So I bought a Defender PT3

That’s quite a list , thanks for shareing what’s turned out to be horid time.
As was mentioned a few pages ago is it worth contacting any of the consumer programmes as he’s taken a few of you for a ride

The main thing at the moment is to get the word out that he is now trading as Land Rover restorations and on eBay. Get him out of business until other things happen. Don’t want him sweet talking others into believing he is a reputable Land Rover restoration dealer. He can find a nine to five job like any other and fund his lifestyle. 29 years old, what a legacy !!!

That’s only the VOSA list Iv’e got another load had done from a Land Rover mechanic. Engine fault etc. No split pin in steering etc. I will post it another time.

What key words are best for Google to pick up this thread that Landrover restorations are bent dodgy and a rip off ?

Bespoke defenders Ryan Stott brings this thread up at the top.

Ryan Stott was totally unrepentant at the creditors meeting, I asked him as the chairman / director of a business in difficulty how he managed to go to Florida for two weeks. His reply was if his partner chooses to take him away that was up to her. Now I am sure that it was my money that was used but he missed the point entirely, He should have been working his a** off to get things back on track. If he is running Land Rover restorations LTD or Rossindale Agricultural Services it’s all going to be a sorry mess again. Legalised theft is what it is I am £8000 pounds down and have no defender. Steer clear of Ryan Stott.

Not defending the guy at all here – but those panel gaps are pretty standard for a Defender at the best of times. The plastic spats are held on with crap plastic rivets. Wet roof lining is pretty standard for a Defender with a sunroof – most of them leak.
Engine sounds okay for a 300tdi – they are all noisy. I presume its a 300tdi as it has the earlier style rear door (the plastic cover is missing from around the lock) and hence why the central locking doesnt work – they never had them fitted to this style door. If its a TD5 then its the wrong rear door. It also has a 300tdi grille panel (albeit with TD5 light surrounds) hence why I think its a 300tdi.

Have a look on the V5 – you possibly have a 90hardtop (commercial) with windows fitted to it – it should have the plastic interior window surrounds if its a genuine CSW/SW.

Vin plate miss printed no vin no on galvanized chassis

Galv chassis wont have the Vin number stamped on them from either Richards or Marslands.
The usual thing to do is to cut up the old chassis and keep the Vin number part for future reference if needed.

edited to add – just watched your engine youtube vid – its a late model 300TDI with a badly painted bulkhead. I couldn’t see the bracket for the air cleaner/air box-its usually held in place with the cylinder head bolts, if its not there it might be a Discovery engine with the Defender airbox and inlet hose.- check the engine number.

Got to agree with RustyNissanPrairie; whilst there’s no way of ever part with £13 grand for an old defender, the entire video pretty much documents an… old defender. Nothing in the least bit alarming about any of it, except the price, and possibly your expectations of the polishing of the turd when actually it was only ever going to get rolled in glitter. All the faults, both on the video and the VOSA list, are pretty standard stuff for a 90. (Although the windscreen wiper gearbox is a pain in the arse).

Bespoke defenders Ryan Stott brings this thread up at the top.

That is because you use Singletrack – Google weighs search results, putting a higher weighting on those sites that you use most.

Shows up when using an incognito window, so assume it’ll show for non-STW users. All the same, have some more keywords.

Name: Ryan John Stott
Date of Birth: July 1987
Age: 28
Nationality: British
Residence: United Kingdom
Address: Bacup
United Kingdom
OL13 9RW
Lancashire

Last updated: 2016-06-13

Director at:

