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Suella! Braverman!
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1ernielynchFull Member
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/teachers-face-jail-grooming-gangs-reporting/
“Teachers, doctors and nurses could face jail if they ignore signs of grooming gangs’ sexual abuse of children under new plans”.
I didn’t even realise that the unreporting of child sexual abuse by teachers and doctors was a significant problem, I’m not sure what the role of nurses is in all of this.
But the message it sends out is very clear – we don’t trust your professional integrity. And since you might end up in jail if don’t notice signs of child sexual abuse your best bet is to throw accusations of paedophilia against people without thinking too much of the consequences.
2MoreCashThanDashFull MemberAnd since you might end up in jail if don’t notice signs of child sexual abuse your best bet is throw accusations of paedophilia against people without thinking too much of the consequences.
Because of course the Police, social services, courts and fostering sectors will be fully resourced to cope with these additional allegations*
Where will we put the kids? All the cruise ships and Rwandan hostels will be full of illegal migrants….
*I doubt many more cases will be reported, most people do report suspicions already. So another headline grabbing waste of time.
1binnersFull MemberIt’s not sinister at all, is it?
And certainly makes a mockery of Gary Linekers comparison with 1930’s Germany, with which it has not a single similarity. Thank God Suellas husband spoke out against that!
ernielynchFull MemberStill, I guess this fine racial specimen will be pleased to hear that the Home Secretary is doing something about interracial law and muslamic infidels trying to put down Iraqi law in our country, and make Britian about British again.
jambourgieFree MemberThat’s gotta be a wind-up/voice over or something 🤣
Wtf is a rape cannon? Ray guns or rape cannon? Equally surreal whatever. If I were boss of a far-right organisation I would ban that young gentleman from talking to the press. Bullyboy duties only for you young lad. And stay off the skunk.
3colournoiseFull MemberTeachers, doctors and nurses already have a professional responsibility to report any concerns (of any type) to relevant ‘external’ agencies.
Criminalising those who don’t do so (usually due to workload rather than intent) will not change anything on the ground.
The issue is what happens (or doesn’t happen) after those reports are made. All those agencies are beyond full stretch.
I guess though, it’s easier to throw blame at the public sector than try to fund it properly…
Othering is the modus operandi of the current government…
ADFull MemberThe Mirror is leading with an interesting expenses story about Suella… Unfortunately most of the other papers are loving the ‘war on woke’ BS.
MSPFull MemberThere can be very real impacts from the demonisation of certain sectors of society.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cumbria-64950862
Not that the tories give a flying **** about the hatred they spread as long as long as they get power and the rich get richer.
4DaveyBoyWonderFree MemberSuella Braverman on Port of Dover delays:
“I don’t think that is fair to say that this is an adverse effect of Brexit”The CEO of Dover Ports:
“The difference of living in a post-Brexit environment means that every passport needs to be checked before a vehicle or passenger can pass through to the EU through France. And that happens here in Dover. So it does make processing more challenging”.Everyone knows its Brexit. Pre-Brexit, passport checks at Dover involved waving everyone through and onwards into mainland Europe. Brexit kicks in and changes all that – personified by a quote from the French border control over the weekend who essentially shrugged their shoulders and said something along the lines of “bof, we are not aware of any problems at the border”. And why should they be? Now we’re not part of the EU its the same as going through passport control if flying to the States etc.
As if I couldn’t hate the Tories/Braverman anymore than I already did, I had a child on a coach at Dover over the weekend. Meant to be 0000 sailing on Saturday and eventually left at around 0000 yesterday – 24 hours (not this 4 hours reported by the BBC etc) waiting at Dover with very little supoprt in terms of food and water. Just hope a school trip he’s been looking forward to for the last 6 months turns out to be as good as he was hoping it’d be once they actually get to Austria… they’re already missing 1 day skiing.
But yes, Cruella, 24 hour queues at Dover definitely isn’t due to Brexit and the fallout from that.
