[Closed] So those on-one Titus frames...

Yes - they are offering them at £799 with an air CCDB 😯

Bet we will see several shockless el guapo frames on ebay soon!

any good? - yes.

for the money on-one are asking they're chuffing ace.

These and the megas are amazing value at the moment, ccdb air alone is about £500 on the el guapo.

Titus are great frames; they were very much a boutique brand and their product hasn't changed since On One have taken over. My SuperMoto was a fantastic handling bike, possibly the best 4-bar I've ridden. That El Guapo is a genuine bargain.

Same factory. Same materials. Same linkages and bearings.
I twiddled the ride geometry a little but that's it.

as mildred ex supermoto owned, a beast of a bike but great climber and great suspension.....paint was chippable but just a great designed bike.

El Gap have they/on one slackened the head angle and steepened the seat tube?

Brant - will full builds with CCDB be available?

Anyone know what the 'Super Raw' finish looks like?
Shiny silver or more matt/grey?
Pics would be good.

I'm hoping the Super Raw looks like the Scandal with laser'd logos....

/like the missus will let me buy one 🙄

can anyone tell me what the i2i and stroke of a shock for a titus frame is please?

215x63

ooh, same as my heckler, might be a cheap way of getting a ccdb...

edit, then again, i should probably just flog the heckler!

as mildred ex supermoto owned, a beast of a bike but great climber and great suspension.....paint was chippable but just a great designed bike.
El Gap have they/on one slackened the head angle and steepened the seat tube?

According to the website yes. Top tube is longer, head angle is 67 degrees, seat tube is 72.5 degrees and BB height is 5mm lower.

Brant, I can see that the website says optimum fork length is 150/160mm, but would it take up to 180mm? I ask because I've got some particularly nice marzocchi 66 rc3ti that I'd like to keep.

That's just bonkers cheap.
Shows you how much margin there is in all the other US owned Taiwanese built frames.

Brant, I can see that the website says optimum fork length is 150/160mm, but would it take up to 180mm? I ask because I've got some particularly nice marzocchi 66 rc3ti that I'd like to keep.

Ed's running 170's with a slackset. 180's would be OK but try and get an internal lower cup to keep it sensible?

That's just bonkers cheap.
Shows you how much margin there is in all the other US owned Taiwanese built frames.

The El Guapo's are also one of the more expensive Taiwanese frames I've done. More than, well, other frames, eh.

The superplastic forming on the top tube and back end adds $$$ but works so nicely.

The difficulty is getting to ride one. I've not got on well with specialized 4-bars in the past, but people's views of the Cotic Rocket and this seem to suggest they aren't in the same bracket as Specialized.

i need one of these. so i'm gonna get one. might be a while before i can afford to build it though! ha.

Some of the other colour options (sort of) here - http://www.shedfire.com/2012/04/27/nearly-ready-el-g-mk-x/

I've not ridden an elGuapo but my SuperMoto was fantastic. Up until owning that I'd stayed away from 4-bar bikes because whenever I rode any specialized and a mates 5 spot they felt horrible - mushy, energy sapping, unstable around the sag point, and just dead.

I'd always had single pivot bikes (mostly Orange & Cannondale), and loved the lively feel, instant feedback & their ability to somehow gain speed through rolling singletrack.

The best analogy I can come up with is that the SuMo felt just like this but without the locking up over braking bumps, great traction on technical climbs etc. I've no idea why but guess it must be pivot placement that influences this. To me they're the manufacturer that showed me how a good 4-bar should feel.

The Rocket's not a four bar is it? The Hemlock was, but the Rocket is a linkage actuated single pivot, I think.

Just be aware that although these are great value, if you have any problems they can take a long long time to resolve 🙁

Just for balance dropoff, I had a problem that was resolved in a reasonable and timely manner...

And I'm very pleased for you 🙂

I was tempted before, having seen those pictures of those new colours both the raw and white look lovely. Now which would go best with a set of grey fox 36s?

Oooh, that raw finish looks beautiful.

I've just picked up a used FTM in burnt orange
I was heading down th Yeti route again but was swayed towards this
Looks lovely in the flesh with the anodised finish and am expecting a coupl of hours in the man cave tonight spannering

Anyone got a view as to how the El Gaupo compares to a Lapierre Spicy in terms of ride?

