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  • Suella! Braverman!
  • ernielynch
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    You can post the same pictures as many times as you want binners, it will make zero difference.

    I will continue, when appropriate, to post stuff like this:

    Croydon at centre of racism allegations over council homes

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    binners
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    In other design-related news, we’re still going for the big blocky fonts and capital letters but the primary colours have been replaced by a palette of black, red and white, because those colours have no negative connotations whatsoever when used to issue threatening messages to the populace from an increasingly authoritarian government

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    kelvin
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    “More uniformed patrols”… step one… don’t vote Conservative…

    police numbers
    [ source ]

    gobuchul
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    Apparently they are going to use offshore accommodation barges to house refugees to save money on hotels.

    I have no trouble with using accommodation barges, all the of the European based ones I have been on are perfectly comfortable.

    However, I can’t see how they can be cheaper than a Premier Inn or Travelodge?

    Harbour fees, maintenance, fuel, safety certification etc. Far more complex than a shore based facility.

    dissonance
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    I think the cost is less important than the headlines about the asylum seekers being in ten star hotels and lurking around the neighbourhoods of respectable tory voting people.

    Sandwich
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    However, I can’t see how they can be cheaper than a Premier Inn or Travelodge?

    I wonder who owns the vessels? Follow the money time.

    Also it’s about local MP’s complaining that desperate people are being housed in their constituencies.

    kelvin
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    “Prison boats” sounds Dickensian… there’s a base of voters for the Tories who like that kind of tough talk (Dickins wouldn’t be very happy to find that so many people still think this way… but he probably wouldn’t be at all surprised).

    gobuchul
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    I wonder who owns the vessels? Follow the money time.

    Once the season starts the vessels will be at !00% capacity. The Offshore Wind sector is booming and with the oil price back up there be even more demand.

    It’s absolute click bait nonsense again.

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    binners
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    When asylum seekers we’re being dumped in damp flats in the very worst areas of deprived (labour voting) northern towns, as they have been for years, nobody gave a shit.

    Now the numbers mean that they’re becoming visible in more affluent (Tory voting) constituencies suddenly there’s a desperate urgency to do something about it.

    The ‘prison ship’ idea was deemed illegal last time they floated it (no pun intended). This time they say they’re going to get round that by registering them as hotels.

    Well, I could attempt to register myself as a Ford Focus, but I doubt the law will then recognise me as a medium sized family vehicle

    It’ll never happen but it’ll be more millions spent on legal challenges. Lawyers must love Cruella Andy this lot! Plenty of them must be funding their retirements out of their recent proposals.

    They’ll probably put Chris Grayling in charge of procuring the boats, as that’s his specialist are, and we’ll be tens of billions down in no time, but still with no actual vessels

    frankconway
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    raab being interviewed on R4 Today was asked about ‘accommodation barges’ – blah, blah in response; was then asked about what these are, what they look like and when a photo would available.
    No clear responses so interviewer then said…these barges don’t exist, do they?
    You could sense raab squirming.
    As gobuchul posted ^^^ it’s click bait.

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    kimbers
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    I would expect a huge ramp up in these undeliverable, and polarising anti-migrant schemes in the run up to the local elections
    After which they will all fall apart under the weight of reality

    The Tories know that on inflation, the economy, teaching, potholes!, NHS, rail etc etc they are stuffed so culture war issues is they all they have

    ernielynch
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    The current refugee-bashing that the government is engaging in isn’t simply to distract attention away from real issues facing voters – cost of living crises, NHS waiting time, housing, etc

    It is also an attempt to blame those seeking asylum for the government’s failings in processing asylum claims.

    This will never make the headlines in the way that Rwanda and the £6million a day spent on hotel accommodation does:

    https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/home-office-asylum-hotel-accommodation-slow-decisions-inspector-borders-immigration-report/

    “The asylum system is broken, but not in the way Priti Patel claims,” Alasdair Mackenzie, an immigation and asylum lawyer, told openDemocracy. “It’s broken in that it increasingly fails to do its job of deciding claims fairly and swiftly, and she has presided over that.”