3nickcFull MemberSimon Calder (the travel journalist) was all over the telly all weekend essentially saying “The is directly because of Brexit, we voted for exactly this version of a very hard border, and when further checks are introduced in November it will only get worse”
1SpeederFull MemberI can’t believe that the BBC (or other news channels) are even reporting the bull**** she’s coming out with. This is top level gaslighting of the entire nation and surely only hard core Brexiteers are believing any of it?!
1dissonanceFull MemberI doubt many more cases will be reported, most people do report suspicions already. So another headline grabbing waste of time.
Possibly why they took ten years to nick it from Starmer?
1binnersFull MemberLooks like Tommy Robinson really is writing government policy nowadays
Political correctness should never get in the way of keeping women and young girls safe.
That's why I’m leading the most robust action Government has ever taken to crack down on grooming gangs.
We will do whatever it takes to root out this evil once and for all. pic.twitter.com/vopSyUJQ7P
— Rishi Sunak (@RishiSunak) April 3, 2023
Interesting that they’ve been in power for 13 years and shown no interest in it until now and are doing it when the continued underfunding of social work and the care system continues
The Guardian were reporting last week that kids in care are being essentially dumped hundreds of miles away from their communities which is obviously leaving them as obvious targets for grooming. And lets not forget that the private companies running these care homes are making an absolute fortune while providing a truly appalling level of ‘care’
ernielynchFull MemberPossibly why they took ten years to nick it from Starmer?
Yup, as the article concluded:
However, the Department for Education said mandatory reporting was “not the answer” and there were no plans to change the law.
A spokesman for the department said: “Guidance is already crystal clear that professionals should refer immediately to social care when they are concerned about a child.
“Other countries have tried mandatory reporting and there is no evidence to show that it is a better system for protecting children. In fact there is evidence to show it can make children less safe.”
So they knew that Starmer’s suggestion was daft 10 years. However like Starmer they know the importance of feeding the press with rightwing talking points.
A quote from another barrister who knew Starmer well :
“Starmer’s enthusiasm while DPP for using mundane news events to feed the press with rightwing talking points is a possible concern for Labour members.”
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/feb/16/keir-starmer-past-scrutiny
2kelvinFull MemberPolitical correctness isn’t the problem, austerity led cuts by councils is. Teachers are already having to take the place of social workers… and on lower real term salaries and longer hours. We need more professionals in this area, that schools can call on.
5kimbersFull MemberExpect a recycled culture war issue raised each week until the local elections
Then the new policies to be quietly dropped starting the day after the vote
white101Full MemberWhat Kimbers said 100%, happens on repeat every time with the tories. A manifesto from them is such a waste of paper.
ernielynchFull MemberI can’t see why the latest proposals would be quietly dropped.
A new taskforce of specialist officers sounds as if it might cost significant money so I could see that being quietly dropped.
But mandatory reporting, tougher sentences, and ethnicity data of suspects (not those convicted apparently) sounds doable.
Okay locking people up for longer costs money but that is one area that Tories always seem happy to spend money on.
Edit: I can easily see the current government implementing much of those policies and then come the general election proudly declaring how they are the ones that are tough on paedophiles.
Unlike presumably Labour.
2MoreCashThanDashFull MemberThe Guardian were reporting last week that kids in care are being essentially dumped hundreds of miles away from their communities which is obviously leaving them as obvious targets for grooming. And lets not forget that the private companies running these care homes are making an absolute fortune while providing a truly appalling level of ‘care’
MrsMC spent election night 2019 preparing a court report so a kid could be taken into care in a placement miles from their home area at a cost of several hundred pounds a week, which certainly wasn’t being paid to the support staff. Had the local Surestart not been closed due to cuts, it would probably never reached that point.
Okay locking people up for longer costs money but that is one area that Tories always seem happy to spend money on.
Except they don’t provide extra funds even for that, don’t let them fool you
ernielynchFull MemberI’m not denying that the prison service is underfunded, but there is always enough money to keep people locked up. It’s been a while since prisoners have been released because the government run out of money.