Anyone know if they have plans to offer the carbon FTM with an upgraded shock

That raw frame looks spot on ........I don't need one......I don't need one......I don't need one......I don't need one......I don't need one......I don't need one......I want one.......

Anyone know if they have plans to offer the carbon FTM with an upgraded shock

There are no plans to do so.

How does sizing pan out? I'm normally bang in the middle of med / large at just under 6 foot. Normally ride an 18 / 19" hardtail

My FTM is a medium, which has a 19" centre to top seat tube and a 22 1/2" top tube.
With a 80mm stem and 750mm bars it fits me a treat at 6'2" with a 31" inside leg.
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That's handsome Bernaard

Mate has one a year or so old. Look fab. Top Tubes a bit short for me sadly. Awesome value tho!

I have an x-carbon at sub 24lb which is an amazing trail bike with 120's. Very interested to know when the EG 29er is going to be available (Brant?) it looks like it will build into a bit of a weapon and if priced similarly to the 26 frame will be extremely popular.

the top tube "titus" logo needs to curve to follow the top tube, looks like a cheap ebay sticker kit has been put on an otherwise nice frame. IMHO etc, but seems a very cheap and minor detail to spoil something with.

The raw looks terrific, the CCDBair deal is insane. 22.5" TT on a 19" ?! wow that it short, makes a Santa cruz look long (my Nomad was 22.5" on a 17", current Alpine 160 is 22.5" on a 16").

Not sure where you're getting your numbers from:-

Geometry:
TT: 575mm (S), 595mm (M), 615mm (L)
ST: 425mm (S), 457mm (M), 493mm (L)

So Medium = 457mm seat tube, which is an 18in seat tube, with 23.43in top tube.

Stanley must have written the numbers on the tape measure wrong then
Although I am measuring a FTM not one of those el thingmys

Still rides nice though 8)

Ah. I'm sorry. I misread. Those numbers I quoted are the new El Guapo numbers.

8)

Any info on a likely 29er El Guapo launch?

bb height?

cheers.

29er launch planned November with complete bike with XX1 and frames too.

BB height is 1.8mm above wheel centre.

Cheers, one more Q. Could you tell me the shock bushing dimensions (length, diameter, size of bolt)?

Shock mount is 22 x 8mm. Bushing diameter is whatever shock you have. Kinda.

brant, what's the rear measurements please? if i want to use my current rear pro 2 hub (that's currently qr), what will i need to convert it to?

rear axle is a standard 135x10 QR.

Thanks for the info Brant. Wish you hadn't just dropped XX1 into the equation though, better go and see what's in the piggy bank.

excellent news, thanks!

I am trying to do a "nice" build with XX1 for about £3.5K without being stupid. CCDB, Reverb, decent wheels, XX1 drivetrain.

Very interested to see the final spec on that, possibly with another option in place of the CCDB.

Very interested to see the final spec on that, possibly with another option in place of the CCDB.

Well on current form it'll be that or a Monarch RT3. Though on that model I think I'm just going for CCDB.

Shock will be a 190x50 on the 29er btw.

Brant, do you have reach&stack figures for the 2013 El Guapo? I'm 6' with a 33" inseam, long body but short arms - thinking with the lengthened TT that a Med/18" would be suitable as it comes in the same ETT as a large Mega. Those XT builds are damn good value, would you be offering them with a Lyrik/36 up front at all?

I'm sold on one of these I think, but struggling to work out if the CCDB is really worth 33% more than what seems a decent enough Rock Shox shock. Has anyone experience of both or sciency stuf to convince me to part with the extra?

Brant, could you let me know what the head tube length would be combined with a smootie mixer head set please. I just want to be sure my current forks will fit (190 mm steerer). Also when might you have pictures of full frames. Cheers.

Idiot.. You want a medium. Completes with X9 and Reverb and Lyrik air coming at ace price.
Dave. Will check head tube dims tommorow. Can't remember and don't want to open laptop.

Rt3 are good shock, but if you want to smash through stuff then CCDB is better. For just riding around, a Monarch is fine.

