- Stu McGroos lets put this Alfine weight issue to bed once and for all thread!
- Stu McGrooMember
If you don’t care much for Alfine hub gears you’d better hit your back button and go and look at something more interesting.
Right then, I built this
gas pipeInbred 29er with 30 speed SLX a few months ago with a view to switching to Alfine 11 speed when it came out. Now having put 2 or 3 hundred miles on it and never once leaving the middle ring I decided that the 8 speed Alfine would actually fit the bill coupled with the fact that I just couldn’t be bothered to wait any longer for the delayed 11.
Now as there has been much talk and opinion, informed or otherwise, about the extra weight of an Alfine set-up over conventional gearing I wanted to get a direct weight and weight shift comparison between derailleurs and Alfine so decided to utilise as many existing parts on the bike as possible.
So, to start, the weight of the bike with the 30 speed SLX gears was
Then I removed;
XT rear hub, XT skewer, 32 x 290mm spokes and stainless nipples, 11-34 10 speed cassette, 10 speed chain, SLX rear mech, SLX front mech, standard SLX chainrings, left and right SLX 10 speed shifters and cables and 2 zip ties.
Alfine 8 speed hub with 20T Alfine Sprocket and fitting kit, 32 x 285mm spokes and stainless nipples, Alfine 8 speed trigger shifter and cable, BETD Goldtec 32T chainring, 4 x 5mm spacers (to get chain line and utilise standard chainring bolts) and SRAM PC7X Chain.
Weight of bike with Alfine was
However, that was all done at my mates (weighed with the gear cable wrapped round the handle bars), next day at home I came to set the gears up and found the gear cable was way too long, shortened it by 480mm and weighed in (at the post office) what I removed at 19 grams which converts to 0.04 lbs and brings the total bike weight down to
So to summarise, my bike with 8 speed Alfine is 0.01 lbs (0.008 lbs or 0.13 oz or 3.68 grams to be exact) heavier than the when it was equipped with 30 speed SLX which I think you’ll agree is diddly squat.
Surprised? Yeah me too. On reflection, you pick up an Alfine hub for the first time and you’re shocked at the weight and immediately start wondering if you’re doing the right thing but that’s because almost all of the complete system is there in your hands. As you’re removing your conventional components they weigh very little but put them in one box to carry to your van and viola, there’s all your weight!
And yes, you could argue that compared to XTR the Alfine is heavy and rightly so but you’re in a different market altogether, Alfine was designed for a shopping bike not to win World Cup MTB races and costs accordingly.
Anyway, now the weight shift. Suspended the SLX equipped bike from the garage ceiling like this
with a single tie to the top tube adjusted to find the point at which the bike was balanced horizontally, this was measured along the top tube at 190mm from the front of the seat tube.
Did the same with the Alfine equipped bike
this time the balance point is 157mm from the front of the seat tube.
Not terribly scientific but showed a rearward shift in the balance point of 33mm. Again, because of all the previous talk this was a bit of a surprise too but in actual fact if you put an innertube and a few tools in a wedge pack under your seat you’ll get the same result!
Actually, while I’m here I might as well talk about gear ratios. Fitted 32T chainring and 20T rear sprocket, this gives me the same range as a middle ring x 1-9 + granny ring x 2 on my previous SLX set-up. Though I’ve never used granny on the SLX I’ve erred on the side of caution just in case. If I find I’m not using the lowest ratio I’ll switch to 32:18 which will give me the full middle ring range equivalent albeit with 2 less ratios (i.e. larger gaps) which will suit me fine.
So there you go, I’m gonna go and ride the thing now and let you lot digest and discuss.
Oh, and here is the finished article.
Posted 7 years agopsychleMember
Nice bike! 8)
And good post Stu, awesome geekery at it’s finest – a really good thread to be able to point folk to when they ask about the whole alfine thing!
Another myth/rumour to attempt to dispel is the one about all the mass being concentrated at the end of the bike affects handling etc…Posted 7 years agoChrisSMember
Another myth/rumour to attempt to dispel is the one about all the mass being concentrated at the end of the bike affects handling etc…
Except IMHO it does. I have an alfine equipped cannondale badboy that I commute on every day and the concentration of weight at the rear hub is definitely noticeable when bunny hopping up kerbs or over speed bumps.
Don’t get me wrong it’s still a fab choice for commuting though, especially in this sort of weather.Posted 7 years ago
Nice post…lovin my alfine 8 spd on the fatbike after 2 years beach riding its fault free…and theres another going onto the 29er in the New Year…nothing worse than mechs jammed with grass and mud.Posted 7 years ago
I reckon if you fit an Alfine and get even 2 years before a problem your still no worse cash wise if you cost a hub compared to mechs,cassette,chainrings etc…
and you will have miles more chain life from an inline chainline 😮
pity you also hadnt done 25,000 miles fault free riding on a Gates belt drive too then that would of been job done well and proper 😉SpokesCyclesMember
It wasn’t the mass distribution so much as the drag that made me give up on hub gears. It was demoralising.
In the process (I did swap a lot of bits and it was a Rolfharris so more than an alpine) I saved about 3lbs (original bike weight was 32lb, down to just over 29lb now).Posted 7 years ago
drag? as in when freewheeling?Posted 7 years ago
my bike had more drag with the previous Hope pro 2 than the Alfine 8 speed…
granted the Alfine 8 speed aint perfect with the gap between ratios but for me anyway reliability and low maintenance combined with a clean driveline and no clogged mechs has been great 😮SpokesCyclesMember
Not freewheel drag but because the Rolf has 2 sets of planetary gears the lower set (gears 1-7) have noticeably more resistance to pedalling than the harder set.
I decided that on my type of bike it wasn’t worth it- I don’t have sufficient problems with drivetrains- but on a lighter weight bike and in the right situation I can see why they’re better.Posted 7 years ago
Why 200 grams for a 15mm spanner?, just carry one of those machined pressed alloy multi fit spanners…think there old things but they fit and work 😮Posted 7 years ago
An Alfine takes about 5 seconds longer to remove with the cable than a bolt up single speed hub too…just something alot of folk complain about that really isnt a issue 😉lucienMember
Just to add to the Alfine debate, I’ve been riding mine since Sept and can confirm the following additional scientific facts
KM’s covered 1065.40
Hours Ridden 62 hrs 50 min 50 secs
Used 29 times
Cleaned – Once (well hosed down the mud)
1 bottle green chain oil
1 X 9 speed jockey wheel (to replace damaged one, used a standard Shimano one, and seems to work fine)
Don’t really care what it rides like, weight distribution, spacing between gears blah, blah, blah – it’s the CASH savings I’ve been going for
So……still going strongPosted 7 years agoJon TaylorSubscriber
All we need now is a belt driven close-ratio alfine for the road!
ir_bandito to the thread, someone has been listening in on us… 👿
however al – having used my alfine commuter for 7 months now…. you’re dead right. also need an appropriate frame.
hmmm. get this off to Kingdom bikes, Paul and I’ll take the credit thanksPosted 7 years ago
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