    “Ministers have prioritised headline-grabbing measures aimed at making it harder for people to get asylum in the UK, or at deterring them from applying in the first place, whilst neglecting their most basic ministerial function of making the existing system work properly.”

    So it is also about making excuses for their own incompetence over the issue, not just a distraction from all the real problems affecting voters.

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    politecameraaction
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    When asylum seekers we’re being dumped in damp flats in the very worst areas of deprived (labour voting) northern towns, as they have been for years, nobody gave a shit.

    Now the numbers mean that they’re becoming visible in more affluent (Tory voting) constituencies suddenly there’s a desperate urgency to do something about it.

    This is totally wrong. The rEfuGeE cRiSiS is a Tory attempt to win back working class voters in a way that doesn’t require any preparation or strategy or planning. Bang em up! Send em home! Sleep on barges! Pick those fruits! Plane to Rwanda! It’s not because wealthy Tory towns are being affected more than before.

    PS when people talk about “asylum seekers flooding our towns” and blow dog whistles, they’re talking about a maximum of 1.6 per thousand inhabitants. The asylum system in this country is a shitshow, but it’s not the cause of failing NHS, expensive property, underfunded schools…
    https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/where-do-migrants-live-in-the-uk/

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    binners
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    It is all of these things, everywhere, all at once

    What it most certainly isn’t is a serious attempt to actually deal with the issue

    Ex army barracks? Former RAF bases? Student halls? Now cruise ships? Rwanda? What next? Portacabins on the moon?

    The bottom line is that they haven’t got a ****ing scooby what to do with these people other than throw non-starters of ideas out there as chaff and throw some racism in to keep their base happy.

    The problem, as Ernesto has pointed out, is that the system is an absolute shambles presided over by utter incompetents who couldn’t run a bath. All these things are just increasingly desperate attempts at distraction from that glaringly obvious fact

    SQUIRREL!

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    politecameraaction
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    throw non-starters of ideas out there as chaff and throw some racism in to keep their base happy.

    It’s like the pet ASBO episode of The Thick Of It, but more bigoty

    binners
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    We are literally half a step away from the pet ASBO episode of The Thick Of It

    ‘Honest Bob’ Jenrick is due to make a parliamentary statement after PMQ’s about their latest proposals to ‘stop the boats’ so we may get there today

    Edit: Hang on a minute. I’ve just seen this from Britains leading intellectual powerhouse…

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    Poopscoop
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    You know what, with all the airtime and government energy expended on the “migration crisis” you’d think that everyone’s lives are impacted daily by immigration.

    There not been a day in my life when I’ve headed up to bed and thought, “man, what a day, it’s been utterly ruined due to immigrants.” Not one day.

    I brought this up with a guy that was actually saying on Twitter that he would willingly shoot immigrants arriving on the beaches. I asked him why he hated them so much, how had they impacted his life? He was stumped.

    Know what he came up with in the end? Too many “immigrants” on soap operas and on tv adverts. I kid you not.

    What he really meant was, non white people of course, born here or not, they were “immigrants”. It was enlightening. He had literally self radicalised with the aid of SM and the current government.

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    johnjn2000
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    There not been a day in my life when I’ve headed up to bed and thought, “man, what a day, it’s been utterly ruined due to immigrants.” Not one day.


    @Poopscoop
    . I was recently delivered a talking to by my father about how I must walk around with my eyes closed or choose not to see the problems caused by all these immigrants in the UK. He lives in Spain and gets all his information from the internet. My response to him was exactly as you stated here. He, along with many others of his generation are being bloody radicalised by the interweb FFS!

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    binners
    Full Member

    Cruella sat this one out today, presumably to avoid her now traditional ritual humiliation at the hands of Yvette Cooper.

    Instead it was over to Honest Bob* and we’re back to disused army and air force bases today, after yesterdays boats. They’re obviously alternating the two announcements on a daily basis nowadays. I wonder what it’ll be tomorrow? Caves? Hot air balloons?

