so just weighed my new hi spec build and was erm well…dissapointed

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ahead of its first full ride tommorow i did a bit of last minute tinkering and suddenly thought to myself, this feels kinda heavy which prompted me to get the bike scales out, now im not a weight weenie by any means but at 27.2 lb isnt this a little heavy for a short travel full susser?

in terms of weight saving only the stem and chainset would make a real saving.
am i expecting to much?

It’s all that extra cable you have going on out front…

🙂

you cant see all the spec here so

frame obvioulsy st4
brakes xo trail carbon
cb cobalt wheels
answer pro taper carbon bars
x fusion hi lo
dmr vault
xo shifters and type 2 mech
henge saddle
nevegals

work in progress = on off stem and slx chainset both which i will swap out at somepoint but cant see them making a lot of difference weight wise.

as i said im not a weight weenie but i thought this would come out sub 25lb

What tyres are they. If your worried about the weight you could always run a normal seat post 🙂

Frame weight is around 7lbs… I think you are expecting a little too much!

Could probably save a fair bit of weight on those pedals if you went SPD

ahh teasel what you cant see from the picture is those bars are a metre wide and the cable is needed ( either that or im a lazy sod and havnt bothered to shorten the cables yet) 😆

It’s short travel but the frames built to be ridden hard. Marin did the same thing with the new rift zone a couple of years ago but just like Orange discovered that most bikes are bought based on statistics rather than the experience of riding them.

Won’t save much on the slx chainset, the hi-lo dropper is heavy is it not.

Does it come in that colour as standard as I quite like that!

cheers shindiggy im not worried about the weight just expected it to be a chunk lighter with the spec and when i picked up the frame it felt mega light.

wheels and tyres arent light, seatpost aint light as well

i actually bought the frame of here second hand but had just had new bearings and a respray at orange, have to say wasnt sure on colour but love it now. to answer the question i think its a custom colour.

Your dropper weighs over 1lb. Your Nevegals, what do they weigh?

If you want to drop some weight, ditch the dropper post, stick a carbon stem on, ditch the tyres for Bontrager XR4 tubeless – I’m willing to guess that would get you down to 25lbs.

I’ve just ordered a proper weight weenie machine. The weight wait is killing me….

yep i know the seatpost weighs a chunk, was pretty sure the wheels came in pretty light though

Hilo seatpost will add 0.5lb easily over a light alloy or carbon one.

Lock on grips will be ~100g so you could save 50g plus by switching to foam grips.

How heavy are dmr vault pedals?

As per conan257, ST4 frames aren’t light compared to other 100mm frames. Eg. Scott Spark, Giant Anthem, SC Superlight etc.

Don’t forget, manufacturer’s quote bike weights without pedals, if you’re comparing….

looking at your build you’ve speced high end bits on the parts that dont save much weight…

ie: high end brakes, bars, stems dont save much weight – combined will save less than a pound over cheaper parts.

The dropper post will add almost 3/4lb over a simalar priced standard post.

Weigh it with the pedals off and you’ll also instantly save a pound – just like the manufactures….

lol at fizzicist

I’ve just ordered a proper weight weenie machine. The weight wait is killing me….

what is it

ST4’s aren’t exactly lightweight are they I seem to remember?
Dropper seatpost will add a fair bit. Heavy pedals and cranks.
Seems a mish mash of heavy/light parts. Big flat pedals and dropper posts don’t really go hand in hand with weight weenie builds.
27lb seems pretty reasonable to me.

as i said im not a weight weenie but i thought this would come out sub 25lb

You should’ve done like most on STW, and just posted a picture and said it weighed ‘about’.

You’d be hard pressed to get a FS at sub 25lb, and then only a short-travel carbon one.

You now need to sweat the detail; Ti bolts, cut the cables/hoses down, single bolt lock-ons etc

pedals and post, granted

rather than me saying my bike is heavy i should have really asked what do other people short travel bikes weigh in comparison.

im used to heaving heavier bikes around but i just expected this to come together much lighter than it has even with peddles and post

paulo6624 – Member
lol at fizzicist

I’ve just ordered a proper weight weenie machine. The weight wait is killing me….
what is it

Cube Reaction GTC SL 29er. Should be a bit different from the 575…

nice, have to say 575 is my all time most wanted bike but for some reason ive never owned one but i always drool over them

Sub 25lbs (by a matter of grams) on this 140mm travel Mojo SL with the reverb post, well under 24lbs with a standard post, 5.5lbs carbon frame with full xtr and mavic slr wheelset though so quite pricey.