Land Rover Restorations Ltd
Occupation: Mechanics
Appointed: 2016-02-25
Address: Unit 11a New Line Industrial Estate
Bacup
UNITED KINGDOM
OL13 9RW
United Kingdom
Incorporation date: 2016-02-25

http://www.checkdirector.co.uk/director/ryan-stott/

RustyNissanPrairie and V8Ninety I think you’ll find you are both wrong in your analysis. Check out this seller of his “old Defenders” being restored. There is no comparison and you can see how the job should/could have been done, In consideration that Stott put’s himself out as a quality “Bespoke” dealer it is quite obvious from what he has done to all of us that he is nothing more than a con man with NO experience what so ever, not forgetting the parts that were paid for and not supplied. As for the central locking where you get your ideas from that they don’t work on defenders is crazy !! My rear door should have had it fitted ( I paid for that also) He put a old door on and there is no key to lock it so the vehicle sits open all the time. You don’t happen to live in Bacup do you ?? The sun roof leaks because no seal has been fitted.

https://www.facebook.com/outlandercustomvehicles/

Here is a link to another group “Defender and series” Scroll down and you will come to a guy Gorcy Seprano. Stott has ruined his vehicle, his sun roof leaks so much that he has had to put a tarpaulin on it overnight !!!! He is a con man financing his own agendas.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/738805982917493/

My second and third video to be posted later.

nothing more than a con man with NO experience what so ever,

I dunno. He seems to have quite a bit of experience in his chosen field.

From that FB link:

This is some photos from my pride and joy Landrover defender 90 I just picked up from bespoke defenders in rosendale. I paid £4600 to get paintwork, alpine Windows, and side sliding Windows.

Do defender owners love paying up front or something?

Defender and Series group.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/738805982917493/

Scroll down to Gorcy Suprano. Excellent bit of experience on his vehicle bongahoohaa !!! I sincerely hope you don’t you ever set up a restoration garage.

Decent people put trust in others, we don’t expect to be ripped off by runts like Stott. The majority of traders are honest, unfortunately we have been caught up with one of the worst. Don’t go passing the blame onto the buyer. Lessons have been learnt. The positive in it is; WE will get Stott the liar and a thief of the radar for good.He won’t be doing this, to anybody else.

I’m very sympathetic, as you’ve obviously been done like a kipper. That Stott character evidently knows how to dress up a turkey and flog it.

I didn’t say it was a ‘restored’ defender (whatever that is) and personally I’d steer clear of anyone who puts the word ‘bespoke’ in their business title, it stands out a mile (along with ‘gourmet’, ‘artisan’ etc) as a fishing ploy to catch gullible people with too much money who want to get a Land Rover as a lifestyle vehicle, but don’t want to do the legwork or hard work themselves. If you want to buy a restored anything, surely you need to view other examples of the blokes work, talk to previous customers, things like that? Your video shows a bog standard 300tdi ninety that has been chucked onto a galv chassis as cheaply as possible, with not a lot of care taken. That said, it’s not ruined, it’s a nice tinkering project for someone who understands landrovers to get stuck into. Probably worth about £5-6k, optimistically.

“As for the central locking where you get your ideas from that they don’t work on defenders is crazy”

Did 300tdis defenders even have central locking from factory ? must be rocking horse poop ive never seen one – maybe real CSWs did?? – were the rear doors not still lift up handles for the majority of the 300s.

id also like to bring to your attention

the land rover offical water ingress manual.

http://www.landroverweb.com/Pdf-files/Manuals/Land_Rover_Defender_Water_Ingress_Manual.pdf

when i went shopping to for a 2-300 tdi with a significant wedge in my pocket (and already owning a 2.5TD ninety) after looking at several – and several “restorers” i kept my money in my pocket and restored my current ninety by hand. What i saw even at the specialists didnt impress me much. Old 90 was still an old 90 even with a new chassis under it. and as above – there didnt seem to have been much care taken.

Mines aint straight either – but it also didnt cost me 5 figures to do so i can deal with it.

Anything properly “restored” will be expensive as it takes alot of time(and new parts) to do it right – you aint gonna get no bargain.

How ever i agree Wool has been **** over with a bent chassis and now no landy …

Bloody Hell! I thought that was going to be a joke link!

it works as well sobriety – i followed it pretty much to the letter when i put my landy together and i stay dry – except when i wade in water so deep it comes in the door shuts 😀

Stott and his “Land Rover restorations”. Restored…to bring back into existence, reestablish the act of restoring; renewal, revival.