1gobuchulFree MemberSo they have a barge!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65172368
https://www.bibbymarine.com/bibby-stockholm/
Well the information is a little confusing, it can hold 500 “guests” but it’s just been refitted to single berth for 220.
Although I know some accommodation modules can have extra bunks installed very easily.
The figures of £30,000 per day including port dues were mention on the radio. So about £130 per room, per night. Hardly a cost saving on a basic hotel.
It also currently in Italy, so at least 2 weeks away and more expense.
What a load of bollocks.
3binnersFull MemberIts the same as the Rwanda nonsense though. The way its been sold, I’m sure that in the mind of the average racist half-wit they see many packed flights a day, laden with asylum seekers who’ve been marched straight from the coast to the airport and packed off to Africa, never to be seen again.
In reality it’ll hold a couple of hundred people, tops, who will all mount legal challenges which will then take years and cost a fortune
Its not a realistic way to try and deal with the issue in any way, shape or form, but just a way of demonstrating you’re being particularly nasty to the people you’ve been busy demonising.
frankconwayFree MemberIf reporting regarding the barge is accurate, does this mean the Bibby family are complicit with the policy?
If they had any social conscience, they should -and would – say…go find another barge.kelvinFull Memberso at least 2 weeks away
Grand unveiling just before the local election vote?
And closed by year end?
gobuchulFree Memberdoes this mean the Bibby family are complicit with the policy?
At first I didn’t think so, as they sold off Bibby Offshore a few years back, however this barge is operated by Bibby Marine, still in the Bibby Group.
Although you could argue that if this is inhuman for refugees, then why is it OK for offshore workers?
1binnersFull MemberIf reporting regarding the barge is accurate, does this mean the Bibby family are complicit with the policy?
If they had any social conscience, they should -and would – say…go find another barge.There are a lot of people making a lot of money out of housing asylum seekers. In true Tory fashion I’m sure that, for all their very public protestations, they’re busy funnelling that infamous £6 million a day costs into the pockets of their mates
Channel 4 news last night had a report on a local independent hotel who had signed an exclusive contract with the Home Office to house asylum seekers, cancelling weddings and events etc that had been pre-booked. If you’re cancelling wedding bookings, surely a very lucrative business, then I doubt you’ll be doing it out of a burning desire to host refugees. I’m sure that as with PPE contracts, theres an awful lot of profiteering going on
ernielynchFull MemberLooking at the video in that link I fail to see the difference between that accommodation and a normal land based hotel.
I just looks like a suspiciously expensive way to accommodate very few people.
I can’t see how it will benefit Suella Braverman’s public approval ratings, or am I missing something obvious?
binnersFull MemberI can’t see how it will benefit Suella Braverman’s public approval ratings, or am I missing something obvious?
It keeps those pesky asylum seekers away from the natives. The channel 4 news piece I mentioned, on last night, featured a selection of nimby’s who had started protesting outside the hotel, having already concluded (with the aid of Cruella’s latest contribution to the debate, no doubt) that the asylum seekers housed their all listed their favourite activities as raping 13 year old white girls
Here you go Ernesto…
A Leicester village is divided over a hotel housing asylum seekers.
While some are welcoming, it's also drawn some angry protests.@darshnasoni reports from Kegworth.https://t.co/xeZ2fSFUYu
— Channel 4 News (@Channel4News) April 4, 2023
dissonanceFull MemberI can’t see how it will benefit Suella Braverman’s public approval ratings, or am I missing something obvious?
Generally the sort of place you can dock that isnt the sort of place where lots of tory supporters live.
I think is about the only selling point.Although given its Cruella I wouldnt rule out the plan is to get it loaded up and then sail it to Rwanda in the middle of the night (she hasnt spotted its landlocked).
2ernielynchFull MemberA Leicester village is divided over a hotel housing asylum seekers.
