Suella! Braverman!

I do hope that she was tweeting to wish him a speedy recovery from dickitis.

Could be a ploy by Sunak, Suella’s been foisted on him by the ERG so when he sacks her he can say it’s the will of the people.

I shall from now on be sending all my questions for the Home Secretary (a daily occurrence) to John Hayes' wife.

— Jess Phillips MP (@jessphillips) October 27, 2022

Just for the record, I've been in the same room as Suella Braverman and she is a thundering volcanic halfwit. She shouldn't be left alone near a toaster by herself never mind the home office.

— Michael Spicer (@MrMichaelSpicer) October 19, 2022

That’s the best tweet I’ve seen in a while 👍

Mi6 seem to not be best pleased with her according to the bbc pre dating her current role

Ok, this thread needs resurrecting.

Anyone watched the short vid in the tweet below? She’s being questioned by the Home Affairs Select Committee. People with a bit of empathy and intelligence and she completely crumbles.

Tying herself up in knots and then throwing a civil servant, ANY civil servant (heeellllpppp meeee!) under the bus.

Astonishing that she is/was a barrister. The obvious flaw in her logic and her gentle guide into her self made trap was a fellow Tory. I’m guessing he doesn’t think much of her either.

https://mobile.twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1595374559523471368

She passed the bar exams but her experience and claims of involvementin various high profile cases has been thoroughly de-bunked by the people she claimed to have worked with and for.
She’s a self-serving incompetent who is a proven liar with a track record to be ashamed of.
Vile.

That was beautiful to watch. 🙂

It’s nice approach work by Tim Loughton, but a competent KC would have seen the trap coming. Which is the problem, really.

I wonder how many of the people screaming about ‘illegals’ actually realise the virtual impossibility of finding a legal route to asylum in the UK?

That was beautiful to watch.

Totally, they are were squirming under direct scrutiny of the system they’ve set up.

I got home this evening just as they were starting to play that out on Radio 4 PM. I had to sit in the van and listen to the end because they gave a clue about the content. FFS, I could see that mighty trap coming from the first question! I’m guessing that Tim Loughton isn’t getting an invite to any foreign office Christmas receptions! 🤣

I don’t know how she lives with herself, and Patel. Not a shred of – I was going to say human decency, but I think I’ll go with humanity – between them.

a competent KC would have seen the trap coming. Which is the problem, really.

I had to check she was actually a KC, it was conferred due to her parliamentary role rather than any legal ability, she’s just a bog standard barrister in reality

Here’s more from the same meeting. A thorough pants down thrashing

I had to check she was actually a KC, it was conferred due to her parliamentary role rather than any legal ability, she’s just a bog standard barrister in reality

A lot like Raab. He talks like he’s some sort of legal eagle but in reality he just made the tea in a law office.

If we created some (any) proper safe routes, would this then reduce how many feel the need to try any method to reach the UK?
It seems an obvious system to explore…. And yet in 12 years of power….

I just watched that clip. My god, she’s absolutely hopeless! Evil, stupid, and incompetent.

I am off now to Fareham to slap every constituent in turn for voting her in. It’s a shame that it has to come to this, but they all deserve it.

self-serving incompetent who is a proven liar with a track record to be ashamed of.

#justanotertorynexttuesday

It’s nice approach work by Tim Loughton, but a competent KC would have seen the trap coming.

I am not sure she didnt see it coming. Its just that it was impossible to evade the trap.
If someone is so unsporting as to point out there are basically no legal routes then how can you answer it without lying or just saying “there arent any and its deliberate, problem?”.

Barristers who get into parliament get made KCs more or less automatically. I think the reason for it is to make it easier for them to re-establish a career if they lose their seat. Sweet.

If we created some (any) proper safe routes, would this then reduce how many feel the need to try any method to reach the UK?

Probably by a lot, and would also likely drive the people smugglers out of business, which they ‘say’ is the aim of trying to stop the small boats. Of course it’s not, but they can’t admit to just pandering to the racist wing of their supporters.

Barristers who get into parliament get made KCs more or less automatically

That got binned off back in the 90s.
Its only been kept for those who get one of the legal officer jobs eg she got it as attorney general and there are a couple of other positions.

It’s a shame Braverman is so uninformed because in the scenario described, there are safe and legal routes to apply for entry clearance. It’s quite staggering that she hasn’t even grasped that basic information in the time she’s been in charge, considering these issues seem to be what she is solely focused on.

would also likely drive the people smugglers out of business, which they ‘say’ is the aim of trying to stop the small boats.

