. He’s a politician!FFS.

Did she get a pinky promise from him. Lol

As for this brain dump of a letter, id find the whole Tory infighting situation infinitely more amusing if the Tories were in opposition.

Id like a semblance of a working government rather than this raging at the world, zombie mess.

I’m practically willing the GE to happen asap through the power of thought alone.

God, I can’t wait for boring politics to return.😁

In terms of triggering the contest, it’s letters from 15% of the Parliamentary Party, so the threshold falls along with the number of MPs, so the question is could there still be enough headbangers in safe seats to trigger it, even if the Red Wall neanderthals are gone?

Won’t need it after the election, Rishi will have to fall on his sword.

Don’t think the loons have enough numbers to force VONC before election.

She would have resigned anyway tomorrow after the Rwanda decision. 

I haven’t looked into the court case at all but Alistair Campbell was saying on his podcast that the there’s a chance the govt might actually win.

You have to love that Suella thinks that Sunak looking at her letter of demands when she took the job is some sort if binding employment contract. He’s a politician!FFS.

Depends if she has something in writing.
Breaking promises to the plebs is one thing but I suspect doing so to a fellow tory mp would be rather frowned upon by the other tory mps.

I haven’t looked into the court case at all but Alistair Campbell was saying on his podcast that the there’s a chance the govt might actually win.

If you look at the letter, it details how Rishi has been useless in both scenarios, win or lose, giving her the opportunity to flounce either way.

What makes a person behave like that, with zero compassion for other human beings?

The pursuit and consolidation of power.

^^ Yep, a very easy trap to set in truth.

The thing is, Sunak knew how this would play out but he’s calculated, probably correctly, that she doesn’t have enough support to get anywhere near a vonc. The public wont care about her letter. He knew full well she would scream and shout and there will be some political cost but it’s manageable.

She may well be the next Tory leader but by then the election will be over/ lost and he’ll be back in So Cal living his best life.

For Braverman being Tory Leader or PM is the top of the ladder, for him being PM was an interesting game to play because he had no need of a ladder. The gold plated lift has always been waiting for him. Being PM will have made him some good future contacts but it was never his end game in life.

The Rwanda case wouldn’t have got as far as the supreme Court if there wasn’t a possibility of the Gov winning.
It has now become something of a sideshow.
If the decision goes against the Gov, Starter will have yet another stick with which to beat sunak – but he needs to learn how to go in studs up after the pleasantries which could take the form of…good afternoon prime minister, I hope you’re well and having an enjoyable and productive week.
Then, metaphorically, kick sunak in the balls.

he’s calculated, probably correctly, that she doesn’t have enough support to get anywhere near a vonc

This implies the man has political awareness that thus far hasn’t been much in evidence.

^^ I’m not sure if it’s a lack of political awareness or just that fact he chased after and got a job that no sane person would want with the Tory party currently reenacting the fall of Rome. I think even the most savvy Tory leader would be in one mess or another because his party is absolutely and utterly divided. The only thing that unites the party is being terrified of being wiped out at the election but they all disagree on how to prevent that too. Lol

Ive got zero sympathy for him either way, if it wasn’t so damaging for the country I’d think it’s bloody hilarious. Be careful what you wish for etc etc.

Where does Jungle Nige fit in to all this? He was all over the Tory conference like a fungal skin infection on jabba  the hutts arse. Spot of “humanisation” ont   Telly and then lines up with Suella, Liz and Moggy for the (fentanyl withdrawal fever) dream ticket?

This implies the man has political awareness that thus far hasn’t been much in evidence.

He became prime minister.

This implies the man has political awareness that thus far hasn’t been much in evidence.

Getting where he has is pretty good evidence for it at least as far as internal tory politics are concerned.

Rwanda decision

there’s a chance the govt might actually win.

Well of course there is, judgement has not been passed yet. 😉

I can only see the court saying it’s illegal for many obvious reasons, and then an appeal, because the tories, much like trump, don’t like it when they are wrong.

This is also a very good reason for the seperation of judiciary from government.