    In other news: Foreign secretary James Cleverly is backing legal proceedings opposing Home Secretary Suella Bravermans proposal to house asylum seekers in his Essex constituency, as are other Tory MPs in Lincolnshire

    You really couldn’t make it up. What a bunch of ****ing clowns

    * Imagine looking at yourself in the mirror in the morning and realising your only purpose in life is to be human shield to Suella Braverman

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    theotherjonv
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    Edit: Hang on a minute. I’ve just seen this from Britains leading intellectual powerhouse…

    Interesting that the quote isn’t the caption exactly

    “I personally have no issue with portacabins or tents being used” to house asylum seekers

    Raab on R4 pointedly and repeatedly didn’t use the phrase asylum seekers. He used the phrase ‘illegal immigrants’, as i suspect Gullis would as well. I suspect there’s a mandate to use that as a stock phrase simply because it does stick, even if it isn’t true,

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    MoreCashThanDash
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    There not been a day in my life when I’ve headed up to bed and thought, “man, what a day, it’s been utterly ruined due to immigrants.” Not one day.

    That needs putting on t-shirts and posters around the land.

    Or on a bus, if it reaches the target audience

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    martinhutch
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    We’re at the ‘Daily Mail Sadface’ period of this government now. Honestly beyond ridicule.

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    dudeofdoom
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    He, along with many others of his generation are being bloody radicalised by the interweb FFS!

    Yep it’s really weird how nasty/bitter some of them get,I actually think the worst people on Facebook groups are actually the oaps.

    I watch a lot of the Spanish ones with regards to residency visas/driving licences and the the number of ‘nasty’comments is staggering the ‘I’m ok and it’s all your own fault’, they seem to exhibit zero empathy.

    dudeofdoom
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    I suppose thou a muppet is always going to be a muppet,regardless of age.

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    ernielynch
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    Gary Lineker used Nazi slurs to smear my wife….

    And the Jewish Council for Racial Equality used Nazi slurs to smear the Daily Mail, according to Jewish News:

    The Jewish Council for Racial Equality (JCORE) said it “is horrified by comments made in Parliament yesterday by the Home Secretary.

    “It is disgraceful to see a government minister repeating the language of the far-right, and referring to people fleeing conflict and torture, including child refugees, as an “invasion”.

    “To many British Jews, such appalling language is sadly familiar. In 1938, the Daily Mail condemned “the way stateless Jews from Germany are pouring into this country.”

    https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/rabbi-says-bravermans-migrant-invasion-comments-make-me-feel-pained-as-a-jew/

    Obviously “many British Jews” doesn’t include Rael Braverman, and he is perfectly happy that his wife uses language similar to that of the 1930s pro-Nazi Daily Mail, indeed he will even defend her right to do so.

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    dudeofdoom
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    Hmm I like the ‘nazi slurs’ that never happened that he’s incensed about.

    I can’t get my head around a child of refuges and a child who lost family in the holocaust supporting batshit crazy immigration policies.

    Can we apply for retroactive deportation for them to Rwanda.

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    binners
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    It really isn’t worth the time or the effort to explain to these numpties that he didn’t actually accuse anyone of being a Nazi

    They’re fully aware he didn’t, obviously, but it’s all part of their culture war agenda

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    inkster
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    Mr Braverman should know that the Holocaust happened in the 1940’s, not the 1930’s.

    He should also know that the Holocaust was the Nazi’s plan B. In the 30’s, plan A for the Nazi’s was to make the Jews of Europe stateless and deport them to an African country, (Madagascar to be precise)

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    Northwind
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    If you think there’s too many asylum seekers in the UK, what you should support is a functioning home office that can handle applications in a reasonable timescale and do it reliably.

    The share of asylum applications that received an initial decision within six months fell from 87% in Q2 2014 to 6% in Q2 2021. That’d be astonishing if you didn’t know it was deliberate, with the 6 month service being removed in 2019 and the detained fast track system removed in 2015.

    44% of all asylum appeals are succesful. That figure alone says the system’s broken, the inital decision (which as mentioned now almost always takes over 6 months) is barely more dependable than tossing a coin.