I don’t know how the “16yo orphan from an African country escaping a war zone & religious persecution” which Tim Loughton is referring to gets to make their application for asylum in the UK but I can’t imagine that they would represent the sort of person targeted by people’s smugglers. How many 16 year old orphans from a war zone can afford to pay people’s smugglers?

As the current Home Secretary I think Braverman should also be challenged on the continued injustices concerning Shamima Begum. Not wanting to minimise Shamima Begum’s appalling judgement as a 15 year old, even if she was possibly manipulated and trafficked, but dispite the fact that the last 3 Home Secretary have been British Asians the whole thing stinks of racism.

I can’t imagine a similar outcome for a white Brit falling foul of UK law. Great Train Robber Ronnie Biggs wasn’t stripped of his British nationality, in fact for decades British governments demanded that he should return to the UK to face justice. I don’t see why it should be any different for Shamima Begum.

And how many young Albanian men can afford to pay people smugglers?

It’s a shame Braverman is so uninformed because in the scenario described, there are safe and legal routes to apply for entry clearance.

Which are?

I wonder how many of the people screaming about ‘illegals’ actually realise the virtual impossibility of finding a legal route to asylum in the UK?

I doubt if they care TBH,they would probably like that.

Which are?

Limited to a very few routes and countries, if I understood the committee recording properly. You need to be the right kind of refugee, obviously.

Which is why Loughton used an African country as an example and specifically stated not countries that do have a safe route.

In that case Bravermans answer should have been “we haven’t set up safe routes for those countries because they don’t need one, i.e. they do not have a case for asylum in this countries”

It’s a shame Braverman is so uninformed

I get the impression from politicians like Braverman and Raab that they are less interested in the actual day job, then by just holding the office, and the consequent power/importance that comes from that. These folks are self important, but shallow, Politics is a way to become important (and latterly rich presumably) without necessarily having to learn any skill that extends beyond Being prepared to be more a shit to your erstwhile colleagues in order to climb the greasy pole

I am off now to Fareham to slap every constituent in turn for voting her in. It’s a shame that it has to come to this, but they all deserve it.

Can you pop in on my parents? Apparently she’s an ‘excellent local mp’. I asked my mum if she’d looked at her voting record, which she hadn’t – when I ran through it quickly, she changed her mind on her pretty quickly.

I can’t imagine that they would represent the sort of person targeted by people’s smugglers. How many 16 year old orphans from a war zone can afford to pay people’s smugglers?

I don’t think you’re cut out for a  career in human trafficking

I get the impression from politicians like Braverman and Raab that they are less interested in the actual day job, then by just holding the office, and the consequent power/importance that comes from that.

This seems a fair judgement.
What’s odd is that there are excellent MP’s out there – yet being good at the day job doesn’t seem a prerequisite for higher office in the current government shambles.

What’s odd is that there are excellent MP’s out there

Are there? In the tory party?

In the scenario of the 16 year old orphan, they could potentially succeed under paragraphs 319x or 297, depending on the age and status of the UK based sibling. Even if they don’t meet the criteria, they can then appeal on article 8 (and other) grounds and have their case heard by an independent immigration judge. Those routes aren’t dependent on being from specific countries so nationality is immaterial. There are also family reunion routes for spouses and children of recognised refugees. So the routes do exist, not for everyone of course, and they do take time.

Whilst it is hard to say, Gove consistently comes across as knowing his brief. Might not like his policies but at least I don’t doubt his competence to do the work.

And #iagreewithernie that Begum is a wholly British problem. Too toxic for Braverman of course, but a serious politician would be doing something.

And if you a 16 year old are stuck in said country how do you find one of those routes, i.e. who brings you to the UK?

then appeal on article 8 (and other) grounds and have their case heard by an independent immigration judge

They have to get here first.

And as for orphans not being able to afford to pay the traffickers, try not to think for too long about who might sponsor a 16 year old and why. I’ll start you off with a few: indentured labour, sex work, organ removal (THBOR).

In the scenario of the 16 year old orphan, they could potentially succeed under paragraphs 319x or 297, depending on the age and status of the UK based sibling. Even if they don’t meet the criteria, they can then appeal on article 8 (and other) grounds and have their case heard by an independent immigration judge. Those routes aren’t dependent on being from specific countries so nationality is immaterial. There are also family reunion routes for spouses and children of recognised refugees. So the routes do exist, not for everyone of course, and they do take time.

Did the entire Tory MP / Home Secretary conversation totally pass you by, or are you been deliberately disingenuous?