Also I don’t see the extra stiffness of 2fo’s as any kind of benefit given the size of the contact patch flat pedals have . Stiffness is only really any kind of benefit with tiny spd pedals which is not what we are talking about here .
To a point but I find 5 10 Freerider soles too flexible and they end up hurting my feet on longer rides. They’re my go to shoe for uplift days though because the grip is so good.
I prefer the new Impacts for proper riding because the sole is stiffer but they’re still grippy as. The Giro Jackets I bought were great when broken in but they’re rarely on offer so didn’t replace them.
The Spesh shows look but but I’m concerned about less than great reviews because the grip doesn’t appear to be amazing.