- rootsandrain photos, who buys them?
Me, occasionally. But I develop and own the site, so I guess I’m biased…
TBH photographers are always happy to let me have my shots for free, but I still buy them sometimes to make the point that I think it’s a Really Fvcking Good Shot and they deserve to shut up and take my money 😀
I know this thread is young, but nice to see so many positive responses.
The site has come under fire a bit for large numbers of poor-quality photos from some of the younger/lesser photographers that upload.
Rest assured, I am on the case. In the last couple of days I’ve been learning about and implementing machine learning computer vision algorithms to help me notify the photographers when the site thinks their papping is a bit… pap.
Cheers all,Posted 6 days agosmashitMember
I largely agree Andy, a photo might be technically terrible, but if it catches “that moment” where you had your race-ruining crash, or sent the drop for the only time all weekend… then it can have some value.
But more and more photographers are signing up, taking huge burst shots (I have a plan for this as well…) of poorly-exposed out-of-focus photos, and it’s starting to take its toll. Not on the servers (30TB and counting*), but on the purchaser. No-one REALLY wants to have to go through 85 photos after an event, especially if there’s only really 16 “separate” shots, and the others are all just rubbish bursts.
So I’m tackling it two-fold. Persuading photographers to prune their upload rather than “card dumping”, and combining burst photos into animated thumbnails <click to expand burst> etc etc.
Hopefully one or the other of these enhancements will see the light of day by the end of the month!
* at some point I need to admit to myself that keeping 4 million photos going back a decade is RIDICULOUS when 95%+ of sales are for photos less than a month old… but I’m a hoarder.Posted 6 days agoNorthwindSubscriber
I’ve bought a few. Used to be, less photos was better because it was so damn nearly impossible to find yourself in people’s event photos but RnR makes it simple as long as they’ve tagged right. At least one of the pics I’ve bought was actually pretty amateurish but it caught the moment which is just as important.Posted 6 days agoGolfChickMember
Yeah I’ve bought some in the past but not all of them. Tend to look through and pick the best. A few were rubbish from Ard Rock but some are up on my wall and are fab. It’s rare to get a photo of me riding as I’m too busy riding and so are the people with me so it makes a nice change.Posted 6 days agotomlevellMember
I’ve bought some but don’t do relevant events much.
While @downhiller is here can I suggest that the way results are shown is changed. It seems a shame that the women (who tend to be only say 10 to 20 riders are put right at the bottom and you have to scroll past everyone to get to the results. The other way round would barely register for the men.Posted 6 days ago
Or at least put Elite women at the top above or below Elite men as befits their status?deadkennySubscriber
Sometimes. I tend to go for the cheaper ones and / or those that do bulk discounts, unless it’s a one off really good one.
Not that pictures of my riding is anything to look at but as said, no one else takes them.
Though the best photo I’ve got is also the same shot of another thousand people at Ard Rock, same photographer and location 😄.
Very rare shots show I actually have weels off the ground so they’re worth something to me. Though they always come out with me looking down, not ahead.
And yeah, wading through burst shots to find one that’s good is a pain. Take one shot per rider or burst and pick one. Though it’s more effort when shooting a big event.Posted 6 days ago
While @downhiller is here can I suggest that the way results are shown is changed. It seems a shame that the women (who tend to be only say 10 to 20 riders are put right at the bottom and you have to scroll past everyone to get to the results. The other way round would barely register for the men.
Or at least put Elite women at the top above or below Elite men as befits their status?
It kinda seems obvious to me that more men race, so more men are looking at results, and more people are interested in the men’s results, so put them at the top.
To put the women’s at the top feels like positive discrimination to me.
And to mix them in is—I think—a mistake as it means it becomes faffy to compare (say) senior women to elite women.
I think the best option would be to have a setting so users can choose which comes first, M or F. Dead simple to implement as well, I’m surprised I’ve not thought of it before.
Yay/nay?Posted 6 days agotomlevellMember
Nothing wrong with a bit of positive discrimination to the minority. If you are looking for yourself you go in by name but for me anyway if I’m looking for National or WC results for example I’m generally looking for Elite men and women but finding the women is a multi button press. Press ctrl/end then scroll up for a bit in national events. They just seem to get lost in the mass of results.Posted 6 days agomick_rSubscriber
Downhiller – your hoarding of old photos is actually quite useful. All the family race, and I finally got round to a catch up for a photo book at Christmas. RnR made it really easy to scroll back 3 or 4 years so we now have a permanent record of the kid’s progress.
The lap time data also lets us track them getting ever faster whilst we are in slow decline….. 🙂
Keep up the good work – in just a few years it has become quite a powerful database.Posted 6 days ago
@downhiller I totally agree its a pain to see a lot of burst photos that havent been checked properly before being uploaded to the site which dont feature the rider or are WAAAY out of focus.
I upload my card into my computer and skim through the photos first before uploading to the site but keep multiple photos of the same bursts because its always subjective as to what of the 3 or 4 photos i took of the rider are going to be there favorite. Like i say im just new to this game so I will make an extra effort to make sure I only upload what i would buy.Posted 6 days agobutcherMember
No reason not to buy them if you like the photos, and I think photos are nice to have, so that you can grow old and grey and look back. Your kids can look back. Your grandchildren… Photos are great.
If price is an issue, just try to remember that these photographers spend thousands on kit and you might have half a dozen at any one event. Then all the images have to be processed and tagged. All the work that goes into the site. Etc. It’s a few quid at the end of the day. You could get a couple of pints instead but you’ll probably just regret them in the morning.Posted 6 days agostumpy120Subscriber
@downhiller if you’re taking suggestions it would be great to be able to select a limit amount of riders in a race to compare their times directly.
i.e. click on all my mates in a race and just be able to see their times rather than having to scroll up and down to compare
Love Roots and Rain btw, seriously damages my work productivity on the Monday morning after a racePosted 6 days agoJon TaylorSubscriber
I’ve bought some.
I’ve also taken some at a fairly niche event and uploaded them as a way of sharing them. Some even bought them!
n.b. Much love for R&R from me. Love the combination of results conglomeration and race photos. However watching the margin between the fasted rider and myself increasing as times go in is a bit depressing 😭Posted 6 days agocokieSubscriber
I’d say Roots and Rain is a real sucess and one of the few established sites in cycling that works.
Everyone I know that rides events has been on the site to check photos, results & nemisis’.
Congrats @Downhiller !
Please keep the legacy stuff too. Would be a shame to lose all that history.Posted 5 days ago
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