Yours is a very decent weight for an orange though?, as long as it rides well then you’ll never really notice an extra lb or two, nice colour as well.

Cassette?

wow soma that is thing of beauty, not often i see a bike that i think i would own that and change nothing about it.

does it ride as nice as it looks?

i bet it does

My 575 is a smudge over 28lbs but I’m quite happy considering its the alloy one and I haven’t got anything mega-light or really expensive on it. The Roval wheels seem a lot lighter than my mates’ hope hoops though!

Lost the rear mud guard now..
Edit- 28.2 Ibs btw..

cassette = xo so possibly a few grams going xx

nice al, the rovals are excellent you have just reminded me i have a brand new set in the shed i need to move on 142+ rear though grr

If you wanted a light bike you shouldn’t have bought an Orange.
Ride it, enjoy it. Don’t put it on scales, you will always be disappointed 🙂

Most bike weights are either a) inaccurate or b) lies. You could take a couple of lbs out of that without massive effort, by fitting xc-light tyres and wheels and binning the dropper, etc but then it won’t do the job as well. Basically that frame’s never going to be the right start for a very light build, so once you accept that, it makes sense to make sure everything else is durable to complement its capabilities, rather than light to try and make it light, and undermine the whole thing.

Nevegals aren’t super-light but they’re light for the job they do, pretty good choice IMO. Considered 1×10?

paulo6624 – Member
im not worried about the weight……

Yeah yeah….. 😉

paulo6224, like others have said once a bike is rolling on the trail the weight (within a lb or two anyway) is rather immaterial to perception of how it rides – your orange just looks “right” the way it is.

And the Mojo ain’t mine – on bike shop/mechanic wages i couldn’t afford this, we just finished it today for a customer – i only took it for a ride up n’ down the street to check the gear indexing, it does wheelie like nothing else though as do all mojo’s for some reason, the DW/lopes linkage is so smooth in action that you can practically trackstand on the rear wheel.

We’ve built quite a few custom mojo’s recently, see this thread for a few more

It’s pretty much my dream, do it all bike now- after years of careful part shopping, selling other bikes and bits, saving up etc..
Now, a full carbon one would be nice.. as would xtr, or how about an sb66 now we’re on the subject of carbon?
Anyways, its a great bike, has handled everything I’ve given it, and whenever anyone lifts it up they comment on how light it is, so I’m happy with it.
Honest..

As always, the devil is in the detail if you want a light bike.

My SB66C is bang on 27lbs on the nose, with a Reverb & Fox 36, but it’s an ‘all in’ build. I can’t really save any more weight without running silly tyres.

I reckon you could get that close to 25lbs, but it will cost you probably the same again to save that little bit of weight, so probably not worth it.

My SB66C is bang on 27lbs on the nose, with a Reverb & Fox 36, but it’s an ‘all in’ build. I can’t really save any more weight without running silly tyres.

We’d need to see a picture on scales to believe that.

If you’re starting with a 7lb frame then you’ve done pretty well to get down to a 27lb build.
My S-Works Enduro carbon frame weighs 5.5lb and the full bike comes in at about 27.5lb, although its running 2.3″ tyres and reliable rather than lightweight components.
Anything around 27-28lbs is a pretty good weight for a full suss, unless you’re willing to throw silly money at it.

We’d need to see a picture on scales to believe that.

Damn Marsh Guard has added some timber…

That’s not bad! FWIW, the frame weighs the same as my Marin Quad 140, which only ever got down to 29.9lb in it’s absolute lightest guise.

I’ve a Spesh Camber, with Revelations, XT cranks/mechs/shifters and Hope Pro 11 on 719s running tubeless, which tips the scales at about 28lbs – that’s without a dropper post and running Spesh S-Works tyres. You’ve done pretty well there.

I do love the colour too.

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You’ll save about 50g switching from SLX to XT cranks…really not worth the hassle. I’d stick with it or swap out the dropper post for bragging rights.

I’m a known weightweenie, titanium bolts and suchlike but the real skill isn’t in light weight, it’s in light but fit for purpose… My Hemlock’s gradually getting heavier again, once I was pleased to have it sub-30lbs despite coil Lyriks, now it’s up over 32lbs somewhere, with sturdier wheels, a bit more tyre, a longer drop seatpost and such. Just makes it that much more dependable. But it’s still weightweenied, because I’ve taken it as light as I can without making changes I don’t want to make.