Thanks for your concern. I did view other examples of his work, on his website and Facebook and also at his unit before I chose the shell which he was starting to work on and it was in his paint shop.That vehicle was to be put together to my specifications. On the pro invoice he wrote that it would be fully refurbished and new carpet front and back also listed were my extras, extras which I never received. Central locking on rear door, pedal lock and silver steps. I checked for bad reviews and nothing showed up at that time. I spoke with him for well over an hour and he showed me work he had (allegedly) done on several vehicles including his own. He’s a con man and a liar and he is the one in the wrong here. What’s happened to all of us has happened, what we are doing now is just getting him off the radar and hopefully, out of business.

Stott put the vehicle out to a garage Auto Electrical Serviced Halifax. Been in business for 40 years. He delivered it to them with no bonnet or back door attached. He instructed them not to put central locking on the back door ( well it wasn’t there to do it) I had paid for it to be put on. The two side doors have central locking now and work perfectly. The only decent bit of work that has been done on it.

As for the central locking where you get your ideas from that they don’t work on defenders is crazy !! My rear door should have had it fitted ( I paid for that also) He put a old door on and there is no key to lock it so the vehicle sits open all the time. You don’t happen to live in Bacup do you ?? The sun roof leaks because no seal has been fitted.

Factory fitted central locking was fitted to TD5 XS models and onwards. TDI’s never had it unless aftermarket.

I live in the Rossendale Valley and I’m involved in the Landrover world, I’ve commented in this and other LR threads on STW and PM’ed/messaged people regarding buying LR’s from suppliers in the valley.

I renovate LR’s (and other stuff) in my spare time. The level I work to is financially unviable as a business as I go far beyond what other people do ‘renovation’ wise.

It is impossible to do it properly and make money.

As I said above – you and others have been ripped off by this guy, and its the one thing I hate about Defenders – the crime wave that almost certainly follows them.

….It is impossible to do it properly and make money.

Most DEFINITELY wrong there RustyNissanPrairie

I posted this link above. Have a look at this guys vehicles and the price. STUNNING!!! and very very reasonable. This is where I had originally thought of going it was just the distance that put me off and then Stott somehow showed up on my search. Biggest mistake of my life.
https://www.facebook.com/outlandercustomvehicles/

sorry that facebook page shows nothing.

fancy paintwork hides alot of sins – and thats ALL he shows on that page.

im sure they are great underneath too but a facebook page shows nothing.

Utter rubbish !!!Talking bollocks there lad. Take it you didn’t look at the work inside the vehicle’s either. Talking of paint work I’ll post the video of Stott’s “fancy paintwork” on mine.Do you happen to live in Bacup too ?

mot365 – I think what the lads are trying to reason with you is that a brand new Defender was never really that good other than as a tool for a job. It didnt have any frills that were that good etc etc.

If it was used for the purpose it was intended for then parts would wear out. The vast majority of them were therefore rattle boxes and not really that suited to lifestyle vehicles which is what people like yourself seem to expect. So you have a rattle box that people like stott gloss over the rough bits, bolt on a few bits of bling and sell to people like yourself.

To do the job properly either takes some skilled person like some of the forum members on here with any amount of time and money to work methodically through the vehicle imrpoving as they go and working in known fixes to existing problems. Or it takes a garage mega bucks to do. I work in the commercial motor trade and there is no way any of these projects would be commercially viable if you introduce labour hours into them to do the work properly.

There will be different levels of end product (I didnt want to say polishing a turd) but i would be very surpised if, within your kind of budget you were getting anything more than a fresh paintjob and a load of bolt on goodies.

No i dont far from it. How ever i agree with rnp when it comes to renovating a land rover propperly rather than tarting it up and rolling it in glitter .

Can you just remind me who bought a land rover off photos previously and has had issues .