    Those are not failures- they’re the result of policies mostly championed by Theresa May, who wasn’t as blatantly awful as Braverman but who on the other hand was actually getting bad stuff done. Pretty much everything she did in office was designed to reduce the capabilities of the home office, border force etc while driving up complexity. Seems mad but here we are 10 years on and it’s worked- the system’s collapsed, beyond the point where we have any idea how to fix it, and the headlines that result are all about small boats and tories Getting Tough On Immigration. God, think of the good old days of Michael Howard.

    It’s not worked for anyone else except for the tory party, the hate media and some contracters. It’s terrible for asylum seekers of course but it also costs us a fortune. If you’re a xenophobe you should be furious, if you thought the tories would do something about what you see as a problem you should be incandescent that they’ve spent a decade carefully making it worse. But if you’re a humanitarian you should be just as angry, and the same if you have an actual brain.

    And yep we are 18th in the EU+ in terms of accepting asylum seekers. Though admittedly that figure doesn’t include all of those people trapped in the byzantian process.

    I know most people on here know this stuff but still, bears repeating.

    kelvin
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    I hadn’t realised that Braverman is at risk from the boundary changes… she might not get the Conservative nomination in the new seat that’s replaces her current one. She might join the list of MPs looking for a “safe” seat somewhere.

    binners
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    It’s not worked for anyone else except for the tory party, the hate media and some contracters

    You can add lawyers to that list

    It’s terrible for asylum seekers of course but it also costs us a fortune. If you’re a xenophobe you should be furious

    I’d love to see the figures for how much the government have spent on the legal costs involved in defending the indefensible? Policies like Rwanda, which they know will fall apart at the first legal challenge, but they plough ahead with anyway, purely to ‘send out a message’

    It must be costing billions!

    And as you’ve noted, what’s worse is they know full-well that these things offer no actual solutions, so while they carry on with their reverse-virtue-signalling the problem just gets worse and worse.

    These are peoples actual lives they’re playing games with!

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    inkster
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    “Those are not failures- they’re the result of policies”

    As much as people on here “know this stuff” this bears repeating. Again and again.

    If this is a ‘problem’ at all then it is a problem of the Governments own making.

    kelvin
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    Always good to make a mess* and claim that only you have a plan to clean it up. Doesn’t really work without plenty of media support though. Will they stick with it…? (Sadly, the answer is most likely yes)

    [ *deliberately in my opinion, but that’s only opinion ]

    colournoise
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    Hmmmnnn. Home Secretary of Indian Hindu descent ignores one of the findings of her own department’s report to demonise UK Pakistani Muslims. Who’d have thunk it?

    binners
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    The government line is now indistinguishable from Tommy Robinson and the EDL. That’s the point we’re now at folks. That’s the inevitable destination of their culture war

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    BillMC
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    “If a person has ugly thoughts, it begins to show on the face. And when that person has ugly thoughts every day, every week, every year, the face gets uglier and uglier until you can hardly bear to look at it.

    A person who has good thoughts cannot ever be ugly. You can have a wonky nose and a crooked mouth and a double chin and stick-out teeth, but if you have good thoughts it will shine out of your face like sunbeams and you will always look lovely.”

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    Northwind
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    Suella Braverman on Port of Dover delays:
    “I don’t think that is fair to say that this is an adverse effect of Brexit”

    The CEO of Dover Ports:
    “The difference of living in a post-Brexit environment means that every passport needs to be checked before a vehicle or passenger can pass through to the EU through France. And that happens here in Dover. So it does make processing more challenging”.

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    binners
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    This obviously played well with the racists this morning so they’ve gone all in and Tommy Robinson now appears to be writing government policy

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    MoreCashThanDash
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    Let’s not mention that statistically, vulnerable kids are more at risk from their white family members than foreign grooming gangs.

    But then you’d have to fund children’s services properly to address it, rather than slash funding for 12 years and leaves thousands of kids at risk

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    binners
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    Let’s not start letting inconvenient facts be getting in the way of some good, old fashioned dog whistle foghorn racism

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