Currently there over 35,000 people in hotels and hostels waiting for their asylum applications to be processed, I don’t see how housing about 500 of them in a floating hotel will change things much.
Edit: I have just checked and the latest figure I can find is 45,500. So if they use the Biddy Stockholm they will only have 40,000 to worry about.
I can’t help thinking that processing asylum applications quicker might be a more worthwhile solution.
1binnersFull MemberI don’t see how housing about 500 of them in a floating hotel will change things much.
It won’t make the slightest bit of difference whatsoever, and sending 200 of them to Rwanda will have even less effect. All at absolutely enormous cost, obviously.
But this isn’t about finding solutions. Never has been. This is all about sending the message to racists that the government is on their side, seeing as they’re not allowed to do what they’d really like to do which is to drive them all back into the sea
I can’t help thinking that processing asylum applications quicker might be a more worthwhile solution.
Don’t be coming around here with your logical thinking and actual solutions! Theres no place for any of that crazy-talk in modern Britain!
1gobuchulFree MemberLooking at the video in that link I fail to see the difference between that accommodation and a normal land based hotel.
In some respects it will be better, worse in others.
The risk assessment will be interesting, the people normally living on those barges will have had safety training. The refugees probably not, I would guess that they will need evacuation drills and potentially multiple access and egress points.
I just looks like a suspiciously expensive way to accommodate very few people.
Of course it is. Anything marine based costs far more than dry land, for obvious reasons. On top of the domestic staff for catering laundry etc. they will still some technical to operate other equipment, even if connected to shore supplies for electricity etc.
It’s just a **** stupid idea, that makes no sense on some many levels. Unless you read the Mail or Express.
ernielynchFull MemberAccording to the Daily Mail a YouGov poll shows that the overwhelming majority of voters are completely unconvinced that the government’s plans will do anything to resolve the problem.
Not only that but the number of people who are unconvinced has been growing since the ‘let’s get tough’ proposals were first announced.
“On 8 March, the day after the PM announced legislation to toughen up Britain’s asylum system, 26 per cent of voters thought it was likely Mr Sunak would be able to deliver, while 59 per cent thought it was unlikely.
But in a poll conducted between 29 and 30 March, just 21 per cent of people thought the PM would be able to deliver on his promise, with 63 per cent saying he was unlikely to be able to do so.”
Of the five promises made by Rishi Sunak the “Stop The Boats” is the least attainable, voters know that, the other four are possibly doable.
He needs to stop talking about something that when the general election comes he will be judged as having failed. He needs to concentrate on the economy, I reckon his Australian advisor is probably telling him that.
dissonanceFull MemberI’m sure that as with PPE contracts, theres an awful lot of profiteering going on
Especially for the middlemen.
For some of the hotels I suspect a major advantage is the staffing needs or lack thereof.
Due to a certain event which cant be mentioned I think some hotel owners would be looking at the difficulty of making sure they have staff for all those weddings in 6 months and deciding this is a better option.BillMCFull MemberI should think they can reduce the standard of food offering, migrants being expected to accept rather less than a paying guest. Continuous occupancy must mean fewer bedlinen changes. If demand falls because of the CoL crisis, migrants become good business.
gobuchulFree Membermigrants become good business.
Does anyone know how these hotel deals work?
Do they simply rent the building and then pay Serco or similar to operate them?
Or does the original hotel management operate the hotel?
I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s the 1st one and Serco are making an absolute killing.
1DelFull Memberethnicity data of suspects
not sure if otherwise mentioned but Jess Phillips was interviewed on the news agents and reported that it’s been found that, wait for it, ethnicity of offenders broadly reflects society as a whole.
kelvinFull MemberSuella Braverman has claimed £25k for energy bills for a house she doesn't use.
Meanwhile an 87 year old woman, who worked until 82, has died from hyperthermia in her home because she was worried about the cost of heating. pic.twitter.com/nftre4zlgC
— Trades Union Congress (@The_TUC) April 4, 2023
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