Brant can I ask with regards to to the racer x, putting a 120 mm fork on how much will it alter the angles..from 71 degrees to.....?

Any plans to revamp the racer x as you have the el gaupo?

Thanks

Brant.......rather disappointing you didn't take the opportunity to check with dropout what his problems were regarding getting problems resolved.

Keeping a customer happy should be priority surely ??

Dropoff even.......blooming predictive text

brant - Member
I am trying to do a "nice" build with XX1 for about £3.5K without being stupid. CCDB, Reverb, decent wheels, XX1 drivetrain.

Shudder to think what XX1 will cost - £400 for the cassette?

Better frame pics - http://www.shedfire.com/2012/07/17/new-colour-el-guapos-in-now/

Thought Dropoff's issue had been resolved by our returns/customer service team. If it hasn't, I will try and assist of course.

Shudder to think what XX1 will cost - £400 for the cassette?

OE cost is 40% more than the SRAM Red cassette.

Think I may need to scratch my new bike itch quite soon and these look like cracking value.

Not being a brand or bike I am overly familiar with, am I correct in thinking that these are comparable with a Nomad? Has anyone ridden both to compare?

hughjayteens - there's a few people commenting vs Nomad here:
http://forums.mtbr.com/titus/el-guapo-owners-can-you-help-me-out-nomad-el-g-793282.html

i like the look of the el guapo/CCDBair. If i ever choose to get a new bike, i think that will be a major contender.

Really like the look of those so I think I'll bite the bullet on the CCDB. Brant, do you have the headtube length, preferably with the smoothie mixer, just want to be sure I wouldn't need a new fork too.

Thanks

brant - Member
I am trying to do a "nice" build with XX1 for about £3.5K without being stupid. CCDB, Reverb, decent wheels, XX1 drivetrain.

How about a version with Lyriks rather than the inevitable Rev's?

They would go with the CCDB much better in the 'bashing through stuff' category.

How about a version with Lyriks rather than the inevitable Rev's?

That's what's confusing me at the moment - everything I've read seems to suggest the frame is much better suited to 'big' forks, i.e. Fox 36s or Lyriks, but this build (and the one tested by WhatMTB) use Revs. Can't decide whether there would be any discernable difference for typical trail (centre) riding.

Those new pics Brant posted probably don't do the raw finish justice - they looked MUCH nicer in the photos where they were just hanging in the factory.

How about a version with Lyriks rather than the inevitable Rev's?

Shame that there is not a 135x12 or 142.5x12 drop out frame

Headtube length: 102mm (S), 102mm(M), 118mm (L)

Shame that there is not a 135x12 or 142.5x12 drop out frame

Yes. But it really doesn't seem to hamper it. Back end very solid.

Yes but I have a 135x12 ck hub.

Yes but I have a 135x12 ck hub.

chris king and yes they do. but I would rather just buy a frame that has that style drop out or buy a frame which has a 12 x 142.5 drop out and purchase that adapter. Then go backwards.

OE cost is 40% more than the SRAM Red cassette

That still makes a replacement cassette the best part of £200 by my calculation, and I regard them as a consumable item - in muddy conditions (and we've had some of them recently) I seem to get through them quicker than tyres.

That helps my decision making - I was hovering over the buy button for a CCDB frame, then started thinking that the 29er with XX1 looked worth waiting for. A bit of Googling now tells me that the CCDB expects a service every 100 hours and you can't do it yourself so the 26 inch frame with the Monarch is looking very attractive. Just need Mrs R's approval on the colour!

that raw finish makes it look like its made out of recycled terminator...do want.

dribble....

Sorry - I was talking about the 29er complete El Guapo I'm working on right now

Boo.

AlexSimon - Member

hughjayteens - there's a few people commenting vs Nomad here:
http://forums.mtbr.com/titus/el-guapo-owners-can-you-help-me-out-nomad-el-g-793282.html

Interesting reading. I fancy a changing my ML8 for something new and shiny, but as it's used as a mini DH and Alps bike, I'm unsure if going from 165mm travel to 155mm would be a move in the wrong direction.

The weight and angles are very similar, but maybe a slackset El Guapo with some Talas 180s could be a nice option.