I see no photos of the underside anywhere on his facebook .

I couldnt give two hoots what the inside looks like.

When viewing a land rover i take a hammer to check the important parts.

Way to kick a man when he’s down.
How many more posts before we start defending this Stott fella?
Got to love this place…. Or not. 😐

Im not going to defend stott. He sold a vehicle with a bent chassis and then stole it.

However some people are not suited to land rover owner ship.

Oh and if someone repeatedly tells you your are wrong for having an opinion well stone me if I don’t call em like I see em.

Ivr seen photos of rnp’s work and mark90 and I think v8ninetys work …… and I’ll stand for them all before I stand for a few glossy photos of the top side and interior of a land rover.

More bollocks

Can you just remind me who bought a land rover off photos previously and has had issues .

T you clearly don’t know shit.

You know, besides actually carrying out similar work, knowing how long it took, knowing how much you spent and how much labour rates are and having looked at plenty of Landys beforehand. But you clearly know nothing.

MOT – you’re fast losing sympathy and you’re making yourself look very silly. By your own admission you know nothing, you were sold a pig in a poke and what you need to do is learn from it and hopefully get some sort of settlement. What you don’t need to do is start lashing out at those who are clearly better informed in these matters than yourself. Even a dedicated restorer has turned round and told you it’s commercially unviable to get the level of service you expected with reasons flying in fast why this is the case. Deal with it and stop being a prick about it.

Way to kick a man when he’s down.
How many more posts before we start defending this Stott fella?
Got to love this place…. Or not.

mot356 seems to be kicking himself and no-one is defending Ryan Stott.

You cant comment with answers like that when you don’t know all the story. It happened to six and more of of us we can’t all be wrong. Iv’e been driving Land Rovers for over 40 years probably long before you were born.

Utter rubbish !!!Talking bollocks there lad. Take it you didn’t look at the work inside the vehicle’s either. Talking of paint work I’ll post the video of Stott’s “fancy paintwork” on mine.Do you happen to live in Bacup too ?

Regarding Outlanders stock – I see an early TDCI with a rusting crossmember thats been painted over, the photo’s also dont show if its had the sump replaced, if the gearbox is okay (as early TDCI had a lot of ‘box issues) or if the £1500 fuel pump is on its way out taking the injectors with it. No idea how many miles are on it either, interior has had a bit of wear.

Also painting Defenders built up is shite – they have to be stripped to individual panels and painted on a stillage like they do in the factory otherwise you end up with non matching collar & cuffs and painted over bolt heads. Like I said they cant be done properly in a commercially viable manner.

Its also a million miles away from what you originally wanted in a Defender which is a simple mechanically fuelled 300TDI hardtop then modded to look like a station wagon with central locking added. The ones listed by Outlander are mainly TDCI’s – you do know the difference dont you?

Looks nice and shiny though and the ‘Heritage’ one looks nice with the Nakatenenga grill.

I’ve said it all along – Scott Ryan is a thief pure and simple, but some people make it easy for him.

How to do Defenders properly, and commercially.

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http://eastcoastrover.com/NAS116.html

http://eastcoastrover.com/148.html

I’ve said it all along – Scott Ryan is a thief pure and simple, but some people make it easy for him.

Ryan Stott.

Scott Ryan is an Australian politician.

…so probably drives a Holden.

If you want some decent defenders contact North Yorks Fire and Rescue as we’re in the process of replacing ours. Not much use and plenty of services.

I’ll be glad to see the back of the god awful things.

I wanted a land rover, but having asked on here and others that have owned them I bought a land cruiser instead.
😉

Fully expected to be under the bonnet every weekend with mine, fully aware of all the quirks of landrover ownership but I am not accepting one with a bent chassis especially as Ryan Stott tried to palm me off with it, he clearly knew it was no good and thought he could get away with it which it looks like he has in a round about way.

Good grief – collectively prod someone to death for updates on their story of misfortune, then patronise, mock and insult them when they do.

Great work.